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BBC Bill Gates Interview

securitas writes "The BBC's Stephen Cole interviews Bill Gates in the first of a two-part interview. In the first half of the interview with the technology show Click Online, Gates discusses his view of the 'digital lifestyle' that Microsoft has been pushing for some time, lately with its Windows Media Center PCs. Sample quote: 'People don't want lots and lots of single purpose devices.... The PC has more software, more competition, more richness than anything else. So making it simple and rich, that means the PC will be the key device.' Streaming media in Real format is also available. [Video: Broadband | Narrowband]"

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  1. One of these things is not like the other by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The PC has more software, more competition, more richness than anything else...."

    Excuse me, are we sure this is the real Bill Gates?

    1. Re:One of these things is not like the other by Chemisor · · Score: 4, Funny

      > The PC has more software, more competition, more richness than anything else

      But it does! Except for competition, but I am sure he meant "competition between processes for the CPU".

  2. Second Part by Talrias · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. Second part by Richie1984 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The second part of the article is here

    It just seems like more marketing spin to me. Regardless of your view of MS products, security is a major problem and all Gates seems to do here is to calm the fears of the less knowledgable technology users who haven't the in-depth knowledge to worry about these security flaws.

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  4. Single point of failure by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "'People don't want lots and lots of single purpose devices"

    Um, some people do. Having one multi-purpose device running everything means there is a single point of failure. You could build in tons of redundancy on everything (essentially multiple PC's) but then that's not much different (and more expensive) than multple devices to begin with.

  5. People *want* separate devices by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People don't want lots and lots of single purpose devices....

    Then why do people keep using TVs, DVD players, stereos, watches, telephones, ...? Most of these devices are still selling very very well, despite the fact that PCs can do all they do and much more.

    Admitedly, some devices show a lot of feature-convergence, like cellphones or PDA, but people want to keep separate devices, be it because they're less of a pain to set up and use (no boot time, no crashes, dedicated remotes, no windowing environment to detract from the real use) or because people just don't want complex devices with menus, settings and double or triple-function buttons all over the place.

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    1. Re:People *want* separate devices by SunFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why do people keep using TVs, DVD players, stereos, watches, telephones, ...?

      Because any Joe/Jane Public can hook together whatever he/she wants with some RCA cables and it have "good enough" for watching movies and TV. When the VCR chokes (it's mechanical, after all), buy another VCR for $40. When the amp is falling apart (much longer time than the VCR), but a nicer one.

      Perhaps that's a key point: home entertainment doesn't all upgrade at the same time, and upgrading PCs is more difficult and more prone to failure (e.g., "WTF do you mean there is a conflict...why are there two sound cards with warning symbols on them?!? ... why do you keep putting it back, I've removed it three times! ... oh crap, now it doesn't boot ..." ... THUD ... silence)

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    2. Re:People *want* separate devices by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some things should be combined, others shouldn't. For example, I'd quite like my TiVO, TV and satellite decoder to be combined, but I quite like a separate DVD player. My stereo should be separate from both of these. In fact, I want several of those. I'd quite like to play video games on their own TV, but that requires a lot of space, so I'll keep my PS2 near my TV. My telephone I keep in a different room from my TV, and the same goes for my microwave oven.

      But Bill's philosophy is rather outdated. I remember reading someone talking about "convergence" several years ago, and talking about how it was going out of date. He gave an analogy with electric motors.

      When the electric motor was a newish invention, there was an idea that it would be used in a lot of labour saving devices. But motors were expensive, so they thought that people would buy a single motor, and install it into each machine when they needed it. What happened instead was that the price of motors went down, and all the new devices had one permanantly installed.

      A similar situation has happened with computers. Most applications don't need the power of a Pentium 4 or the complexity of a desktop OS. Embedded software and a slower processor is more than enough for most applications, and can be bought as separate components. Even a 1MHz CPU can potentially do 1 million operations per second.

    3. Re:People *want* separate devices by ravind · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I hope you live alone or else you'd have fun when one person wants the DVR, another wants to watch a DVD, another wants to listen to an MP3 (with headphones so as to not disturb the movie person) while another wants to play a video game.

      And how do you envision this happening in your multiple device environment? Last time I checked, a DVD player, a DVR and a video-game box, all required a telivision to operate. Why is it ok to buy multiple TVs but not multiple PCs? I currently live alone and have 2 PCs and a laptop. I am neither excessively geeky nor excessively rich. Before this, I was living with room-mates and all of us had our own desktops. It's not so hard to imagine a 1:1 Person to PC ratio. The P does stand for "Personal" after all.

  6. VDR (plus xine plugin) by lkcl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DVB card. apt-get install vdr. shove skype on it if you _really_ want to. job done.

    total cost: £270 plus a monitor of your choice (£200 for the computer, £70 for the terrestrial DVB card).

    £200 if you want a DVB-S satellite card.

    vdr also supports a modified (soon to come out of development) version of xine which allows you to no longer need a hardware MPEG decoder on the DVB card.

  7. PC roxx by News+for+nerds · · Score: 5, Funny

    >'People don't want lots and lots of single purpose
    >devices.... The PC has more software, more
    >competition, more richness than anything else. So
    >making it simple and rich, that means the PC will be the key device.'

    So we can forget Xbox 2, right.

    1. Re:PC roxx by natrius · · Score: 2, Informative

      So we can forget Xbox 2, right.

      Either that, or the Xbox 2 will be a PC, or at least a "Media Center", which is what most of the features being touted amount to. Doesn't seem so far-fetched.

  8. Single purpose devices = stability. by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Gates doesn't appear to get is that my "single-purpose device" called a VCR works accurately and precisely like a VCR every time that I attempt to use it. Same thing for my DVD player. Same thing for my TV. Turning all these things into a multi-function device running on Microsoft Windows wouldn't be my idea of an ideal future.

    Especially once the adware/spyware starts to appear on my kid's DVD player. "Daddy, there's boobies on the TV and they want me to click on them."

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    1. Re:Single purpose devices = stability. by greechneb · · Score: 2, Funny

      well, when you have billions of dollars already in on this, of course he's going to say its what people want. Why wouldn't he?

      Heck, he probably already has 10 of these in his own house. And if he has a problem, he just yells at the developers to fix it now ;)

  9. Famous quote... by spiritraveller · · Score: 2, Funny
    "People don't want lots and lots of single purpose devices...."

    In ten years, we will probably be using that quote the way we use the "640k of ram ought to be enough for anyone" quote.

  10. dedicated is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have a Onkyo CD carousel which plays MP3 CDs. It is simple to use. It sounds great. I have a simple remote control. I could have hooked up a PC to my stereo, but why bother. The Onkyo does what I want without any complications.

    Gates is wrong on this one. A well designed dedicated device beats the multi-purpose device when it comes to regular every day use. You don't see an auto mechanic with only an adjustable crescent wrench in his tool kit. He'd be laughed out of the shop.

  11. iPod! by praetis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People don't want lots and lots of single purpose devices. They do not want to have to learn how to set up something for photos, another thing for music, another thing for video.

    I can relate. It was a real pain to learn how to set up my iPod. I mean, gosh, had to crawl behind my computer and plug in this little white cable!

    But it was worth all that trouble. I sure am glad that this is not a single purpose device. I mean, my friends and I all use it to keep our contact info, calendars, and to keep entertained in class with its nifty little built-in pong game. I think that having all of these daily use features in a single device is my favorite part about it!

    No, seriously though, I think the success of the iPod is evidence that Gates is totally wrong here.

  12. Multi Purpose by Gonoff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Right now, this PC is running Firefox, SETI, radio, apache, firewall, anti-virus and email.

    The AV and firewall are because my kids want MS for the games. Them aside, I get this PC to do plenty of different things. Does your PC only do 1 thing then?

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    1. Re:Multi Purpose by Ithika · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, my PC only does bit manipulation. How does yours do all those other things?

    2. Re:Multi Purpose by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Informative

      Very clever. I know most things I want, I don't want them to have more then one purpose. I don't want my console to act as a PVR. I don't want my cell-phone to:
      * Play games
      * Take pictures
      * Allow me to browse online

      I don't want my e-book reader to:
      * Play games
      * Take pictures
      * Play music
      * Play videos
      * Browse online

      I don't want my fridge to have a television built in.

      Yet companies are constantly putting stuff together, in an effort to convince consumers that they're innovative and to upgrade. There are plenty of things people don't want to have the kitchen sink. That was the point of the parent.

    3. Re:Multi Purpose by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Very clever. I know most things I want, I don't want them to have more then one purpose. I don't want my console to act as a PVR. I don't want my cell-phone to:
      * Play games
      * Take pictures
      * Allow me to browse online

      But I -do- want my phone to play games (so I don't have to drag my GB with me) ; I -do- want my phone to take pictures (I can leave my camera at home), and no, I don't mind browsing some sites that I might have to checkup quickly for whatever info that is now within my reach from my mobile.

      Yet companies are constantly putting stuff together, in an effort to convince consumers that they're innovative and to upgrade.

      Well, -you- might not like it ; Does not mean you make up the -whole- targeted demographic.

    4. Re:Multi Purpose by drsquare · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Using your computer to replace all your home's entertainment devices is a difficult task. You need to:

      Spend huge amounts of money on components to put in your computer.

      Hope you can fit them all in one box.

      Hope they're all compatible with your OS, and every OS you need to use on that computer.

      Hope there are no conflicts between devices meaning the whole thing freezes during the climax of the film you're watching.

      Set up all the drivers and software to make them all work together.

      Set up a remote control that can operate all your devices with full functionality.

      Then even if you get it all working, you get to see the whole thing fall apart when one person is watching TV/DVD and another is using the PC, and a PC application crashes the computer. Or when one person uses a program that uses up the whole processor so the DVD playback stutters.

      There are huge benefits to devices being independent of each other rather than fighting for space on the same computer. Just because Bill Gates says something is a good idea doesn't mean it is.

    5. Re:Multi Purpose by tricorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't mind single devices that do lots of different things - the problem is that it is difficult enough to find single devices that do ONE thing well without compromising. The likelihood of finding a device that does multiple things well without compromising is a good example of "infinitesimal".

      For example, a camera phone with a PDA in it - is the camera any good? Is the PDA one that I can write software for with open tools? Does the phone have adequate sound quality? Is the screen readable? And, in and out and all about, is the user interface any good?

      As convergence continues, the real reason the RMS wanted open source comes to the front: I want the ability to make my devices work the way I want them to. It's hard enough to get good uncompromising hardware, but then I'm stuck with firmware that I can't modify and doesn't do things the way I want to do them.

      I want the wearable computer, with a pair of glasses that project a true 3-D image directly into my eyes, give me good sound (ear buds or bone conduction), use that throat muscle voice pickup trick, have a microphone and video camera pickup, can project a laser keyboard on any surface, have a wireless connection (e.g. Bluetooth) to data gloves, printers, etc. Cell phone should then simply be an external radio transceiver (to keep the higher powered radio transmissions away from my head), and would simply be a connection to The Network. I interact with it using my choice of free or proprietary software, or write my own if I'm so inclined. The networking protocols are ubiquitous, both for the long-range and short range communications.

      Until that's available, I'll stick with a separate camera, PDA, cell phone, MP3 player, GPS, watch, calculator. Or, rather, I'll stick with my watch and calculator, I don't have any of those other things. And I'm not so happy with the calculator (not since HP stopped making RPN calculators).

    6. Re:Multi Purpose by l3v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, -you- might not like it ; Does not mean you make up the -whole- targeted demographic.

      You don't seem to get it. It's about choice. Or - in this case - the lack of it. They push all the crap on people, and you can only choose between a very crap A, a less crap A, a crap A, a good A, or even a better A. There's hardly any B around.

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  13. Nervous? by KontinMonet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounded a nervous interview to me. How many times did he use the word: 'certainly'? It's a word you use if you're trying to convince a skeptic...

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  14. Advantages of owning single-purpose devices by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many moons ago, I thought I would give a combo TV/VCR unit a try. I thought it would be cool to have all the features of my VCR built directly into my TV. And for a year or two, it was great.......

    Then, the VCR stopped working.

    Whereas before I could have simple unplugged the VCR and carted it to a store for servicing, I had to lug the entire damn TV around. In addition, when I did get around to bringing it to a store, the price they quoted me for repairing it was more than the cost of some new, uncoupled VCRs!

    While the Windows Media Center isn't necessarily heavy, the idea is still the same -- having all of these different functions integrated into a single unit present the possibility of a single point of failure. Never mind that the Windows OS is nowhere near as stable as what I would traditionally expect from electronics manufacturers. And when you consider the frequency with which Windows OS's require patching...... it just doesn't make sense.

  15. Great Show! by Milton+Waddams · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't the BBC great??! This show explains complex new technology in simple, easy to grasp language without dumbing it down. It's refreshing to witness good computer journalism since there's such a lack of it. I'll definitely put this in my bookmarks.

    The Bill Gates interview wasn't great. Gates just ducked and dived out of every question and promoted his company all the while. I suppose, what would you expect him to say, "Yeah, you're right. MS does have a really bad history with security and Longhorn is constantly being delayed. We're a crap company, sorry!"?

    The Blue Ray vs. HD-DVD section was much more interesting. It seems like Blue Ray is the better technology but with HD-DVD having a years head start and being much cheaper to produce, it looks like HD-DVD has the upper hand. Only time'll tell I suppose...

  16. Bill Gates interview resumed by Ostie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Interviewer : Are rich are you ?
    Bill Gates: Rich
    Interviewer : You mean very rich ?
    Bill Gates: Yeah, very rich
    Interviewer : You mean very very rich ?
    Bill Gates: Yeah, very very rich
    Interviewer : You mean very very very rich ?
    Bill Gates: Yeah, very very very rich
    Interviewer : Can you give me some money then ?
    Bill Gates : No
    Interviewer : Why not ?
    Bill Gates : Because I want your money

    1. Re:Bill Gates interview resumed by Ostie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Certainly charity is respected and NEEDED from the more wealthy in the country, but when it is done PURELY as a tax write off to hide money and refrain from paying your share,then it is questionable whether it is heartfelt or a good business decision, thus the donor really doesn't warrant too much credit as a humanitarian that is looking out for the less privaledge with a heartfelt act. No sincerity.

    2. Re:Bill Gates interview resumed by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, this doesn't wash with me.

      Of course he is the largest contributer to charity. He is also the richest man on Earth.

      This guy is absolutely *loaded* with money. If a $1000 bill fell off his pocket it wouldn't be worth his time picking it up.

      If he gives away 90% of his multi-billion personal fortune away, this still leaves him with hundreds of millions of dollars under his own name. Most people can only expect to earn at most a couple of these same millions over a life time.

      In other words he doesn't feel the difference. On the contrary giving away money gives hime a sense of achievement, some kind of warm feeling, etc.

      This is great that the guy is giving away some of his money, but he is not doing it for the people he gives the money to. He does it for (a) ego, (b) feeling of accomplishment and (c) warm fuzzy feeling.

      In other words for himself.

      In my eyes it is much more worthy to give away $1000 that one could also use for one's own personal purposes, rather than $1B that one wouldn't be able to use anyway. If you are Christian, Jesus said exactly the same thing if you remember.

      What makes me most unhappy about the Bill Gates situation is that I'm forced, through his main accomplishment (Windows almost everywhere) to use his products even when I really don't want to (e.g. at work, etc), thereby contributing directly or indirectly to his wealth.

      I've also been forced to even *buy* his products (with new computers for example), over a period of years, only to never actually use them. Various Microsoft licenses have been bought under my name without my consent at various workplaces supposedly to enable me to work. Only I've never actually used them or indeed needed them.

      Essentially this guy is taking money that I've earned to give to his ideas of charity for his own ends, and this is simply not a kind of thought that I enjoy.

      Allow me not to applaud.

    3. Re:Bill Gates interview resumed by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      here's an even better Bill Gates interview. We could rephrase it thusly:

      Bill Gates: "I love the smart communist government because they work people like slaves for little money or benefits; that would make me *really* rich. Let's do like they do"

  17. Diversion on the competition issue by InterStellaArtois · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Did anyone notice that when the BBC asked whether MS is being anti-competitive, with the Department of Justice case, Bill answered in terms of the PC Industry?

    Bill says the case was ironic, because 'The idea of low cost computing, letting people have a choice of the very best PC, making sure the prices are constantly coming down ...'.

    Yeah, but what about Software?

    1. Re:Diversion on the competition issue by Vhata · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did anyone notice that when the BBC asked whether MS is being anti-competitive, with the Department of Justice case, Bill answered in terms of the PC Industry?

      First, he avoided the question twice - nit-picking about the court cases and the dates. It's actually quite blatant (and amusing) the way he tries his damnedest not to answer the question. Finally, Stephen Cole pretty much says "Goddammit, Bill, didn't you ever THINK about it?"

      Look at his answer. As you say, he talks about the industry, but the actual structure of his sentence doesn't say anything except "The PC industry has done well", followed by "And we founded it based on standards". He uses a lot of buzzwords along the way, though - makes it sound very impressive.

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  18. The biggest problem with a media PC is ... by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that it's a computer.

    I know plenty of people who use computers provided they don't look like computers and they don't know they're computers. They are happy with their games consoles, their digital TV set top boxes, their DVD players and their mobile phones. But if you took them all away and replaced it with a computer that did exactly the same they would look at you in horror.

    Then there are people like me who like their technology to be bleeding edge but invisible. I would much rather have the ability to stream media from my LAN via my set top box, than watch TV on my computer.

  19. Re:For convenience by rokzy · · Score: 4, Informative

    >If I could control the PC from the living room and have the sound card output to the speakers there, then I wouldn't need the stereo.

    if this is what you want, just get a Mac and Airport with Airtunes.

    Microsoft: Yesterday's Mac, Tomorrow

  20. Bill Gates hates the Xbox? by WildBeast · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it me or is he telling people that they shouldn't want an Xbox?
    'People don't want lots and lots of single purpose devices.... The PC has more software, more competition, more richness than anything else. So making it simple and rich, that means the PC will be the key device.'

  21. Yes but by JPriest · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They never ask them very good questions. Almost all the interviews I see are very generalized about things like security and progress of the "PC". I have some better questions:

    We noticed that with the firewall in SP2 and the fewer services default services running on 2k3 server, that Microsoft has finally started to take notice to "the first rule" of computer security. But what was Microsoft thinking when they shipped XP RTM to non technical users with things like RPC and UPnP listening to connections from the internet?

    We know hind site is 20/20, but there were many people who warned MS about the insecurities of XP long before it was shipped, what was the general response at MS to these warnings and would you say that you were "wrong" to ignore the early warnings?

    Why are these services still running but now behind XP SP2's firewall, why not turn them off? Some people believe this is a ploy to add more "bloat" to windows to increase hardware (and by extention windows) sales, what is your response?

    I could come up with about a 100 more, maybe Slashdot should try to get an interview with Bill Gates? :)

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  22. Re:Agree. And his devices comment is as insightful by westlake · · Score: 2
    I personally would rather own a separate camera that does a good job, plus a separate 'phone which is damn near indestructible, plus a separate highly capable PDA than the latest flashy but fragile phone with sucky camera and really cramped PDA features jammed into it

    But, there are others, quite a few, in fact, that don't want to be weighted down with a half-dozen gadgets, when a pocketable, multi-purpose, cell-phone, will do. The PDA in particular seems to be headed for extinction.

  23. Microsoft started the digital music explosion? by nick_davison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And we feel very good about the dialogue we have had for many years with the content industries. How we have struck the right balance there and that is why you see an explosion in digital music.

    Uh... Microsoft and the content industries (RIAA in this case) are responsible for the explosion in digital music?

    Back in my reality, the RIAA were dragged there kicking and screaming while Napster started the illegal method and iTunes started the legal one.

    Microsoft never managed to do anything save follow the competition... Ripping from CD got added to media player only after third party MP3 ripping software became popular. Even then, Microsoft initially crippled it with DRM and no one was interested. They finally removed compulsory DRM when they realised no one was using thier product because of it, due to there being dozens of more free options out there. Then Microsoft added CD burning - and even there used an already well established third party. They created an online music store to follow iTunes. Finally there were the portable players - where a bunch of not very useable solutions came out, then Apple created its [over priced but very damn cool so we payed it anyway] iPod - and Microsoft followed up by releasing its standard a while later.

    During all of this time, the RIAA tried to bury its head in the sand and hope that suing twelve year old girls and grandmothers would make it go away. When that didn't work, they tried the most restrictive methods they could come up with, fighting the hardware and software industries every time they suggested giving people something free enough that it might be used over the less legal competition. Eventually, when provided with no other option, they accepted iTunes but only at prices where most 15 or 16 track albums were more expensive than buying the hard copy and ripping it yourself.

    So, forgive me for not seeing, in my universe, quite how Microsoft and the content industry created that explosion. At best, Microsoft chased the explosion while the content industry were dragged there fighting every step of the way.

    It's somewhat like a construction firm turning up to the tsunami hit areas and talking about how they worked with the locals to really start an explosion in land clearance and new construction.

  24. In many ways - he's right! by Tryfen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Please - read a little before modding me to oblivion :-)

    I don't want lots of single purpose devices - but, and here's the kicker, I don't want fully fledged convergent devices either.

    I want my mobile phone to be a brilliant phone - but I also expect it to be a good enough web browser to read Slashdot. I don't want it to run flash / Javascript etc - but I want it to function well.

    I want my amp to decode AC3, DTS and Pro-Logic - I don't want to be able to play Pong on it.

    Xbox Media Center plays my DVDs, DivX and Oggs just fine - I've no need for it to tune my car's engine.

    Do you see what I'm getting at? Appropriate convergence is a great thing. Appropriate convergence where the device is good in all its intended roles is bloody brilliant!

    T

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  25. Gates says security is priority by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Funny


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