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The Birth of Electronic Music

fm6 writes "NPR has a story up about the first musicians to compose electronic music. In 1947, Louis and Bebe Barron received an early tape recorder as a wedding present. About the same time, Louis Barron became interested in Norbert Wiener's book Cybernetics and its thesis of common elements in living and artificial systems. This led the Barrons to create a new kind of music using electronic circuits and painstakingly edited magnetic tapes. The Barrons music was featured in various avant-garde records and movies, and finally reached a mass audience in the Science Fiction classic Forbidden Planet."

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  1. That is not the first time that happens by pulgabm89 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Electronic music has been around for longer than that... we all know that

    1. Re:That is not the first time that happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope, the first electronic music experiment was done by Lev Sergeivitch Termen and his famus Theremin. Rumor says it was Joseph Stalin's favorite instrument. However, you can mainly hear it on Jean Michel Jarre's Oxygene and Pink Floyd's Echoes songs. You can do amazing things with this simple instrument : http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/theremi n/

    2. Re:That is not the first time that happens by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
      Electronic music has been around for longer than that... we all know that

      Just because you consider a sixty-cycle hum a catchy tune makes it music not.

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    3. Re:That is not the first time that happens by abuendia · · Score: 2, Informative

      BIG BULL SH**.
      Electronic music was invented with the Thereminvox or Theremin on 1919.
      Just check Wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin

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    4. Re:That is not the first time that happens by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's not forget "Good Vibrations" by the Beach Boys and every horror movie ever made. There's a great documentary about Theremin.

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    5. Re:That is not the first time that happens by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Just because you consider a sixty-cycle hum a catchy tune makes it music not.

      Yeah, but wait 'til you hear Tiesto's club mix.

    6. Re:That is not the first time that happens by KillerCow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An IBM 7094 sang "Daisy" in 1961. Google.

      And the Theremin was patented in 1929. Wiki.

    7. Re:That is not the first time that happens by alhaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Beach Boys didn't use a theremin. In fact, there's some hilarious footage of Brian Wilson exhibiting how entirely incompetent he is at playing one in that documentary. He makes it abundantly clear that he doesn't know how it works.

      The Beach Boys used an instrument that's referred to variously as a Tannerin, Electro-Theremin, or Slide-Theremin. It's nothing like a Theremin because it requires actual electrical contact to function, where a Theremin doesn't work if you touch it.

      Read about it here:

      http://www.tompolk.com/Tannerin/Tannerin.html

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    8. Re:That is not the first time that happens by Basehart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I interviewed Bob Moog, the man who invented the Moog Synthesizer and currently revitalizing the Theremin, a few years ago. He's the one who really kicked things off IMHO.

      As for the first electronic musical instruments, they go way back to 1874 when Elisha Gray invented the Harmonic Telegraph, and I'm betting the "music" that it produced was ultimately the first Electronic Music.

      There's a concise history here.

  2. JMJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And we all know that Jean Michel Jarre is the father of medern electronic music.

    1. Re:JMJ by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2

      I'd have awarded that title to Kraftwerk. Jean Michel Jarre did some impressive stuff, but it was never mainstream chart music.

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    2. Re:JMJ by Ucklak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More like Walter/Wendy Carlos with Switched on Bach in the 60's
      to be copied by Hans Wurman and Isao Tomita and also a source of inspiration for Jarre, Eno, and other 'Avante Garde' musicians.

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  3. ive always loved digital music.. gogo techno type by Nova1313 · · Score: 2, Funny

    digital music is great. Where would we be without it? Those techno clubs just wouldn't be the same.

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  4. Wot? No Theremin? by igb · · Score: 5, Informative

    The claim that electronic music is all post-war seems a little hard to sustain. Theremin?
    Ondes Martineau?

    ian

  5. Hmm... by ProudClod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Amazon referrer ID is still in that address - somebody's going to become very rich tonight...

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  6. Re:ive always loved digital music.. gogo techno ty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Where would we be without it?


    In the jazz club, down the road :)

  7. I think its heaps older than that... by nmoog · · Score: 4, Informative

    When people first used electronics to make noises they certainly made some fucked up ones (Electronic Musical Instrument 1870 - 1990)

    I bet they'd be pissed to learn that the fruit of their endeavors would be making backing tracks for "pop stars" (though I reckon they'd be stoked about SquarePusher)

  8. the birth of electronic music? not quite by geighaus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Leo Theremin is often cited as a godfather of electronic music. He was responsible for creating for one of the earliest electronic instruments back in 1917.

    You can read about him here

  9. Re:50 years later by mmkkbb · · Score: 4, Informative

    listen a little closer. electronic music is a vast, complex maze of styles.

    here are some names to check out (many of whom will NEVER hit the big time):
    -fabrice lig
    -thomas brinkmann
    -drexciya
    -underground resistance
    -larvae
    -matthew dear
    -ricardo villalobos
    -akufen
    -needle sharing

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  10. Theremin? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am not conversant with theremin's musical literature, but any original compositions for this instrument would predate the composers mentioned in the article by several decades.

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  11. Teleharmonium in 1897. by FFON · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleharmonium

    who fact checks for NPR? someone from CBS?

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  12. Re:Wot? No Theremin? by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was thinking the same thing. The Theramin was invented before 1921.

    People in the Dada movement were creating mechanical music (or rather, un-music and noisy stuff) before 1920. Dada has had a pretty heavy influence on the modern industrial scene...

  13. I just rewatched Forbidden Planet... by the_skywise · · Score: 2, Funny

    I dunno what that was, but it made Philip Glass' music sound like full blown orchestral scores with complex melodies...

  14. Re:Wot? No Theremin? by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't find much information skimming through that link. Are you sure you don't mean the futurists? Luigi Russolo for example.

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  15. Rubbish by GrabtharsHammer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is hardly the first electronic music. That honour goes to some American chaps in the late 1890's, who devised a giant machine that played the Victorian equivalent of lift music. The concept was to pipe this music over wires into restaurants and clubs all over town, to save the venues the cost of maintaining house bands.

    They even had a successful rollout, with mellow, unoffensive tinkelings broadcast citywide. However, the exercise was doomed to failure because it was extremely costly to keep running. Ultimately, it shut down.

    Electronic Musician ran an article on this a few years back. I'd quote you reference but I am currently around 14 hours flight from my home.

  16. electro by Universal+Indicator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All the best electronic music seems to come from Europe.

    Aphex Twin
    Kraftwerk
    Squarepusher
    -Ziq
    The REPHLEX label
    stuff like that :-)

    1. Re:electro by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and all these guys ripped off kraftwerk in the beginning...

      why do you have carl craig on there twice?

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  17. Exactly my reaction! by PaulBu · · Score: 2, Informative

    And do not forget that HP started when Hewlett and Packard built an electronic sound generator for Disney in '39

    Paul B.

  18. It's been around quite a while by k0ft · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some other groups definately worth mentioning that have been around since around the 60's:

    Tangerine Dream
    Kraftwerk
    Isao Tomita
    Vangelis

    1. Re:It's been around quite a while by Threni · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some composers that were around doing this sort of stuff in the 1950's:

      Pierre Boulez
      Karlheinz Stockhausen
      Edgar Varese

  19. Re:50 years later by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Informative

    What are the new movements going on in the electronic music world that the mainstream has yet to become aware of?

    Forget the "Hi NRG European Techno" and the crud they play in movies. The repetative beats got old real quick.

    For electronic music that is different, here are a couple places to check out. These may not be to your taste, but they definately different then your "unS unS unS unS unS unS unS unS WooooooooOOOOOT WoooooooooOOOOOT! 'Smack my Bitch Up!' unS unS unS unS unS unS unS unS":

    Warp Records has released their entire catalog online. I recommend Plaid, Boards of Canada, Squarepusher

    Here a couple nice stations playing a range of electronic music:

    http://www.live365.com/stations/after_party
    http://www.live365.com/stations/mrs_emma_peel
    http://somafm.com/listen/

    Oh, how I miss MusicForHackers!

  20. Criterion Should Release Forbidden Planet on DVD by Nova+Express · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In addition to having a great, spooky score, Forbidden Planet is one of the greatest science fiction films of all time (and far better, to my mind, than The Day The Earth Stood Still and its fascist interstellar-UN robot overlords). Scenes like the attack of the Monster from the ID on the space ship, the interiors of the Krell city, and the climax still hold up today. It's arguably the best science fiction film before 2001, and perhaps the best until Star Wars (Metropolis (or rather, what survives of it), is, IMHO, too heavy-handed in its philosophising.)

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  21. Re:50 years later by mmkkbb · · Score: 3, Informative

    some other stuff (some of it FOR FREE mind you)
    -another mp3 store
    -ANOTHER mp3 store
    -unfound sound, netlabel
    -thinnerism/autoplate, TWO netlabels
    -Archive.org's netlabel page, more techno than you could possibly consume in a lifetime!
    -313 discussion list
    -who is what and who

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  22. Re:50 years later by tidepool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hahaha. Leave it to slashdot to produce people who think they know EVERYTHING that has to do with anything technologically related. Have you ever stepped out of your house and went out? DJ's, like it or not, are still dropping electronic beats in one of HUNDREDS of unique 'styles'. Many of these DJ's then become producers &/or remixers.

    Electronic isn't dead; it never will be. Perhaps you mean that electronic/dance music isn't being pushed into the U.S.public (as much), which would be partially true. But to anyone in 'the scene', this is a godsend.

    Oh, to support this, go look on ebay for some technic 1200's -- They are STILL selling like hotcakes and pulling much impressive prices.

    And I hate to tell you, but not many people who simply listen to ole' fashion' records are going to be purchasing a MANUAL turntable; No, the people who are purchasing these manual turntables want to have direct manipulation.

    Ala hip-hop or electronic. One could argue that both are the same, have you listened to rap/hiphop beats at all these days? Same ole drum machines, plenty of samplers, yadda yadda.

    Electronic is alive & kicking, weather the un-informed public is aware or not.

  23. One of the more original artists by jd · · Score: 2, Informative
    Was Delia Derbyshire, who pioneered much of the early work in the 1960s in Britain. Her creations include the realization of Rob Grainer's infamous da-da-da-dum of Doctor Who, and much of the work on synthesizers in Britain can be credited (or blamed) on her.


    There are numerous fan pages for her, which is truly remarkable for a person who barely got any mention before her death from cancer in her early 60s. Of course, now she's dead and can't enjoy her fame, she's a celebrity. There was even a play written with her as the focus.


    I think it fair to say that electronic music has been born and reborn many times, but has yet to really reach the heights the true visionaries expected of it. Like NASA, electronic music has been mostly promise and far too little creative genius.

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  24. Bull. by alhaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oliver Messiaen recorded 'Oraison" in 1937, 10 years before these guys. It's quite nice, actually.

    They were important and all, but they were hardly the first.

    Heck, Lev Termin patented the Theremin in 1927, when the Barrons were little kids.

    You can find a lot of this stuff on a 3-disc set called "OHM" variously "Early Gurus of Electronic Music" or "History of Electronic Music" but always OHM, afaik.

    Here's a shameless plug for EAR-Rational Music, the guys i bought my copy from. google for 'em.

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  25. John Cage, another pioneer by PlanA · · Score: 2, Informative

    John Cage {1912-1995) was another pioneer of electronic music. Interestingly his estate sued another composer, Mike Batt, claiming that his piece, one minutes silence, infringed on John Cages copyright for 4'33", another totally silent track.

    1. Re:John Cage, another pioneer by PTBarnum · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wonderful. Now even if I don't download anything the RIAA will sue me for violating Cage's copyright on silence.

  26. musique concrete on original instruments by blackhedd · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm still laughing at the Stereo Review cartoon ca. 1975 with a radio announcer introducing a performance of a Stockhausen piece, performed on the original transistors, resistors and capacitors.

  27. Theremin wasn't the first, either. by Kafir · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...the first electronic music experiment was done by Lev Sergeivitch Termen and his famus Theremin.

    Also not true - the link you point to lists electronic instruments going back to 1876, forty years before the theremin. The Telharmonium (1897) was a pretty sophisticated instrument, but it weighed 200 tons, and vacuum-tube amplifiers hadn't been invented yet, so it wasn't very practical.

  28. For those dissing NPR over this... by sixpaw · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...be aware that the linked-to NPR story says nothing about the Barrons being 'the first' or any such nonsense; it only calls them 'pioneers', which seems a fair claim. They do say that Forbidden Planet was the first major motion picture with an all-electronic score, which is a more plausible and defensible claim, but the line about the Barrons being first is strictly the submitter's and not NPR's.

  29. First Completely Electronic Score by PBCliberal · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe the "first" that Louis and Bebe Barron hold is that they composed the first completely electronic film score. The theremin was widely used in film previously, probably most notably in The Lost Weekend, but the biggest sensation Forbidden Planet caused, was on Vine at the AFofM offices. Bebe told us this story several years ago, and its a fascinating chapter in how the unions stifled progress and ultimately won an agreement that exclusively electronic music would be a "one time only" exception. It is wonderful to see her referred to. She was battling cancer when we last saw her about 5 years ago. Looks like she won!

  30. the true origins by sklib · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ishkur's guide to electronic music recently added a funny but informative little section about the history of electronic music.

    The page has samples from dozens of different genres, so if you've ever wondered about the difference between goa and psy-trance, it'll help you figure it out too.

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  31. Re:50 years later by ESSBAND. · · Score: 2, Informative
    Try: http://raster-noton.de/

    http://www.shitkatapult.com/

    http://www.areal-records.com/

    http://www.mego.at/

    http://www.kompakt-net.de/

    etc.,etc.,....

    There's so much good electronic music out there, it's silly to make such a statement. Not all of these labels will necessarily be your cup of tea, but these are the first five or so that popped in to my head without looking on the back of any CD's. Check out some record store sites like:

    http://aquariusrecords.org/

    http://forcedexposure.com/

    or a site like http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/

    for new music releases from several genres. It's all out there for the listening!

  32. Referrer links by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wish. I routinely put referrer links on Slashdot. (Why not, as long as I point to books I've can honestly recommend. I don't stoop to link spam, though.) I tend to generate many hits, but very rarely a purchase. Probably my favorite books are too far off the mainstream.

    I'll probably get a ton of hits this time -- but I can't picture a lot of Slashdotters wanting their own copy of Cybernetics or Forbidden Planet. Most will read the reviews on Amazon, then go to Netflix and/or their public library. If past experience is any judge, I'm more likely to make money from people who follow my links to Amazon, and then decide to pick up a video game while they're there!

    I'll post results on my Slashdot journal in a couple days, in case anybody's interested.

    1. Re:Referrer links by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I know I personally detest when people put referral links in story blurbs because there is no way for me to know that they aren't just posting the story for the sake of trying to make money.

      Now, I realize that this probably wasn't your motive as you claim, but one can never be too sure on the internet. I know if I wanted to do this, right after the story got greenlighted, the first thing I'd do is post about how I probably won't get much money, etc. and try to start a grassroots effort behind it to gain credibility.

      So my point is that if you intend for us to view you and your story with any grain of credibility, you need to strip all financial incentives from the message.

      This is like when we see "industry reports" with "dire warnings about spyware" which happen to come from experts at companies who sell anti-spyware tools as shown by this excellent post in this story from earlier today.

      Any time it is evident that someone posting on here has a financial incentive for us to buy a product they are discussing, or whatever it may be, it immediately sets off alarms in our heads that say "the whole purpose of this spiel is to get us to buy this so they make money". And since I can see you are a long time slashdot user, I'm sure you know the general response around here to that kind of message.

      However, I am a bit annoyed at your statement of how you routinely put referral links on Slashdot, yet you don't think you are link spamming. A bit contradictory eh?

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  33. Not to forget... by Gleepy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The work of Jacob Markowitz at Allen Organ Company in 1939, the first electronic organ. See here for more. I always liked how they were using digital sampled sounds back in 1971.

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  34. First Electronic *MOVIE SCORE* by onetruedabe · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you RTFA (or Hear it on the Radio, as the case may be) you'd know that the NPR piece claimed "Forbidden Planet" as the first FEATURE LENGTH MOVIE to feature an all-electronic score.

    As others have, and will continue to point out, electronic music is as old as electronics itself.

    (Of course, determining what you call "music" is still very subjective...)

  35. Re:50 years later by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "What are the new movements going on in the electronic music world that the mainstream has yet to become aware of?"

    While I am no real expert on electronic music, I WAS in the rave scene for quite some time, and I don't mean as a kandy kid who just went to roll. I went for the music, and I can honestly say you will see some of the most innovative stuff in the rave scene. That is where the underground is.

    Now as for styles, I recommend EVERYBODY check out Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. It gives an EXTREMELY comprehensive look at the different genres that exist, and even for someone as myself who thought I was familiar with them, I still found tons I never heard of. Plus, they give lots of samples of famous/definitive songs for each genre.

    Personally, I think drum and bass is the next type of music that will go mainstream. We're already starting to see it happen as some of the more common beat samples get worked into some pop songs or trance songs, and I've also noticed quite a bit of it in commercials as well. So definitely going to say drum and bass, or possibly 2-step, since its really just R&B and hiphop with the 2-step beat, which will let it gain popularity quickly in the hip-hop scene which in turn seems to be whats affecting the mainstream nowadays.

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  36. Re:Oh come on, it's just ripping off Shakespeare ; by AncientWarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've heard that before, but as far as I can see, it's absolutely bogus. For example, FP has absolutely none of the web of pre-existing relationships (Antonio is the brother of Prospero etc) that are central to the Tempest. Nor does the Tempest have anything like the ancient tragedy of the Krell as a plot device.

    "Forbidden Planet" stands quite well on its own as a story; the music is amazing.

  37. Electronic music history CD's by LonEagle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone who's interested in a sampling from the history of electronic music should check out a CD set called Ohm: The early gurus of electronic music.
    Well worth the price, I think.

    Review here: http://www.classical-music-review.org/reviews/OHM. html

  38. These people have no idea by AnEmbodiedMind · · Score: 3, Informative

    The sibling posts are a bit confused.

    Sure the Theremin from the early 1920's (1919 on) was influential, but it was not the birth of electronic music. Electronic music was around long before the vacuum tube and radio electronics (which were the technologies of the Theremin era).

    In some senses, the real birth of electronic music could be seen as Thomas Edison's invention of the "talking tinfoil device" in 1877 which he called the phonograph.

    If you are talking synthesis for music instruments you could cite Elisha Grey's "musical telegraph" created in 1887. It had a one octave keyboard and was designed to play music directly to peoples homes over the telegraph lines. That is over 30 years before the Theremin, and 60 years before "the Barrons" (RTFA) recieved their first tape recorder!

    I'm sure the Barrons were influential, especially if they were working with Cage, but this wasn't the birth of electronic music. Maybe "the birth of sampling" would have been more appropriate.

    Read "Electronic and Experimental Music" (Thomas B. Holmes) if you want more information.

  39. Re:Kraftwerk by chiph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Y'all might be interested in reading Wolfgang Flur's book on his Kraftwerk years:

    Kraftwerk: I Was a Robot
    ISBN: 1860744176

    Basically, (according to Wolfgang), he never received any royalties from the songs, because he was regarded as an employee of the band, and was on salary. Interestingly, one of the last chapters reveals that much of the Kraftwerk sound was the result of producer Conny Plank (who also worked with Brian Eno on the first Devo album).

    Chip H.

  40. Re:50 years later by teneighty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ishkurs Guide to music is far from definitive - while he identifies a lot of different sub-genres, he spends most of the time pontificating on each subgenre rather than actually informing the reader what exactly defines each genre. His guide is a start - but there's a big need for a resource that clearly defines each genre by a clear set of criteria - things like BPM, what chords are typically used, etc.

  41. Re:50 years later by Briareos · · Score: 2, Informative
    Oh, how I miss MusicForHackers!


    Ah, but it's not dead anymore...

    http://www.intelligentdancemusic.com/

    Look familiar? ;)
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