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Gaël Duval on Mandrake, GNU/Linux in 2005

Posted by timothy on from the look-out-it's-manbat dept.

uninet writes "To catch up on what's new since our last full interview, Mandrakesoft co-founder Gaël Duval recently agreed to talk with me about where the company is heading and other interesting IT current events, such as the Linux Core Consortium and Apple's Mac mini. You can read the new interview on OFB.biz."

49 comments

  1. FP? by vettemph · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    First post an hour after the article was posted?
    c'mon guys, what's up with that?

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    1. Re:FP? by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Maybe everyone is busy redownloading the third stream of updates in 3 days to fix the fact that they broke the KDE RPMs when they released them the first time.

      They have a pretty polished distro that is easy for the average n00b to install, but they have fscked up a couple of times, with the KDE updates and also clamav (updated 3 times in as many days because the upgrades broke more than they fixed).

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    2. Re:FP? by loddington · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most people dont have the distro news turned on by default. You would suprised how much of slashdot you miss using the standard slashdot filters.

      As for Firefox and thunderbird you can get them from mandrakeclub.

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    3. Re:FP? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Can't help it. Mandrake is like a dying distro. It reminds me of RIP Turbolinux. Sure the company can fill the big void left by the lousy Redhat fedora.

    4. Re:FP? by paulatz · · Score: 1

      The problem is that urpmi is a good rpm manager but it is not 100% moron proof. Furthermore it does not include a "dist-upgrade" feature wich can prevent a user eho want to upgrade his installation from doing some stupid errors. I think that more efforts should be spended in improving apt and apt4rpm (which is already fully functional for Fedora and SuSE) instead of creating (a bit) lower quality tool such as urpmi and Yum.

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    5. Re:FP? by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      It's not URPMI that's the problem. Urpmi does a pretty good job at the end of the day. It manages the repositories of files and downloads what it needs to fix dependencies.

      The problem with the latest batch of upgrades was kdebase was broken and kbebase-nsplugins was renamed as a part of the upgrade. On top of that, the nsplugins package depended on itself, so you couldn't install it with urpmi unless it was already installed...

      And there was a problem with clamav (I don't use it so i didn't read the advisory in detail) where Mandrake broke it in the upgrade and it stopped working. It could probably have been averted with testing.

      I have been using Mandrake for years, and I find it to be pretty good in most cases. It's just they're letting their guard down when testing their updates for compatibility.

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    6. Re:FP? by vettemph · · Score: 1

      Is that a US centric view? We all know that RH is the top US brand but Mandrake has been the TOP World brand for a very long time. Have a look at distrowatch.com. See the page ranking half way down on the left column. Look at all the data span options. Mandrake has loads of packages and if you attach to the PLF repository you'll get all the packages that mandrake doesn't include for image/legal reasons. (P2P, stronger encryption, special DVD tools...)

      PS Ubuntu has taken #1 in the last month by a small margin. give it a few weeks to see if this is a fad.
      Also, I tend to be US centric myself since I live here.

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    7. Re:FP? by vettemph · · Score: 1

      >>left column
      Make that the right column, sorry. :)
      (ambidextrous, I always get them mixed up.)

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    8. Re:FP? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Are u kidding me. You are using a website page hit as a metric to see if anyone uses mandrake. They could have downloaded it anywhere. There is no way to really measure whether some kid's bedroom secondary PC is running mandrake or redhat.

    9. Re:FP? by vettemph · · Score: 1

      Fine. But I'm curious:

      1) What marketing segment and region were you refering to.

      2) What are your references?

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    10. Re:FP? by opkool · · Score: 1

      Actualy, both Thunderbird and Mozilla-Firefox are available for free from the "contrib" media, available on all free (as in beer) mirrors.

      No ned to join MandrakeClub to get those packages. Although it is nice to be part of MAndrakeClub

      Peace.

  2. cracking on the mac mini... heh by bach37 · · Score: 1

    GD: [snip] Now the question is: what's the cost of the Mac Mini without MacOS?
    Seriously, this is Apple traditional (and excellent) marketing and communication.

    1. Re:cracking on the mac mini... heh by SpottedKuh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gaël Duval makes the somewhat "interesting" assumption that everyone who buys a desktop computer wants to run Linux on it:

      OFB: Is [the Mac Mini] a threat to GNU/Linux on the desktop?
      GD: Not really since the Mac Mini is very likely to run Linux.

      I think the question OFB was really asking was: Will the inexpensive Mac Mini cause people to choose OS X as a desktop UNIX solution instead of Linux. And while Linux is a fine desktop solution, the simple truth is that if people are willing to spend over $2000 to buy a Powerbook for the sole sake of running OS X, they're probably willing to spend under $500 to have an OS X desktop too.

  3. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    Holly shmolly, what a quote:

    One thing we cannot have in Mandrake, is patent violations. I look at Mozilla Firefox project and right away see blatant violation of patent 6,848,075. This will not be tolerated. Firefox cronies can take their shady software elsewhere, Mandrake will stay clean of IP violations.
  4. Mod Parent DOWN by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

    I actually read TFA, and nothing even resembling this quote appears in it.

    The parent is simply trolling.

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    1. Re:Mod Parent DOWN by bcmm · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      No, mod Funny.
      RTF patent. It is owned by IBM and covers changing visited hyperlink purple.

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  5. What does Mandrake do that RedHat doesn't? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1
    RedHat/Fedora, Debian, SuSE, and Slackware are the most well known distros. And Mandrake? Most distros are ripoffs of the first 4. Mandrake is RedHat based. Gentoo is one of the few of the relatively new distros that is really different. Knoppix, too, is more than "just a Debian ripoff". I'm not criticizing them for copying. Just that what's the advantage of using a RedHat based distro when you can just use RedHat? Easy to think of one disadvantage-- you have to switch or live with obsolescence if the obscure distro you're using isn't being updated anymore.

    Never having used Mandrake, all I know about it is it's supposed to be friendlier than RedHat. Someone tell me if Mandrake has a point beyond that? Gentoo and Knoppix do. Does Mandrake?

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    1. Re:What does Mandrake do that RedHat doesn't? by rmm4pi8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      1) The config tools are better than Redhat's--nice for new users.

      2) Equal support for KDE and Gnome.

      3) [And this is the real winner] the urpmi tools for automated package management. The repositories are newer than debian-stable without being bleeding edge, and for packages not included (rare given the size of the repositories!) you can use it to stuff in rpm's you've found on your own, and still check and download their dependencies manually. Works pretty well flawlessly, and it's this command line program, not the pretty stuff, keeping me on Mandrake.

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    2. Re:What does Mandrake do that RedHat doesn't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Till Kamppeter is a Mandrake employee and he also runs www.linuxprinting.org:

      http://www.linuxprinting.org/till/

      While the two are not related, you can expect Mandrake having one of the strongest support for exotic printers, and better desktop publishing related integration for that matter.

    3. Re:What does Mandrake do that RedHat doesn't? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I do not know about Mandrake but I can tell you that Fedora Core3 does not work on the Intel 810 graphics chip out of the box.
      Does Mandrake have a point? Yes it is a choice and choice is good. Mandrake has a very good installer.
      BTW Suse 9.2 works great with the 810.

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    4. Re:What does Mandrake do that RedHat doesn't? by opkool · · Score: 1

      Mandrake works with i810 chipsets noproblem.

      In fact, HP sells in the US PCs with i810 and Mandrake pre-installed.

      Not bad...

  6. Mandrake is for n00bs by renata.org · · Score: 1

    C'mon guys... Mandrake is a very nice distro for totally n00bs who like cute stuff. It's a nice replacement for Teletub... I mean, Windows XP desktops. My mother would love it! I'd love it also if it included a wallpaper featuring Gaël naked, but as it does not, I love my Gentoo.

    1. Re:Mandrake is for n00bs by rmm4pi8 · · Score: 1

      Is this to imply that Gentoo includes a wallpaper of Gael naked? Do tell! On a more serious note, Mandrake is more than eye-candy, as I explain above.

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    2. Re:Mandrake is for n00bs by haakoneide · · Score: 1

      Mandrake is for nobody. It has all the disadvantages of WinXP (slow, unstable) without any of the advantages. People say it's easy to use, but Knoppix is way easier both to use and install thanks to the automatic hardware detection.

    3. Re:Mandrake is for n00bs by renata.org · · Score: 1

      I knew someone was going to ask that. I'll leave the mistery in the air: does Gentoo secretly includes a naked Gael wallpaper?
      (but having a Gael wallpaper would certainly make Mandrake even more eye-candy)

    4. Re:Mandrake is for n00bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope it does not include a naked Daniel Robbins wp instead.

  7. Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

    "RedHat/Fedora, Debian, SuSE, and Slackware are the most well known distros."

    No :

    SuSe dont exist anymore it whas bankrupt got bought by IBM who sold it to Novell last year.
    Somehow I feel it as not sinked in many peoples mind ( you do have a mind right ) ... Succesfull company dont get bought and resold ...

    Slackware is one of the oldest distribution but its not used that much anymore. Its the oldest commercial distribution and is also a commercial failure.

    Debian is a big project , there not that well known outside of GNU/Linux. Commercialy , dont make me laugh.

    Red Hat/Fedora is the broken promise of a 3.2 billion company who rided both the GNU/Linux wave and the Internet and dot.com bubble. And who dont feel like doing the job its got so much money for. ( its sad to see that Dell whas started with 50 million )

    "And Mandrake?"

    Yes the #1 distribution at the moment it can do what all the others do and can do some more.

    "Most distros are ripoffs of the first 4."

    You show right there to not understand at all how open source and GNU/Linux work , beside what as RH/Fed , Deb , Slack contributed to KDE beside nothing ? anything to GNU/Linux on the desktop ? No ... etc ... There desktop is supposed to be Gnome , we see more improvment coming from everybody else then from Red hat.

    "Mandrake is RedHat based."

    No , Mandrake is based of the source of Red Hat wich are Gnu/Linux , but its not based of Red Hat. Never whas never will.

    "Gentoo is one of the few of the relatively new distros that is really different."

    Gentoo is a piece of shit from a group of Leechers wich is not even supported by its own user thats why Daniel Robbins add to leave the project with 20k of debts ...

    - It as no installer like Debian ( thats not different)
    - It as no real Gui based tool ( thats not different )
    - There user dont support the distribution , millions of download and some people are doing the work and paying for it ( thats not different ),etc ...

    "Knoppix, too, is more than "just a Debian ripoff". "

    Yes its a Mandrake ripp off , the detetction tools are from Mandrake ... and lot of other software included , KDE come to mind. But hey you dont know anything about everything keep it up ... ( I whas midly cynical in including some truth on the last paragraph Gnu/Linux is great for this everyone can use the source and improve a software. )

    "I'm not criticizing them for copying"

    You would have to know the subject to criticize ... your just fudding and repeating the same lies over and over ... Copying mean , taking from the others , its the other who are playing catch up to Mandrake ...

    " Just that what's the advantage of using a RedHat based distro when you can just use RedHat?"

    How come you falsely claim its Red Hat based , when Red Hat dont even Include what Mandrake as ?

    Why would you whant to use the inferior product not even supported by a 3.2 billion company , when you can use the superior distribution shipped and supported by MandrakeSoft ?

    "Easy to think of one disadvantage-- "

    Easy to fabricate a really stupid lie you mean ...

    "you have to switch or live with obsolescence if the obscure distro you're using isn't being updated anymore. "

    1) Its Gnu/Linux ...
    2) Its Open Source ...
    3) Its Red Hat who is obscure in there strategy and who do stop supporting there products ...

    "Never having used Mandrake"

    Thank you , at least one truth ...

    "all I know about "

    Is that you know nothing ...

    "all I know about it is it's supposed to be friendlier than RedHat. "

    - Run faster

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    1. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1
      Suse went bankrupt? Are you on drugs? They were bought by Novell (much like Ximian) and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller. Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9, please check www.novell.com/oes .

      What you lack in facts you certainly make up in conviction.

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    2. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      "Suse went bankrupt?"

      Yes got bought by IBM , thats why IBM kept 10% of it when it sold it to Novell ... Its all public knowledge do your research ...

      "Are you on drugs?"

      No , I dont smoke (tobaco ) either and I only drink socially about 4 time a year ... and I have a 100% health , for now , I dont need any drugs of any kind. But your certainly on something ...

      "They were bought by Novell "

      Yes from IBM ... who got fed up to invest money in them after they owned it.

      "much like Ximian"

      No , Ximian whas not owned by anyone else but its owners ...

      "and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller."

      Not really its not even in the top 50 best server sold ...

      "Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9"

      Netware supported SuSe long before SLES9 , Novell even supported Caldera ( Ray Noorda is the founder of Caldera ( SCO today ) he is a former Novell CEO. You dont know much about anything ...

      "please check www.novell.com/oes ."

      why ? its a really recent product information from Novell. Its not history of SuSe from its beginning to its end , or in my case living it ...

      What I know in fact and History and having actually lived tru it , can demolish your FUD and bulshit in 2 seconds.

      SUSE Linux was originally based of [[Jurix]] [[Linux]] by Florian La Roche ( wich they employed and renumerated for is improvments) of wich they where an official fork; and started shipping In mid-1992 from the S.U.S.E corporation, formely The privately owned S.U.S.E company whas a resaller and service supplier for both The SLS and Slackware distributions wich where distributed on floppy-sets to there mostly Germans clients , Hubert Mantel, Burchard Steinbild, Roland Dyroff and Thomas Fehr where the Founder of S.U.S.E. The decision to use Jurix as base for there distribution are numerous , they add previously tried to integrate many of there fixes they had made for Slackware into the Slackware core wich whas rejected by its maintainer , they add numerous Slackware client wich they where not interested to loose at that time in history.

      S.L.S. [[Softlanding Linux System]] (SLS) was founded by Peter McDonald, which was the first comprehensive distribution to contain elements such as [[X_Window_System|X]] and [[TCP/IP]]. The Slackware distribution (maintained by [[Patrick Volkerding]]) was initially based in large parts on SLS.

      The S.u.S.E corporation was founded in late 1992 as a [[Unix|UNIX]] consulting group, which among other things continued to regularly released software packages that included SLS and [[Slackware]], and printed [[Unix|UNIX]]/[[Linux]] manuals. They released the first original CD version of SuSe in 1994, under the name S.u.S.E Linux 1.0.

      The name "S.u.S.E.", later shortened to just "SuSE", was originally an acronym for the [[German language|German]] phrase "Software- und System-Entwicklung" ("Software and system development"). The company is now simply called SUSE LINUX, and "SUSE" does not officially stand for anything any more.

      SuSe whas among the most technologicaly advanced Gnu/Linux based commercial distribution at the start of the 90's , including closed source technology they add bought from others or add invented and created themself . SuSe until 1997 whas considered a close second among the commercial distribution behind Red Hat in commercial market share, up until 1997 SuSe whas Europe #1 commercial distribution and whas often prized ahead of Red Hat in technological featured base competiton.

      At the end of 1997 The GNU/Linux distribution wich is viewed by many as the one responsible for the destruction and dispariton of SUSE whas Created : Mandrake-Linux. In the following year ensued a Software and ideology Battle wich many see as the most interesting batle of the GNU/Linux era of

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    3. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1
      I don't understand what you are talking about. I own a company - partner of Novell/Suse and I can assure you Suse is not only not bankrupt but is generating a nice income for its partners. You seem to be stuck in 2002, it is 2005 now.

      I don't like discussing business on /. but believe me, Novell's strategy as far as Linux/Suse is concerned is pretty coherent and the fact that they have put SLES9 on equal footing with Netware speaks volumes.

      I am also a paying Mandrakeclub member (gold) for about a year and a half and I have become increasingly amazed at the low quality of their products. At some point, I tried to make my company a partner of Mandrake, let's just say I have never met a more unprofessional reply in my life, and that includes the Redhat robots that spent three months reading my email before answering.

      I don't know what your beef is with Suse but, technologically and marketing-wise they are fighting head to head with Redhat. Spend less time quoting and more time testing their software.

      I hate the fact I sound like a fanboy because I really am not, Suse through the Novell brand is hugely sellable and a great product that runs from laptops to IBM monsters.

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    4. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      I also think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "bankrupt".

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    5. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      "I don't understand what you are talking about. "

      Yes , I know your a clueless idiot ... SuSe the company dont exist anymore as not for a long time too, and come talk to me about the SuSe portfolio in 1 year ... trust me it whont be named suse anymore , Even IBM kept SuSe.com now its a Novell website ...

      "You seem to be stuck in 2002, it is 2005 now."

      Yes , its me who think SuSe still exist when its just a software portfolio inside novell now ...
      You really are on drug ...

      "Novell's strategy as far as Linux/Suse is concerned is pretty coherent and the fact that they have put SLES9 on equal footing with Netware speaks volumes."

      SLES9 Is a server OS netware are networking tools , equal footing ? you definatly know nothing ...

      "I am also a paying Mandrakeclub member (gold) for about a year and a half and I have become increasingly amazed at the low quality of their products."

      And this as to do with your SuSe argument because ? Do you think I value the opinion of a clueless liar on drug ?

      "I don't know what your beef is with Suse but"

      I dont have a beef with dead thing , I have a beef with your lies and cluelessness about suse and its history ...

      SuSe would have love to be the equal of Red Hat they where not thats why IBM bought them and thats why IBM sold them to novell , winning company and product dont change hands for chump change.

      I dont need to quote or test there software I use and sell them everyday ... have been doing so for a realy long time too.

      No , you sound like what you are : A clueless idiot on drug.

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    6. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      "bankrupt"

      Bankrupt is what you call a company wich as no money to continue to operate on its own , because of the accumulated debt they have they cannot borrow from anyone and they have to stop operating.

      http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Diction ary&va=bankrupt

      Main Entry: 1bankrupt
      Pronunciation: 'ba[ng]-(")kr&pt
      Function: noun
      Etymology: modification of Middle French & Old Italian; Middle French banqueroute bankruptcy, from Old Italian bancarotta, from banca bank + rotta broken, from Latin rupta, feminine of ruptus, past participle of rumpere to break -- more at BANK, REAVE
      1 a : a person who has done any of the acts that by law entitle his creditors to have his estate administered for their benefit b : a person judicially declared subject to having his estate administered under the bankrupt laws for the benefit of his creditors c : a person who becomes insolvent
      2 : one who is destitute of a particular thing

      The dictionnary agree with me ...

      SuSe whas bankrupt and its remaining portfolio got bought by IBM ... IBM sold it to novell in 2004.

      - To think you would need a mind ...
      - to misunderstand you would have to understand
      - to know the meaning you would have to know the history
      - to write word you would have to have been educated.

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    7. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      I find your comments offensive, abusive and incoherent. The last thing I need is getting into a fight to prove my knowledge or my business sense with some random guy on slashdot.

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    8. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      I forgot to ask whats the name of your company and the current position you have.

      Whats your real name also ...

      Lets see how really offensive , abusive and incoherent I can be toward you. Lets see if I can sue your for diffamation : calling me a druggy and if you can back up your fact where it count.

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    9. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      Please stop drinking coffee.

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    10. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      I dont drink coffee either , spyros from portugal if thats really you ...

      Cant be too many people that can really claim to be novell partner in portugal and have the name spyros.

      Still asking about your entire real name and the company you work for ...

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    11. Re:Everything ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgive me if I misunderstand, but I believe you called him a clueless druggy idiot.

    12. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      No. Learn to be civilised.

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    13. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


      Yes ... and your point would be ?

      Someone who ask me if I am on drug because he/she as no argument to back his position, I assume is on drug himself , Someone who dont know its fact is clueless , and someone who keep on defending is lies and cant back them up is an idiot in my book.

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    14. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0


      I guess your too coward to back your insult and lies in the real world ...

      Civilised people use there real name ( Moulinneuf is mine ). There not ashame of who they are and what they are saying.

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    15. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1
      Ashamed of what? I gave my opinion and you replied with insults. The last thing I'm going to do is give my real name to some random slashdot guy with an obvious persecution complex. I am sorry your experience at suse ten years was horrible but that does not change the fact that NOW they offer a very credible solution.

      Read the thread again and tell me what were the "insults" and "lies". Re-read your own messages and feel free to apologise for your tone. Otherwise this "conversation" is over.

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    16. Re:Everything ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see. I think the problem is you don't understand sarcasm or, to put it mildly, English.

    17. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      Off course asking if someone is on drug is sarcasm , you must be inteligent enough to see the difference between sarcasm and an insult ( that whas sarcasm ... )

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    18. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      Using your real name , because your ashame of who you are and of your parents and of your ancestors , also giving the name of your comapany so that I can verify that your actually a novell partner as you (lied ) said in your own reply ...

      Exactly you gave your false opinions after I add given facts and you wrongly tought I would be polite in responding to your insults.

      Your the one with a persecution complex , your the one hidding like a coward who you are.

      What does offering a credible solution as to do with profitability ? And who are you to qualify it as a credible solution ?

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      Let see

      "Suse went bankrupt?"

      cluelessness is not an excuse for your incompetence.

      " Are you on drugs? "

      Thats an insult ...

      "They were bought by Novell (much like Ximian)"

      Thats false and a lie

      "and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller. "

      Thats false and a lie

      "Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9,"

      Thats false and a lie due to cluelessness.

      " please check www.novell.com/oes ."

      Thats a recent product information it does not in anyway , shape or form explain the history of suse and why they got bought.

      "What you lack in facts you certainly make up in conviction."

      Thats a lie and an insult.

      go read some fact :

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137931&thres ho ld=-1&commentsort=0&tid=147&mode=thread&pid=115422 56#11543489

      Actually as I said your a clueless drugy idiot and I stand by my words.

      This whas not a conversation. I am glad your finally giving up on your stupid lies and insult.

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    19. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1
      If you want to enter a flame war I suggest you master English.

      I don't have any reason to hide, nor do I have reason to "clear my name and my ancestor's name" - btw, my name is clear from my email addy but whatever. The name of my company is Adelie, site at www.adelie.pt, but then again you'll find some other psychotic reason to scream about the wrongs people have done you.

      I also cannot see how you can argue that SLES is a huge seller for me since I am selling it and you are not, guess we'll take your word for it. Suse WERE bought by Novell, maybe you object but they did. "What you lack in facts you certainly make up in conviction" is not a lie, it is an observation and certainly much more civilised in tone than your ramblings

      You are knew here, you have written something like 10 messages and already have bad karma. This should give you a pretty good pointer on whether your style is correct for informal conversation or not. As far as I am concerned you have no reason to react as you do, you are the one insulting, not me.

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    20. Re:Everything ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot, and yes you do not understand sarcasm... The guy is being calm throughout the conversation yet you come across as an ignorant, offensive yokel who speaks English as his third language. I bet the Suse people were glad to see the last of your incompetence. You probably shine shoes for a living now,

    21. Re:Everything ... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1
      OH MY GOD!!!! Getting bankrupt is a legal process that leads to administration and liquidation of assets. A company covering another company's debts is NOT bancruptcy.

      It is obviously a lost cause "conversing" with you.

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    22. Re:Everything ... by Moulinneuf · · Score: 0

      Yes , I replied to Anonymous coward , its more a mistake then idioty because I whas proven in the past that sometime ( not in this case ) intelligent people can use anonymosity to reply to me. English is actually my second Language , I never worked ( got paid to work for/by SuSe) for SuSe , never claimed I did either , contributed some for them yes , sold there product , yes again , you have a problem with reading your native language , I guess, You seem to have a problem with honest and truthfull people there is nothing wrong with shining shoe for a living , I personnaly dont do it , but if a man choose this means to feed himslef or his familly I will not like you mock him for it.

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