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GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 Screenshot Demo

linuxbeta writes "GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 has just been released. There is a nice screenshot demo here. Also known as 2.9.90, GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. It is packed full of tasty GNOME goodness. This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.10 release in March. Like the good old days of Linux kernel development, GNOME uses odd minor version numbers to indicate development status. Please check the 2.9 start page for more info. - gnomedesktop.org/node/2138"

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  1. What about Nautilus by jm91509 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A screen shot in there seems to hint that we'll be able disable the annoying feature where nautilus opens new windows for each directory you select instead of the real estate saving tree view.

    Anyone know if 2.10 can have a tree view for directory hierarcies?

    1. Re:What about Nautilus by sewagemaster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Anyone know if 2.10 can have a tree view for directory hierarcies?


      It's not nautilus, but try xfe. It has tree view and is LIGHTENING quick - even faster then Rox file manager. I've been looking for the ultimate file manager on linux desktop and this one might just cut it.
  2. Vectorized graphics by st3v · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope GNOME will take a step ahead and use vector graphics. Then those of us that use large screen resolutions (such as those UXGA laptops) will have nice looking fonts without a magnifying glass. I know it might be easier said than done, but this will push the Linux desktop miles ahead.

  3. Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) by RootsLINUX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Visually I can see no leaps and bounds here, so I'm a little baffled at the purpose of the "screenshot slideshow". Then again, graphics certainly aren't everything. I haven't been reading up on GNOME developments lately but what is "Assistive Technology"? It sounds like something dubious and misleading that Microsoft would promote...

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    1. Re:Wow! It looks, it looks....(exactly the same?) by akulbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm thankful I'm not the only one that has been thinking this for a LONG time.

      In my opinion, Gnome has looked the same since around 2.2 - 2.4. Nothing new, really.

      Call me a naysayer if you will, but I'm not impressed.

  4. Volume Control by espergreen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having used gnome 2.92 in Ubuntu Hoary, I have to say the best new feature is the volume control. The old one had way to much information, the new one is amazing. It's hard to describe, but it's much better than the old one. It may not seem like a big deal. But gnome currently only has a mediocre volume control. In the next release it will have the best volume control I have ever used on any platform.

  5. Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux by mboverload · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Aye. I wish linux was purtyer. I am probably going to get a new mini instead of make a machine with linux on it. OSX with it's security and programs makes it a better option. If you had talked to me 5 years ago, I would be pissing on macs all day. However, Apple has make a great turn-around and the price makes getting a regular machine and putting linux on it unreasonable.

  6. KISS: Ubuntu and Gnome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Congrats to the Gnome and Ubuntu teams. You have taken Linux from depths of desktop mediocrity and confusion and transformed it into something that real people can use to get work done.

  7. Question? by Vectorferret · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a real question (not trolling), does Gnome have a graphical way to edit the menus yet? My primary reason for staying with KDE is I don't want to have to edit them manually.

    1. Re:Question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      applications:// is gone in 2.10

  8. gnomeflexiserver tied in with xscreensaver by Sark666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I tried gnome recently and found out about this cmd to graphically quick user switch a la xp/osx. So one user can log in and leave other(s) still logged in.

    This has some issues but what would give almost complete functionality right now, would be if the screensaver had an option to run gnomeflexiserver.

    The other problem with this though, is if logged in as another user, the other users settings for xscreensaver will kick in after the idle time and bog down the other user(s). I also believe this will take over the 3d functionality of the users card and not allow another user to use it.

    Also, I recently set up my .asoundrc file for software mixing with alsa, and used esd for gnome sounds and piped to alsa. I get sound in pretty much everything simultaneously, nothing holding the soundcard, but if another user uses gdmflexiserver to log in, that user will have no sound.

    Afaik, this is also a bit of a kludge, tying another Xscreen to a vert terminal similar to some users using ctrl alt f8 for the other X session. I'm not sure if there would be a way to tie multiple users to one Xsession, but I would think it would save resources and potentionally avoid sound/video accel getting taken over by just one login.

    I know this is somewhat off topic as I don't believe gdm is being enhanced in the coming future in this regard, but I'd like to know how /. users deal with this with multiple users in the household. Esp wanting to lock out kids from ones login by xscreensaver but not locking them out from theirs.

    Xp and MacX have now had this for ages. The DE's for linux really need to catch up in this regard.

  9. Re:Truth: The State of Desktop Linux by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh really?

    Besides, I thought that personal tastes are just that. Personal.

  10. Re:Difference by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's fine in principle, but in practice it works like reverse Polish notation. It's something you can learn, yes, but it's backwards.

    In English, we "do this to that." That is to say, we apply an action to an object. We don't specify an object and then describe an action. We "open door," we don't "door open."

    The nut is that trying to teach people to think object-then-action is a chore. It's a process that has to be learned.

    A far, far better paradigm is the gestural paradigm. Click, double-click, click-and-drag. For instance, consider drag and drop. Drag and drop is one of the easiest things to learn. We deal with the same basic paradigm every day. In order to put the banana guacamole in the freezer, I pick it up and put it on the shelf. I don't point to the banana guacamole and then point to the freezer and then give a command. In fact, drag-and-drop is so intuitive that people who have a lot of experience with primitive computer systems often have trouble mastering it. It doesn't seem "natural" to them because they've gone out of their way to learn a different syntax.

    Select-then-act has to be learned. Drag-and-drop and other gestural interfaces are far more obvious.

  11. Fonts suck by bonch · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm sorry, but I never agree when people say fonts on Linux look good. For instance, take a look at the "W" characters in those shots. The diagonal lines in that letter are thicker than the others. It also happens in certain digits and special characters. Diagonal lines and curves in general are uneven. People often tell me the fonts in Linux render better than in Windows, and I just look at comparison shots between the two and shake my head at their apparent delusions, especially when comparing to a shot from OS X (probably the best I've seen from any OS...everything is smoothed, and somehow it antialiases very tiny characters without making them appear too thick or too thin).

  12. Everything changes but change itself. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the old days, a release came with release notes, so we knew whether we cared about a release. Maybe GNOME's release notes release is just very hard to use, but I don't see a meaningful list of changes. And I don't mean a ChangeLog, which is meaningful only to developers, people waiting for a specific bugfix, or others involved in the project enough to be upgrading from daily build snapshots.

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  13. It's the fonts, stupid by ortholattice · · Score: 2, Interesting
    OK, I'm going to go off on a limb here with a rant that's probably an unpopular opinion. But what do I hate about virtually all Linux distros (and the current Mac)? It's this fad of antialiased fonts.

    Am I the only one left who prefers clean bit-mapped fonts?

    Sure, the screenshots shown in the article look pretty snappy from a distance, because the fonts are large. But to get a lot of work done you want small, even tiny fonts. That's the whole point of high screen resolution, right?

    Antialiased small fonts look awful. Compare the crisp, clean bitmaps of NeXTSTEP or even Windows to the small blurry fonts in GNUStep or the Mac. With aliasing letters bleed together , the shapes aren't quite right, etc. It gets so tiring to read after a while.

    And if you turn off antialiasing they're barely legible (and sometimes even touch each other - I hate it when letters touch each other!) because no one takes the time to produce correct bitmaps for specific font sizes. (OK, to be honest I haven't seen the Mac with antialiasing turned off.) I don't even care about a zillion different sizes, just give me a couple of fixed sizes, small and smaller, that look right.

    As much as I hate Windows, one thing it has going for it is that the fonts are very clean and legible with antialiasing turned off. I tried the latest Ubuntu for a while, playing with all the font settings available (even LCD subpixel) and in end couldn't stand it because of the fonts. Such a beautiful OS gone to waste because it's unreadable with antialiasing turned off, and I can't stand it turned on. Isn't readability like half the point of a computer in the first place? Or do all people care about anymore is just getting a pretty "printed page" effect from a blurry distance?

    The irony is that font bitmaps are not even copyrightable! Heck, just steal them from NEXTStep! Or even Windows! (The bitmaps, that is.) Why doesn't anyone do this?

    (End rant.)

    1. Re: It's the fonts, stupid by gidds · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Please don't think that everyone dislikes anti-aliased fonts. Personally, I love 'em; I find 'em much easier on my eyes. Non-AA fonts may be 'sharper', but that sharpness is just an artefact of the rasterisation. To me, they look gritty, awkward and uneven; AA fonts are much smoother and easier to read, even at fairly small sizes. (At least, here on OS X.) And they're a more accurate representation of the glyphs.

      As others have said, you can usually disable AA on your fonts; but if you're running at a reasonably high resolution, on a reasonable quality monitor, with a reasonable font renderer, then it's worth giving them a second try.

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  14. Re:What, does it go to 11 ? by prockcore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I didn't think there could be much room left for new invention in volume controls.

    Sure there is.. someone out there needs to invent a volume control that will mute Flash without muting itunes/rhythmbox etc.

  15. Re:Fonts look nice by Admiral+Burrito · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you want to see how a good desktop environment renders text, look no further than Mac OS X.

    Seen it. Not impressed. Many vertical strokes were anti-aliased to be two pixels wide when they should render one wide. It makes the text look blurry. I've seen that on Linux before too, though it's since been fixed (problem with the font hinting?).

    I use Gnome. Looks great on my LCD with sub-pixel anti-aliasing. I suspect the problem with the screenshots is that they use the default fonts (the free Bitstream ones I think). I use the Microsoft fonts, mostly Verdana. Verdana may not be pretty but it's designed for on-screen readability, and renders well.

  16. Animations in GNOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am an avid GNOME user. It is my preferred desktop platform. However, compared to OS X and Windows XP(especially), GNOME's user interface animations leaves me wanting for more.

    Rashly speaking, why does GNOME's user interface animation suck so much? Is it GTK+ that is the culprit, or is Metacity to blame? And when can we expect animations on par, or better, than OS X or Windows XP in GNOME.

    Outside the aforementioned issues, it my opinion that GNOME rocks! Yes, Johnny, I'm a sucker for eye-candy!

  17. no significative change by nazsco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    until gnome and it's programs has a nice keyboard shortcut system. i will stick with windows. Linux sucks when it came with global shortcuts ...probably because IT DON'T HAVE ANY! i like to see my IM alerts flashing in the status bar and then press some key combination when i'm confortable to read them. But with gnome + gaim, i have two options. Let the message pops on the screen when it arrives, no matter if it will cause me trouble depending on who is near my workstation, or i have to use the mouse to click the damn thing. GLOBAL KEYBOARDS SHORTCUT NOW!

    1. Re:no significative change by water-and-sewer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      KDE has had this for ages. You can implement keyboard shortcuts that launch programs, shortcuts for all the windowing operations you can think of, and shortcuts for all the functionality within programs.

      I agree with you that keyboard shortcuts are important. I'm a keyboard person, not a mouse person, and for the moment it's one of the reasons I stick with KDE. From the desktop, I can do the following to send an email message, just using keyboard shortcuts:

      Cntl-M to launch KDE.
      Cntl-N to open a new message
      Cntl-enter to send it (Cntl-Alt-enter) to queue it for sending later.

      Those are all keystrokes I chose myself. Is that what you were looking for?

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