I haven't read through the entire list of (currently 384) comments to see if someone has addressed this, but I have my doubts...
Why isn't anyone considering the fact that Mac users *value* the fact that they don't spend endless hours scanning/rescanning/cleaning their machines from the viruses/spyware/bullshit that affects their PC counterparts?
Yes, Macs are more expensive - up front. If a Mac user doesn't have to spend hundreds of dollars on a consultant to come fix their Windows woes (if the user isn't savvy enough to do it themselves, or places a higher value on their time)... perhaps that is what Mac users more willing to pay the premium price.
I could fix my own issues, as they arose. However, I value the time that I have by not having to be as concerned with the same issues that make Windows such a target.
When you look at the total cost of ownership, and the intervention required for Windows use (in most cases)... I'm of the mind that the price tags are pretty much the same.
Also... I can buy a Mac, and put Windows on it too. I can run both at the same time. LEGALLY (for all you people who want to talk about Hackintosh crap).
Lest you think I'm just another Mac fanboy... I stopped using Windows after a few years of supporting and administering Windows networks. The headaches were many. I don't miss it.
I'm not even going to say Macs are perfect... that's lunacy. However, they have fewer issues than I ever dealt with with Windows.
I just think this aspect gets ignored in discussions like these.
AMEN. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Bennie says it better than I could:
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security - Benjamin Franklin
This is why you have the ability to recompile the kernel, and customize it for your hardware set. You are right, there are many drivers in the kernel.
However, you can recompile the kernel and remove all the other stuff that you don't need.
Yes. It is. Too bad people won't want to take the time to figure that out... and would rather grab on to the sensationalistic crap.
Nothing here, move along...
I'm using 1.0.7 on OS X, and as I commented previous, I think the issues I had are fixed. (at least from what I can tell so far)
I had the same issues as you describe. All my attempts to reproduce the swirling beach ball of death are unsuccessful, thankfully.
I've tried to hammer 1.0.7 and see if I could reproduce the same crashes that happened in 1.0.6 and this issue *seems* to be fixed.
Also, upgraded to (ewww!) Flash Player 8. Seems to be an improvement as well. (I say this because the previous issue usually happened on sites with Flash)
Paranoid? perhaps.
Stupid? I don't think so.
Perhaps some things were lost in communication, with past issues. I'm not sure. I know that the WordPress folks are doing a good job of keeping on top of things.
I'm the new Gentoo maintainer for WordPress, and I personally think that paranoia is an appropriate response. Better that, than be responsible for your userbase getting their boxes hacked.
Why isn't anyone asking the question, "Why are WE not implementing IPv6 already?!"
Why the hell is a COMMUNIST country implementing this technology before we do?!?!
It was a disappointment.
My idea was to try out 9.2 before buying the boxed set... because we're looking at offering it as the Linux solution to our customers.
I'm not sure if the first problem I encountered is a licensing issue, or not... but when I booted the DVD on my desktop box at home, the modules wouldn't load for the Atheros-based wireless card. ath_pci.ko exists on the DVD, but it loads ath_hal.ko as well... which does NOT exist on the DVD. So... it will boot, and look pretty, but no networking is available.
I thought I'd bring the LiveDVD to work and test it out on the ThinkPad laptops. A joke. When the LiveDVD would boot, it would get to the cloop part of the boot, and there were hex strings, scrolling the screen until I got an error message about no more memory being available. So it was of no use to me in either situation I tried it on.
Big disappointment this time around... I wanted to check out the 9.2 boxed set, since one of the things mentioned in the release notes is improved wireless configuration tools. Wireless was the one and only issue I had with previous 8.x and 9.1 versions.
All of this to say that it SUCKS that I can't even try it out.
I'm going to see if I have any better luck with one of the LiveCD versions.
I just installed the e-build that's already in the tree. And told etc-update to automatically update all 200+ config files. >:) (crazy I know, but it works) make sure you read the info on the release notes page, and see what portage tells you at the end of the emerge. There is some useful info there.
The only thing I've seen so far, that I don't like, is a little bit of degradation of quality in the AA of fonts. I'm sure this is just a configuration issue, that I haven't found the answer to yet. But it's definitely usable right now. You will have to unmerge xfree and xft, as they are blocked by "xorg-x11" which is the name of the new e-build.
Cheers, and please share any useful info you might come up with.
I work tech support for an ISP. We are getting a lot of calls from customers that have already been infected. Once this is the case, and you attempt to install the patch, the system will not allow you to shutdown or restart in a normal manner. So the registry writes are not done, in effect not even installing the patch.
The other scenario we have seen is that if you DO get the patch to install, the RPC service is shutdown midway, and kills the install process, and throws the machine into a infinite loop of reboots.
At this point... I'm thankful I run Linux. This just provides one more piece of ammunition for the pro-Linux debate.
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You put it more succinctly than I did, above. Amen.
I haven't read through the entire list of (currently 384) comments to see if someone has addressed this, but I have my doubts... Why isn't anyone considering the fact that Mac users *value* the fact that they don't spend endless hours scanning/rescanning/cleaning their machines from the viruses/spyware/bullshit that affects their PC counterparts? Yes, Macs are more expensive - up front. If a Mac user doesn't have to spend hundreds of dollars on a consultant to come fix their Windows woes (if the user isn't savvy enough to do it themselves, or places a higher value on their time)... perhaps that is what Mac users more willing to pay the premium price. I could fix my own issues, as they arose. However, I value the time that I have by not having to be as concerned with the same issues that make Windows such a target. When you look at the total cost of ownership, and the intervention required for Windows use (in most cases)... I'm of the mind that the price tags are pretty much the same. Also... I can buy a Mac, and put Windows on it too. I can run both at the same time. LEGALLY (for all you people who want to talk about Hackintosh crap). Lest you think I'm just another Mac fanboy... I stopped using Windows after a few years of supporting and administering Windows networks. The headaches were many. I don't miss it. I'm not even going to say Macs are perfect... that's lunacy. However, they have fewer issues than I ever dealt with with Windows. I just think this aspect gets ignored in discussions like these.
Tater - is that you? or are you Tater Tot?
AMEN. Couldn't have said it better myself. Bennie says it better than I could: They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security - Benjamin Franklin
This is why you have the ability to recompile the kernel, and customize it for your hardware set. You are right, there are many drivers in the kernel. However, you can recompile the kernel and remove all the other stuff that you don't need.
Yes. It is. Too bad people won't want to take the time to figure that out... and would rather grab on to the sensationalistic crap. Nothing here, move along...
I'm using 1.0.7 on OS X, and as I commented previous, I think the issues I had are fixed. (at least from what I can tell so far) I had the same issues as you describe. All my attempts to reproduce the swirling beach ball of death are unsuccessful, thankfully.
I've tried to hammer 1.0.7 and see if I could reproduce the same crashes that happened in 1.0.6 and this issue *seems* to be fixed. Also, upgraded to (ewww!) Flash Player 8. Seems to be an improvement as well. (I say this because the previous issue usually happened on sites with Flash)
Paranoid? perhaps. Stupid? I don't think so. Perhaps some things were lost in communication, with past issues. I'm not sure. I know that the WordPress folks are doing a good job of keeping on top of things. I'm the new Gentoo maintainer for WordPress, and I personally think that paranoia is an appropriate response. Better that, than be responsible for your userbase getting their boxes hacked.
I'm thankful I'm not the only one that has been thinking this for a LONG time.
In my opinion, Gnome has looked the same since around 2.2 - 2.4. Nothing new, really.
Call me a naysayer if you will, but I'm not impressed.
I couldn't agree more. Linux and Mac are definitely viable alternatives.
Why isn't anyone asking the question, "Why are WE not implementing IPv6 already?!" Why the hell is a COMMUNIST country implementing this technology before we do?!?!
where is it?? the gzipped binaries are on the mirrors. But where is the actual source code tarball??
It was a disappointment. My idea was to try out 9.2 before buying the boxed set... because we're looking at offering it as the Linux solution to our customers. I'm not sure if the first problem I encountered is a licensing issue, or not... but when I booted the DVD on my desktop box at home, the modules wouldn't load for the Atheros-based wireless card. ath_pci.ko exists on the DVD, but it loads ath_hal.ko as well... which does NOT exist on the DVD. So... it will boot, and look pretty, but no networking is available. I thought I'd bring the LiveDVD to work and test it out on the ThinkPad laptops. A joke. When the LiveDVD would boot, it would get to the cloop part of the boot, and there were hex strings, scrolling the screen until I got an error message about no more memory being available. So it was of no use to me in either situation I tried it on. Big disappointment this time around... I wanted to check out the 9.2 boxed set, since one of the things mentioned in the release notes is improved wireless configuration tools. Wireless was the one and only issue I had with previous 8.x and 9.1 versions. All of this to say that it SUCKS that I can't even try it out. I'm going to see if I have any better luck with one of the LiveCD versions.
This fixed the problem. Once I emerged freetype, all is well. AA fonts are good as new.
I just installed the e-build that's already in the tree. And told etc-update to automatically update all 200+ config files. >:) (crazy I know, but it works) make sure you read the info on the release notes page, and see what portage tells you at the end of the emerge. There is some useful info there.
The only thing I've seen so far, that I don't like, is a little bit of degradation of quality in the AA of fonts. I'm sure this is just a configuration issue, that I haven't found the answer to yet. But it's definitely usable right now. You will have to unmerge xfree and xft, as they are blocked by "xorg-x11" which is the name of the new e-build.
Cheers, and please share any useful info you might come up with.
I work tech support for an ISP. We are getting a lot of calls from customers that have already been infected. Once this is the case, and you attempt to install the patch, the system will not allow you to shutdown or restart in a normal manner. So the registry writes are not done, in effect not even installing the patch. The other scenario we have seen is that if you DO get the patch to install, the RPC service is shutdown midway, and kills the install process, and throws the machine into a infinite loop of reboots. At this point... I'm thankful I run Linux. This just provides one more piece of ammunition for the pro-Linux debate.