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IBM To Demo OpenPower 710 At SCALE 3x
An anonymous reader writes "IBM will demo their PPC based servers including their new OpenServer 710 at SCALE 3x this week. In addition they have their i5/520 running Power Linux, Intel Linux, AIX, i5/OS (OS/400), and Windows all simultaneously. SCALE will be held this weekend in Los Angeles at the LA Convention Center. Speakers include Kevin Foreman (Real Networks), Jon Hall (Linux International), Larry McVoy (CEO BitMover), Marc Hamilton (Sun) & 30 other sessions. In addtion to the talks there will be over 40 exhibitors including IBM & Novell. If you're in LA drop by on 2/12-2/13. There will also be a dinner and GPG Key Signing party. (For a free exhibit hall pass register with the promo code "FREE" or a discounted full access pass with "NEWSP".")
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My distribution of choice is Gread Up Yoda Linux 1.0.
Also,
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you guys like pastries?
Isn't OpenServer a name for one of SCO's versions of UNIX? Not that this really helps SCO in the grand scheme of things, but I find it surprising that IBM's lawyers let them release a product with that name.
What so special about that. I can do it with my 3 year old pc?
Go PPC, go! ;)
One step more towards the x86 scum extinction (I hope).
I think they should use the distributed.net client for benchamarking. maybe they can take a few decades off of the RC5-72 challenge, or finish up OGR. :)
Pretty Pictures!
They offer "The Sims for Linux" as a prize. It is, in fact, The Sims for Windows and WineX, as The Sims has not been ported to Linux. As usual, Linux gaming is just a Windows portability layer. Lame.
1)What hawt chix are gonna CosPlay Jobs and Torvalds? 2)Where is the all night Lan Party? Cons=the win!
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Marc Hamilton (Sun)
I guess Luke is Sun's only hope?
how many linuxes does it run?
the door. Just reading those sentences made my head hurt. :(
a beowulf cluster of linuxes, all of them running on the same machine.
Register before Feb 6th for a chance to win a copy of "The Sims" for Linux
Now you tell me! You twat.
I called IBM a while ago and checked their minimum price for an openpower server. 30 grand.
To make it worthwhile, they should really bring the costs down to something like the xSeries 206 ($500) for PPC servers to compete using Linux. An openpower server running SuSE with SCSI disks and POWER3 or POWER4 processor and a gig of ram for around $1000 will sell and overtake both x86 and sparc platforms. But 30grand will not sell. Thats more expensive than the minimum pSeries server with AIX 5.3
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Does it run Longhorn?
The anonymous reader doesn't bother to state where that info came from. I would assume to be a member of the group putting on the expo/convention.
Are they running it under emulations or is there once again a PPC version of windows?
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Kevin Foreman (Real Networks) :)
*cough*spyware*cough*. Was sitting in a booth at the Cyclops (bar in Seattle) behind a table of a bunch of Real Networks fools. It was fun to listen to what they were saying and figure out how it related to spyware
Jon Hall (Linux International)
Don't know him. He's not on my list..
Larry McVoy (CEO BitMover)
If you've ever read anything this guy has written he comes across as being just about the biggest ass in the world. Add that to the fact that he personally threatened to sue me (some old time slashdotters might remember reading about this in a previous bitkeeper story), he comes out pretty high on the list. And don't forget the "don't piss off Larry" license on BitKeeper.
Marc Hamilton (Sun)
Between their constant going back and forth between preteneding to be fans of Free/Open Source Software and their not-so-useful-but-sounds-good patent releases and indirectly bankrolling SCO, I really don't want to talk to anyone at Sun or listen to anything they have to say.
I just really can't see why these people were picked to talk somewhere where they are supposed to be supporting Linux.
To run Intel Linux / Windows on i5 (ex AS400/iseries) you need to purpose either card with intel cpu/memory (like blade) or special kit which can be used to connect i5 box to the intel (xseries) server. The main benefit of running intel apps on i5 is single-level storage. :)
Anyway it is a great box - i'm happy having one near my desk for two weeks. It is black, heavy, and rather quiet (for server)
Kevin Foreman (Real Networks)
I've heard about this guy. First he bores you with a really long intro, talks to you about stuff you've already told him you're not interested in and frequently takes over the conversation. Then, when you think you've finally got rid of him, he pops up every so often to tell you he's still there.
st46nant. As Linux
He's just A New Hope.
put the what in the where?
surVeys show that
It was all clear to me. Maybe you should reconsider your industry.
Jon Hall is actually a cool guy. He did all sorts of good stuff involving Digital with Alpha Linux.
I do concur about the spyware creeps at Real and the empty-headed propaganda spouters at Sun.
Sadly, it costs $40 plus shipping on ebay, but it'll come down soon.
Not relevant, but highly amusing. And yes, I know the C1 has archetechtural advantages over the Zire 21 (parrelelism, floating point...). It'll happen to the OpenPower servers too.
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Maybe there's someone else they were trying to please, instead of you.
was at th3 csame
I went to one of those Key swapping parties once, great night - highly reccomend it.
By none other than a power5. x86-64bit will never displace the high end cpu architectures because they do not scale.
Jon "maddog" Hall was one of the first supporters of linux way back in the early 90's. If I remember correctly he was the one who donated a DEC Alpha(I think he worked for DEC) for Linux's first port. I may be wrong...
I just read this entire thing at -1, and there hasn't been one post that indicates anyone has even seen an OpenPower box. We purchased an OpenPower 720 box a few months ago. 2x 1.65 GHz procs, 4 GB RAM, 2 73 GB drives, 6 146 GB drives for about $22,000. We run SLES 9 on it, and use it for ITSM. I chose it opver and x86 box for one reason: I/O, which is pretty much where all big-iron architectures trounce x86. There have definitely been growing pains, though. I had to work with SUSE on a fix for installation onto an IBM RAID array. Also, I cannot utilize all of the disk space that was purchased. Both of those issues are results of IBM controllers requiring you to format a drive with 522 byte sectors. The results are workable and perform well, but not quite the "certified" solution I was expecting. Anyways, my 2 cents. I still think I made a good choice, considering management wouldn't go for a PSeries/AIX box.
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=335
Athlon FX-55 - 2.6GHz.
I would say thats faster than a G5. AMD and IBM have been sharing alot of processor technology lately, its not suprising that there processors run about the same speed. more info
Jon Hall is one of the guys responsible for geting Linus his first alpha. He heads up Linux International, hes done a ton for the OSS community. Anyways, theres are 30 other talks on everything from becoming a kernel developer to SAMBA 4 to a talk by the EFF.
One of the really fascinating features of this server is that uses IBM DLAR (Dynamic logical partitioning). This means that new instances of any of the supported OS's can be instantiated or removed as needed.
Remember these aren't Power970..
These are NOT the Apple G5's proccessors.
These are POWER 5 proccessors and they have transistor counts that would make your head spin. Much larger and more powerfull then any AMD64 setup.
These IBM OpenPower machines are MUCH more powerfull then a Opteron, or a Apple g5.
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They are NOT Power970 proccessors used in Apple machines, these are POWER 5 proccessors used in Unix big Iron. Opterons aren't even in the same catagory.
They get spanked by quite a large margin in Opteron vs POWER. Comparing a Opteron vs a POWER 5 is like comparing a Intel Xscale proccessor vs a Pentium 4 "Extreme".
The transistor counts are astronomical in the POWER vs Opteron for one thing.
See here:
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=65
Notice how the low-end Power 5 proccessor dominates the top of the line Opteron in all catagories.
In Specfp2000 you have a single proccessor vs single proccessor. A 1.65ghz Power5 gets 2138 PEAK score while the 2.2ghz Opteron gets 1691
In the 4 proccessor setup a 1.9ghz Power5 proccessor scores double in floating point performance then what is possible with 4 2.4ghz Opterons.
Plus the Power 5 proccessor scales up to 32 in standard configuration, while the Opteron is limited to 4 cpus.
There is no comparision between the proccessors. The Power5 dominates every single catagory.
Including heat, power requirements, and expense.
However if you notice that the prices for Opteron Sun Solaris hardware falls with in the range of pricing for IBM's OpenPower servers.
Seems like IBM is going to use dirt cheap prices for Power to run Sun's opteron setup out of town.
Also, unfortunately for Sun.. higher end POWER setups dominate their nicest Sparc machines, also.
For those readers not in the know, Sun Microsystems developed their own PCI device of a completely sufficient x86 computer. The earliest model IIRC is a AMD K6-2 based cadillac-length adaptor with audio dsp, VGA, 100BaseTX, IDE, RS232C, and RS422; the last model IIRC was Pentium3/Celeron based with the expected features as anyone would think to receive. To my comprehension, it could be standalone when not installed in a PCI slot on a SPARC architecture. Aside from SPARC, Apple developed a similar methodology. Yet despite all the hardware dependancies, everyone wants a fast cross-architecture interface to a large base of applications on another software platform. For PowerPC, there is not much hope for having a natively-compiled WINE run-time on a GNU Linux/PowerPC environment. Wine can be compiled and its API partially usable on PowerPC, despite being pre-dominantly an x86 question. Wine hasn't ventured into Alpha architecture lair, though to conclude with a performing course few venture onto for x86 Win32 applications in Wine on non-x86 architectured environments; the sole remedy is to download a pre-compiled x86 binary package of Wine in a package format that you are comfortable with prepareing to host with possible hostility to the local linux Distribution, download the great Qemu virtualization software, and follow the instructions to running a x86 win32 application within a x86 qemu virtualization process of x86 Wine on a non-x86 architecture with feasible acceleration.
Qemu is not necessarily an emulator, but a virtualization process that interprets machine code in real time and dynamically translates it to correspond with the software platform of the hosting architecture; x86 to PowerPC or Sparc or Alpha, interchangable and not necessarily limited to x86 yet Wine needs x86 to present any value. Qemu is painful to setup because for each environment it needs its own chroot foundation on the local filesystem an those things can hurt the simple people that just want the end-result; perhaps a GUI can help, but nay!
without prejudice
Do IBM know that OpenServer is an SCO Product? :-)
http://www.sco.com/products/openserver507/
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No shit!
2 CPU cores per module, 6MB? L1 cache and 36MB L2 cache per core, all on one P3 sized module.
John