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Judge in SCO Case Notes Lack of Evidence

In a follow-up to yesterday's story, Allen Zadr writes "Computer Business Online has an article up today entitled 'Judge astonished by SCO's lack of evidence against IBM'. From the article: "Viewed against the backdrop of SCO's plethora of public statements... it is astonishing that SCO has not offered any competent evidence..." This is exactly what Groklaw has been saying all along, and they have commentary on the news as well."

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  1. the real surprise by marika · · Score: 4, Informative

    The real surprise is that their shares are not going down faster. It annoys me.

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  2. Some Implications of Judge Kimball's Ruling by anandpur · · Score: 4, Informative

    Implications/Postmortem report at Groklaw
    Attorney Reactions to the Kimball Order

  3. Re:Here's what sad... by fatboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The ticker symbol is SCOX

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  4. Re:Why do cases procede without evidence? by KiltedKnight · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why is it that civil cases take so much longer than criminal ones? Even the OJ Simpson criminal case finished 16 months after arrest, and people were all up in arms about how long it was dragging on, and yet this case has been going on for two years and it hasn't even go to the court room yet!

    There's a couple of major differences between civil and criminal cases.

    1. Jury size
      • Criminal: 12 + alternates
      • Civil: 6 (8?) + alternates
    2. Evidence requirements
      • Criminal: very stringent; must be clear-cut
      • Civil: not quite as stringent; can have minor doubts; plaintiff only needs a preponderance of evidence
    3. Verdict requirements
      • Criminal: Jury must be unanimous
      • Civil: 2/3 majority of the Jury

    Things carry on longer in civil suits during the trial phase, but don't frequently take as long in the jury deliberations because of the differences in requirements. You can present most anything you think might help your case in the civil court. In the criminal court, if it's irrelevant or has too many doubts, you don't want to bring it forward, because it makes the prosecutor look desperate.

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  5. Re:Why do cases procede without evidence? by Eslyjah · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're confusing your terms. I know you're not a legal geek yourself, so I'm not flaming. Just for educational purposes...

    Why are civil suits allowed to proceed at all without any evidence from the prosecutor?

    Civil suits don't have prosecutors, they have plaintiffs.

    [A]t no point did SCO provide any evidence what so ever of there charges.

    They did not provide evidence for their claims.

    By definition those are not frivolous lawsuits because the people were actually found guilty!

    They would be found liable, not guilty.

    With regard to your rant, no one is proposing to cap damages. The Administration has proposed capping non-economic damages, which is just one type of award. This would mean that if you were injured, and you were forever unable to return to work, you would still be able to claim damages for your salary for the number of years you had left before retirement, plus any medical bills you incurred, plus extra for legal fees. It would just cap awards beyond those economic damages.

    With regard to your original question, I think the sibling has it right--the Judge doesn't want this case to be reopened on appeal.

    Oh yeah, IANALBIAMTO.

  6. Re:Why do cases procede without evidence? by Homology · · Score: 2, Informative
    I have a question for any legal geeks out there. Why are civil suits allowed to proceed at all without any evidence from the prosecutor?

    I'll think that you'll get much better informed answers elsewhere. The major focus of Slashdot is to sell advertisement, and this is very evident in the tabloid style stories. Groklaw.net quite simply wants to inform and have thoughtful threads,

  7. Re:Is simply dropping the case even an option for by dabadab · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, SCO, as a legitimate company, is already dead. My current project is a SCO OpenUnix -> Linux migration for, perhaps, the last major customer of SCO.

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  8. Re:Why do cases procede without evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    SCO is abusing a system which is made to protect the little guy. Sometimes not all of the evidence is available in the begining, and will come out in discovery. The Plaintiff (this includes plaintiff's attorney) has an obligation to perform due diligence, especially in intellectual property cases, to find enough evidence to support a good faith belief of infringement before bringing a suit. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 11 imposes sanctions on those who do not perform this due diligence.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule11.htm

    If SCO cannot show a good faith belief of infringement before filing suit, IBM's next move will be a motion for FRCP Rule 11 Sanctions against SCO and SCO's attorney.

    We don't need "tort" reform, SCO's action isn't even a "tort", we just need courts to enforce FRCP Rule 11 sanctions. Courts have not done so until recently out of fear that "the little guy", with a meager amount of evidence to begin with, would not file suits and stick with it long enough to get to discovery and get the evidence which proves thier case.

  9. Re:In Solidarity With The Rest Of The /. Morons... by Wavicle · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't wait to see how Rob Enderle and Maureen O'Gara and Laura Didio are gonna spin this one in the trade press...

    Read and laugh: http://www.linuxbusinessweek.com/story/48199.htm.

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  10. Re:dupe? by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2, Informative
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  11. You must be new around here by shanen · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, you got replies, but no one seems to have answered your question very directly. The ^H is used to create a kind of visible "Freudian slip", usually as a kind of joke. Usually there is a recognizable word before the string of ^H pseudo-characters, so the idea is that the writer made a mistake, backspaced over it, and finally corrected it with the next word. Of course, the real intent is usually to make a joke by contrasting the "mistaken" word to some more polite or diplomatic expression.

    The replies you got mostly addressed the historical usage, though they don't talk about the really ancient days when you did it yourself. I actually think the first <Backspace> keys may have simply been hardware shortcuts for ^H.

    These days in HTML you should use the strikethrough tag for the same effect, but it doesn't seem to be supported here on /. (per my limited testing).

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  12. Re:timing? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Informative

    He declined IBMs motions for now because he's a professional and he knows how to craft an airtight decision that will be impossible to overturn on appeal. IBM will have further opportunity later, after discovery is complete.

    Also, technically it is too early for summary judgment. That can't happen until after discovery is complete.

    Read this analysis by Marbux over at Groklaw.

    Note to Zonk: If you're going to be an editor, it would be nice if you actually read Slashdot. At least glance through the stories of the past week before you post submissions.

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