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Web-Only Album Wins Grammy

blamanj writes "Jazz artist Maria Schneider won a Grammy last night for her album 'Concert in the Garden.' What makes this unusual, according to CNET, is that she might be the first artist ever to win a Grammy for an album distributed solely on the Web. None of the sales were in record stores, and the album was financed through Artist Share."

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  1. that's nice by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This would be more exciting if anyone at all cared about the grammys.

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    1. Re: that's nice by Reignking · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah, but the significance is that the Grammys are based strictly on sales. Whoever sells the most albums gets a Grammy, period.

      Not according to their web site, where it basically states the the awards are based on a multi-tiered voting process.

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  2. Music Without The Middlemen by fembots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does that mean that Grammy is rewarding talented artists too?

    It'll be interesting if a pop singer pulls a similar stunt for his/her next album, and we'll have a real comparison, and see how (un)important a publisher is in terms of marketing and sales.

    Is publisher still an important factor?

    1. Re:Music Without The Middlemen by bahamat · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It'll be interesting if a pop singer pulls a similar stunt for his/her next album, and we'll have a real comparison, and see how (un)important a publisher is in terms of marketing and sales.

      Unfortunately, most artists aren't able to do anything like this. Case in point Poe (or try the iTunes link) has basically been screwed left and right by Atlantic for the past 5 years. She can't perform any of her own songs until 7 years after her contract expires, and at current, if I understand correctly, she is essentially barred from creating any new music and releasing it without Atlantic's approval.

      Even Prince had to bend over and take it. His contract was so bad he wasn't even able to use his performing name until the contract expired.

      All of this of course just underscores how screwed up the RIAA is.
  3. I think the term is: by tod_miller · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wake up call....

    Dear RIAA,

    PWNED,

    Toddy boy

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    1. Re:I think the term is: by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Funny

      RIAA boardroom transcript

      Exec 1: Oh my god we are toast!

      Exec 2: Why?

      Exec 1: The grammy awarded a non-CD winner last night!

      Exec 2: No problem. We'll just hire more lawyers and sue the grammys.

      Exec 1: Brilliant!

      Exec 2: We just need a lawyer with morals, only buy CDs and doesn't do P2P.

      Exec 1: Ok, we are toast.

  4. See how it works, RIAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See how it works RIAA? people release albums to be LISTENED to, not to be controlled... and when they do they SUCCEED.

    I've downloaded most of Maria's album, and am looking for the final pieces. This is how distribution can and SHOULD work

  5. What ? by JaffaKREE · · Score: 5, Funny

    This can't be right. The RIAA told me in my latest session, where I get hooked up to this machine.... with electrodes and stuff.... it shocks me :( ... that only mass-marketed artists are successes, and that the internet gives you herpes.

    1. Re:What ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      the internet gives you herpes

      I tried to explain that to my wife. She didn't buy it.

  6. Records Cos on borrowed time by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    More to the point, look at the manufactured crap the record companies are spitting out - Maroon 5, retreaded Green Day and a dead Ray Charles.

    Come on, when a dead guy nearly sweeps the awards (regardless of the fact that Ray was talented), truly this an industry running out of options.

    1. Re:Records Cos on borrowed time by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on, when a dead guy nearly sweeps the awards (regardless of the fact that Ray was talented), truly this an industry running out of options.

      But he was still alive when it was recorded, which does make a difference. Otherwise I agree with you.

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    2. Re:Records Cos on borrowed time by wankledot · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You jackass.

      Maroon 5: The fact that they are successful suddenly makes them crap? I forgot, selling records make you suck They put out Songs About Jane in 2002. The fact that it is a really good album is what made it succeed, not some plot by the labels to push "crap." New bands like Maroon 5 disprove your point that the industry is running out of options.

      Green Day: Retreaded? Once again, people like to slam green day as not being punk because they're popular. Nevermind that they continue to put out good songs. Ray Charles: He died less than 9 months ago. The RIAA didn't trot out a corpse to sell records, he recorded (obviously) and released the album before he died.

      Can you even fathom that these people are musicians and not just pawns of the RIAA? They work hard (none harder than Ray) and try to get as many people as they can to hear their art. And then some pissant like you dismisses them as crap because they happen to be popular.

      Your opinions on music are not the only ones that matter (shocking!) The fact you feel like Maroon 5 is crap, Green Day is re-treaded, and Ray Charles' album is a publicity stunt doesn't change the fact that they are all really good artists, and really good albums. But it's your loss for not appreciating them.

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  7. The big question... by gatorflux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How will the RIAA remove her from the public eye? Or will they just make her an offer she can't refuse and bring her to the dark side?

    As a musician, I hope her win is a precedent that will be emulated over and over.

    1. Re:The big question... by homer_ca · · Score: 5, Funny

      "How will the RIAA remove her from the public eye?"

      Two words: Kurt Cobain

      The Josie and the Pussycats movie had a spoof of this where they disappeared the goth-punk girl from the record store.

  8. Does it matter? by GatesGhost · · Score: 5, Funny

    i didnt think the grammy's were about commercial exposure or success, but rather about the quality of music...(checks online) wait, maroon 5 won a grammy? well, fuck that, i was wrong.

  9. To be fair... by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    To be fair, I've heard of Maria Schneider, and I in general have no ear for music (or the next best music great/talent) at all... I know she is well known in the jazz subculture... this is jazz, it thrives in the underground... and Maria Schneider was well-known long before her Grammy-winning record. Oh, and people that admire jazz tend not to care a lick for the RIAA.

    Still, a good sign.

  10. sad thing is by kasek · · Score: 5, Funny

    she will probably have to sell the award on ebay to compensate her webhost for the server that just went down in flames.

  11. Not so much the distribution... by porcupine8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The fact that it was solely distributed on the web really isn't the amazing part - I mean, there are iTunes exclusive tracks all the time. I'm sure it would be easy for a major artist to convince their record company to let them only distribute an album online, and it could get plenty of publicity and possibly a grammy.

    What's really interesting is that the album was made with no involvement of a record company at all.

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  12. Re:Nervous times for RIAA & MPAA... by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time a post like this is made, an RIAA lawyer gets his wings.

    Look, the RIAA doesn't "control" anything. They do the bidding of the big record labels, and take all the heat from people like you so Sony Music and the other actual villains in this story don't have to.

    The last decision which the RIAA made was the standardized design of that little preamp that goes into the "phono" input of most stereos prior to 1998 or so.

    All they do now is serve as a mouthpiece (and lightning rod) for the record labels in their efforts to lock down their IP. Ranting about how eeeeevil the RIAA is simply plays right into the hands of the labels behind it all.

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  13. Music..the other way by pronobozo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For someone that is coming from the bottom up, i can say that time is the key. Without millions of dollars to spend on promotion, independant artists have to find a different way to communicate with the masses.

    Internet is their greatest tool, so with a bit of time and dedication you can reach millions of people from the comforts of your own home.

    I don't think it's about the music industry now, it's about the new uprising of artists taking a step on freely distributed music. The RIAA has their game, but we have ours too.

    Instead of changing them, lets just use our own method.

    that's my .02

    - pronobozo

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  14. Buy Her Music by goldspider · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many of you are going to support her by buying her album?

    If you truly want music to be free (as in speech), put your money where your mouth is for once. The success of such artists depends on the financial backing of people who claim to support independent music.

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  15. Re:Just curious... by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The artist has no label. The album was self-financed, and she managed to recoup her expenses with web sales.

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  16. no, no, no... by ed.han · · Score: 5, Funny

    in AD 2005, war was beginning.

    RIAA chairman: "what happen"
    RIAA flunky: "somebody set us up the bomb!"
    RIAA flunky: "we get signal!"
    RIAA chairman: "what?"
    RIAA flunky: "main screen turn on!"
    RIAA chairman: "it's you!
    schneider: "how are you gentlemen. all your sales are belong to us. you are on the way to obsolescence."
    RIAA chairman: "what you say!"
    maria schneider: "you have no chance to survive. make your time."

    ed

  17. Jazz is a bad test case by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My first thought was: "I wonder how many people who are normally fine with pirating music because they're sticking it to a record company..." (as if the artist isn't a piece of that picture) ..."will, out of inertia, just go ahead and run off with an unpaid-for copy of this woman's work, too." And then I realized that most Jazz fans are a little more cerebral, and have a lot more respect for the artists themselves, and typically would either go see a show, or actually pay for a recording. If her work isn't immediately torrented everywhere, that won't really indicate a sea change in this picture. Stay in the musical neighborhood, but see how it goes with, say, a new Norah Jones collection. Or, just prove that all of the "I only do it because of the RIAA" types are hypocrites by seeing if, just to make the point, Metallica or The Blackeyed Peas would do it. Their work would be immediately ripped off, and we'd have some tangible hypocrisy to point to. And this endless conversation would finally come down to: "I, um, really just don't want to pay for music, actually, you got me."

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  18. The "Social Revolution" Begins by Dana+P'Simer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A few days ago I posted in response to another reader's comments about the "Social Revolution" that is occurring due to P2P software.

    This is precisely the way in which this "revolution" should happen. This artist has choosen to distribute her music only over the internet. Because of her choice many people are able to enjoy her music that might not otherwise. She also has cut out the RIAA member middlemen. We need more artists that are willing to do this.

    Her choice, though, is the key issue here. An artist that does not make a similar choice should not have thier right to make that choice usurped by a bunch of thieves with bittorrent clients.

  19. I remember her from an NPR piece by broohaha · · Score: 4, Informative

    She was mentioned in a 3-part piece on NPR's Morning Edition titled "Paying for Music in the Internet Age".

    She's interviewed in part 1 of the series which was aired on the 15th of September [clip length: 5' 42"]. Odd, though, that clip one is the middle link among the three.

  20. Maria Schneider is a jazz goddess! by hot_wasabi · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a jazz sax player, and have been a big fan of Maria Schneider for several years. She has been creating some of the most sophisticated and musically interesting big band music around since her first album in 1995 (Evanescence, which was also nominated for two Grammys). She has 3 or 4 other albums, and most have received Grammy nominations. She has been regularly winning Down Beat reader & critics polls since 1994. Schneider is the heir apparent to her mentor, the late Gil Evans, who's music includes the famous Miles Davis collaborations Birth of the Cool, Porgy & Bess and Sketches of Spain. Her music is very accessible, though she's explores complex meters, harmonies, textures, and timbres. Her pieces tell a story, and often make reference to visual images. I bought her latest album over the web a few months ago. It was something like $9.99 for 128kbps, $14.99 for 320kbps. It's an excellent album, but I still think that Evanesence is her best effort so far. By all means check out her band live if you ever have the opportunity. She always has some of the best jazz musicians in NYC in her group. Evanescence (amazon.com) Concert in the Garden review (allaboutjazz.com) And, she's a babe! -Hot Wasabi over & out

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  21. Patent pending business model by yelvington · · Score: 4, Informative
    ArtistShare has a patent application that would cover its business model:


    The present invention is directed to a system and method for raising financing and/or revenue by artist for a project, where the project may be a creative work of the artist. The method including registering, by at least one artist, with a centralized database, at least one or more projects, offering, by the at least one artist, an entitlement related to the artist in exchange for capital for the project of the artist. The method and system may also include searching, by an interested party, the centralized database, for the least one artist, registering, by the interested party, with the centralized database and accepting the offer by the interested party for the entitlement related to the project. The capital may then be forwarded to the artist and the entitlement provided to the interested party.