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Kyoto Protocol Comes Into Force
Cally writes "The controversial Kyoto Treaty regulating CO2 emissions finally comes into force today. The BBC has several stories and backgrounders, and notes that international pressure is now mounting on the USA to take action as well, as the scientific consensus is well established. A key question is whether the US economy will benefit relative the rest of the world, with some arguing that new technologies such as clean power generation and energy efficient appliances will provide an economic boost."
Honestly, who cares?!!? Unless of course, America misses out on some way of further extacting surplus value from observing the treaty...
DIDN'T we fight a war so we could ignore europe??
I'm told you are what you eat, does that mean I can be you by tomorrow with some A1?
The US if full of large corporations who just don't care. I see the US politics only slightly bending in the public eye, but really doing nothing. The all mighty dollar - hang on to it even if it kills everyone. - Just my perspective of course.
You are winningly confident in your abilities as an armchair climatologist, not to mention your political science skills are totally unmatched on this planet. Your mother must be so proud she's fit to burst with joy. I would like to subscribe to your informative newsletter.
You're right. You're the sharpest knife in the drawer. You've got it together so well you're a seven-can six-pack. The Kyoto protocol is a bunch of pinko commie leftist partisan hogwash expressly designed to get you into an itchy, brown wool commie skirt and red lip gloss just in time for the community sing of "All Hail Dear Leader", and has nothing to do with a consortium of scientists from all over the globe and countries that span the entire political spectrum.
You're certainly astute, and not glib. Your comments are totally focused and concise, and not sweeping, reactionary generalizations. Every single climate scientist and adherent to the Kyoto protocol is leftist scum. Because there's only right, and wrong, right?
Did you know that there has been a descriptive phrase invented on the internet just for you?
Unrelenting fucktard.
May you, your shithole of a trailer and your even more ignorant cousin/sisterwife get sucked into an F5 tornado, along with that walking mange of a coondog and that pile of wrecked steel and cinderblocks you call a driveway, you nunshitting popefelcher.
Please stop logging in here, lackwit. The chiggers that fall out of your mullet are absolutely disgusting. Your dog smells. You smell worse than a tour-ripe hippy rolling - stoned - in a steamy March meadow full of fresh cowpies. You have no idea how much we've been spending on deadly toxic fumigants to delouse the place after you finally leave.
Better yet - China is a bigger poluter than the US, yet excused from the protocols because it's a developing country (as is India.)
So why should the US participate when llarger poluters than ourselves aren't?
Maybe you need to do something about CO2, but shouldn't EVERYONE need to play? The protocol looks like another UN scheme to redistribute wealth is all to me.
Have you compiled your kernel today??
I'm sorry, but saying that a totalitarian regime like China will follow anyone's example is just silly. The US should either accept or reject the Kyoto protocol based upon its own merits.
and I as a US citizen will vote out any government official that gets on the Kyoto bandwagon. The majority of US citizens will do the same. They don't believe the Junk Science behind the global warming propaganda and neither do I. This treaty is simply an attempt to weaken the US economy.
Which of these ranked sources of greenhouse gasses should be eliminated first? Options are ranked in decreasing order of their contribution of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere:
1) Volcanoes
2) People Breathing
3) Cows
4) Chickens
5) Rice Paddies
6) The USA
7) Cowboyneal's Farts
Does anybody in this forum actually realize that humans produce CO2 by breathing? Or is it just me? I heard yesterday on the BBC that China and India hadn't joined yet, and they are predicted to product the most CO2. So I guess if they want to join Kyoto they need to start killing people, since they are the two largest nations in the world, population wise. I am just kidding on that last part, but really there is no solid evidence about CO2 actually cuasing global warming.
There really isn't any evidence of global warming at all. Because inorder to do a _valid_ study you have to have a control group. (i.e. a pervious full cycle of the earth to measure it against, if I remember my earth science right it's about 23,000 years) So you are telling me we are killing the earth when it has survived molton lava and being iced over?
All this causes me to think of Kyoto as junk science. We should recognize that, history is full of people who say the sky is falling. That is where we get chicken little from - the old junk "science". The only thing it will do is make a work fair project for people and cost more than America (China, Europe, etc) is probably worth on a good day. In short it is an attempt by the socialists to bankrupt the capitalist countries. Take a look at who the treaty affects. There again they were probably too smart to sign such a silly document.
Even if we do everything Kyoto says, they admit that it won't do much if anything. Sort of like owning a boat for most of us - a hole in the water in which to throw your money. The only difference is that this hole takes all your money, house, kids, wife, clothes and then goes after your neighbor's stuff.
It's a starting point.
A joke is a starting point?
I am proud that the US leadership, Republicans and Democrats, have stood firm against this most egregious politicization of junk science. Slashdot has played its part in trumpeting this issue, usually by posting stories by the BBC (no bias there). The fact is the hope for a global climate treaty that restrains the growth of the US and Asia will not happen. Pressure is not mounting. It comes from the same shrill voices in Europe that have been screeching for a decade.
an ill wind that blows no good
meanwhile the americans will still be driving regular cars and paying next to nothing for the gas. Of course, we 'enlightened' europeans will be even more heavily burdend by taxes that subsidize the clean energy technologies while at same time paying high prices to use them. To top it all off, in 10 years climate research will show that this is the end of natural warming period with an ice age to follow. The delicious irony of seeing european greens drive their 100.000 solar cars around on the iceshelf that then will cover all of northern europe will entertain me until I die.
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No power in the 'verse can stop me
Actually, the US is a good example of the rape of a continent. Apart from a few national parks, practically nothing remains of the original vegetation, forests and wildlife -- not even the buffalo. Reducing forest cover (worldwide) is part of the problem -- trees soak up CO2. Europe of course lost practically all its wooded areas long back, but it took a couple of millennia to do what the US did to a much larger land area in 200 years. Now the third world is following suit -- but awareness is more now. Forest cover is actually increasing in India in the last 10 years or so, and deforestation has decreased in other places though it's rampant elsewhere.
Anyway, all that is hardly the point. Americans see blue skies and think "no problem" -- no surprise -- half of them think the earth is flat. What the American public thinks should hardly be a criterion. Policy makers ought to be more responsible.
Sh! Don't you know that celebrities' opinions only matter when they are left-leaning? That Crichton has quite a bit of scientific knowledge is irrelevant: no-one on the right can possibly be correct! Didn't you get the memo?
"I don't know if you're American"
Damn you are a rocket scientist. If you weren't completely clueless you might have deduced that he is most probably Canadian, though American education is so dismal in things like basic Geography you probably don't know where Toronto is.
"You're not worth proof reading"
People who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. Apparently your own posts aren't worth proofreading either.
For example, WTF is a "Tornato"?
In general your post is rambling gibberish. Try working on coherent, complete sentences, that actually make some kind of point. It certainly looks like you were educated in America.
Me I'm not a pedant like you so I don't care if there are typos in BS slashdot posts but maybe you should stop ranting about proof reading when you apparently don't proof read your own posts.
@de_machina
The Kyoto treaty is about one thing: Punishment of First World Nations.
Sometimes at night I imagine the darkness is filled with horrible things with too many teeth, like Julia Roberts.
"If you break it down to raw physics, how much energy does it take to heat at 1 acre/foot of water 1 degree celcious. Light is easy to produce, energy of the amount the sun or even the earth produces is beyond our foreseeable grasp."
Man you are thick. The problem from all the gas flaring isn't the heat produced, its the voluminous quantities of CO2 it produces. CO2 is a green house gas, which increases the propensity of our atmosphere to trap the Sun's heat and as you said yourself the Sun showers the earth with lots of HEAT. The fact that man is adding CO2 and methane to the atmosphere on a continuing basis is almost certainly contributing to increased trapping of the Sun's heat, increasing the Earth's temperature. Get it yet?
Another illuminating example of Man's capacity to alter our climate, which is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is ozone depletion. Its an amazingly good example because it too is caused by human activity releasing gasses, chlorofluorocarbons, in to the atmosphere, not huge releases, but billions of tiny releases by aerosol cans, refrigerators and air conditioning leaks. If we had taken your approach, denial, and hadn't banned the problem gasses we might well have destroyed the ozone layer that shields us from ultraviolet radiation and we would have all died and taken much of life on this planet with us.
"I will, but I recall a Syrian actually being an enemy combatant. I do plan to look into this as I really would like to see what came of the trials."
Here is one transcript from a man who was in the famous nude pyramid. He was an Iragi civilian being held for theft/looting and he is beyond a shadow of a doubt protected by the Geneva conventions on treatment of civilians in occupied countries, and they specificly band sexual humiliation. He is so ashamed he is is suicidal.
"I'm certain there are and I am content with covert missions and interrogations involving torcher."
WTF is "torcher"? You in favor of setting people on fire too? All I can say is you are sick, and I've had enough, you belong in my Foes list next to my allstar list of right wing wackos many of them think torture is cool too.
Probably should point out the obvious hypocrisy in supporting toppling Saddam because he tortured people and then saying its OK for the U.S. to torture people too.
The only thing I wish for you in life is that someday you land in dark, dank prison cell and spend a few years of your life being tortured every day, you deserve it.
"No, I'm no holding no war or information against you, nor have I committed any crimes punishable in such way."
Like I said many of those people in Abu Graib were being held on suspicion of theft/looting. They hadn't been charged with anything, they hadn't been convicted of anything, so by your lame ass standard I can accuse you of theft and come over and arrest and torture you. Whats your address?
Later dude, your posts aren't worth the bandwidth. Probably should consider not posting your B.S. for the rest of the world to see. Your embarrasing, you give Americans a bad name and they don't need any help in that regard.
@de_machina