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Firefox Breaks 25 Million Downloads

certron wrote to alert us that earlier this week, Mozilla passed the milestone of 25 million downloads. From the official site: "With a minimal set of tools--an affiliate system, a small donations fundraising system, blogs, galleries, forums, and the good old human larynx--you all are spreading Firefox to a quarter of a million people a day. More than 500,000 sites now link to Firefox according to Google--a fivefold increase from six months ago. What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source. Tens of thousands of devoted users and fans are a powerful and capable force of change. We have created a special commemorative image if you would like to mark this milestone on your own site." Reader asa also wrote to mention an interview with Bill Gates from this week where the mogul was asked directly what he thought of Firefox.

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  1. More = Better? by samtihen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    25 Million Agree - IE SUCKS!

    Although, the 25 million downloads doesn't actually equate to 25 million users. How many times have you downloaded Firefox? I'm over 10, that's for sure. And how many people got it from others, rather than downloading it?

    I mean, it really doesn't matter, it really shouldn't be a competition anyway. If it is a good product, it will do well. Who really cares if it competes with IE? All more users really do is bring attention (very possibly malicious) to the project.

    1. Re:More = Better? by Yolegoman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Who really cares if it competes with IE?

      I care. When we finally wipe IEs damned non-standard display of HTML and CSS from the internet, I won't have to spend hours and days attempting to get my websites rendering properly in Microsofts piece of crap they call a browser.

      That's the main reason I root for FireFox. Sure, no spyware is nice, but for me it's a bonus. That IE thinks they are so l33t as to rewrite the W3 standards makes me angry to the core.

      - Yolego

    2. Re:More = Better? by keiferb · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slashdot isn't complaint.

      You must be new here. The slashdot I know (and love) is one big pile of complaint. =)

    3. Re:More = Better? by podmf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Who really cares if it competes with IE?"

      Anyone who is interested in improving the web or merely keeping the web open.

      So long as 90 percent of users see the web through IE, it will remain crippled and vulnerable to desktop client-based lock-in.

      All of Microsoft's published plans and statements about IE and Longhorn confirm their intention to engineer the maximum tie-in between the web and .Net.

      The Apache webserver enables the technical possibility of an open web, but dominance of the desktop client is required to guarrantee it's practical likelihood.

      Only by taking share off IE is it possible to build sites which demonstrate the practical benefits of standards-based web design to non-technical users.

      Right now, up to 90 percent of the effort in standards-based design goes into accomodating IE's crippled CSS ... which is why many web designers can't be bothered.

    4. Re:More = Better? by sepluv · · Score: 3, Informative
      this very page (Slashdot) appears totally corrupted

      This was fixed in Gecko in May 2004 on the trunk which is used by the latest stable version of Mozilla Suite (but not on the aviary branch).

      To fix it in Firefox:

      get a recent nightly build--I find them just as stable

      get the new minor stable version (1.0.1) which is coming out this month

      just install the Slashfix extension.

      BTW the bug only occured sometimes if your machine was fast and it was rendering /. too quickly--you could try reloading--it was a genuine bug as it occured intermittently, but the awful slashcode HTML doesn't help (esp. their use of evil many-nested tables for layout--see the funny and informative Why tables for layout is stupid).

      Sage cannot reload my RSS feeds

      Sage? (BTW, how can you imply that MSIE is better than Firefox in this regard when MSIE doesn't even support RSS feeds.)

      I guess I'd somehow like Firefox to "emulate" MSIE when it comes to viewing some "incompatible" sites

      It already does to some extent. It is called quirks mode. It uses that mode to render /. as /. is not standard-compliant. Go to page info on the page context menu to see which mode it is using for the page--quirks mode will kick in if a page isn't standards-compliant.

      There's always tech evangelism (or filing a tech-evang Bugzilla bug)

      Konqueror could pretend to be another browser

      So can Firefox. To do it on the fly in Firefox, use the User Agent Switcher.
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  2. Update! by RobertTaylor · · Score: 5, Funny

    25,241,830 and counting to be precise ;)

  3. Refresh button by madaxe42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn, knew I'd pressed it a few times too many on getfirefox.com

  4. Interview with Bill Gates by Walkiry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Problem is, he doesn't really say much other than "we have competition in many places, we'll keep working to be the best". Typical marketdroid stuff. The funny thing is that one of the things he mentions is that they'll be trying to be #1 in "Security". Heh. One can only hope...

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  5. Firefox *breaks* downloads? by thiophene · · Score: 5, Funny

    I read that the wrong way.

  6. Power of open source? by suso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source.

    I see what you're trying to say, but I don't know whether you can call this newfound popularity due to open source. When I think of firefox, It doesn't even occur to me at first that its open source. I mean, I know that it is, but thats not the first thing I think of. When I think of something like Gnome, I think of it as open source. Mozilla and friends just have a different feeling. Does anyone else think that too?

    1. Re:Power of open source? by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see what you're trying to say, but I don't know whether you can call this newfound popularity due to open source. When I think of firefox, It doesn't even occur to me at first that its open source.

      Yes, same here. Imagine if the Opera people had decided to make their browser free as in beer without any ads and whatnot. Then it very well could have been as popular as Firefox.

      "Free as in beer" is a big deal in this case. There's no market for browsers you have to pay for.

    2. Re:Power of open source? by LittleKing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I love Firefox and the community, however, lately I'm starting to have issues with the community. We all talk about how better firefox and open source is and how buggy IE is. We say that OSS, while may have bugs, can be fixed quickly when an exploit is found.

      My problems is since the URL exploit has been brought to light (and some can argue it's not firefox fault) there hasn't been an official update, only the manual hack. This really bothers me. When a security issue like this comes up, I want firefox to automatically update, or at least tell me there's an update.

      While I can do the manual fix I know many users that if using FireFox would not or even know about the problem. Why do we talk about better security and quicker updates when it isn't actually happening. I am not a programmer, but I love the community and support where I can. This issue needs to be addressed before the script kiddies and Hackors start to use the exploits that are found.

      Finally, I want to say thanks to the developers for a great product and congrats for the 25 million downloads.

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  7. FireFox and IE have something in common... by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "FireFox Breaks 25 Million Downloads"

    and

    "Internet Explorer Breaks 25 Million Computers"

    Of course, this is just a low estimate on both.

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  8. Hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    GATES: No, in fact that's one thing I like about the Microsoft culture -- is that we wake up every day thinking about companies like Wang...
    So what you're telling me is the first thing on his mind every morning is wang? Interesting.
  9. What bill says by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there
    Wow, a new web browser 4 years after the old, and several years after you've declared that there wasn't even going to be another stand-alone version.

    Four years of stasis.
    Two years of complete disinterest.

    That's some really rapid innovation, there, Bill.
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    1. Re:What bill says by confusion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They have to dust-off the old 'anti-netscape' playbook now. FF has risen to a level where MS is very concerned about losing momentum and support for their proprietary IE extensions. I know many software vendors have it on their near term road maps to inter-operate with Firefox (they don't now, due to the use of proprietary extensions in IE). MS really hasn't had to deal with any competing products taking up market/mind share so quickly in the past.

      Jerry
      http://www.syslog.org/

  10. Speed up Firefox by BobWeiner · · Score: 4, Informative

    This may have already been mentioned, but here's a link on tweaking Firefox to make it even faster on a broadband connection. I've applied these settings and notice an immediate performance boost.

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  11. The difference is simple :) by KZigurs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Firefox thinks about usability.

    You wouldn't associate Open Source with usability even if forced to.

    1. Re:The difference is simple :) by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmmmm, this is interesting. You might think that the parent comment is flamebait or a troll, but I think this person has a point. As an open source community, I think we can learn a lot from how firefox has succeeded so well and so quickly, analyze it and apply it to a lot of other projects. Much like how the FSF originally redid all the unix applications before rewriting the kernel, maybe the goal could be to redo all windows applications and then subplant the underlying OS.

  12. Someone please stop the download bots!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, Firefox fans, you can stop the auto-download bots now you've made your point !!

  13. Nice of Bill to take all the credit by grandmofftarkin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "There's a new technology that is an industry standard we created called Sender ID"

    No mention of SFP or the guys behind it.

  14. Serious Question... by phunhippy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like Firefox.. however its not my browser of choice and here's why..

    I am constantly switching with ctrl-tab between using IE for web based crap and going throough my file system.. ctrl-tab type c:\ and bam.. you get the idea?

    I like the interface explorer gives me for browsing my files. I don't like the interface FIREFOX or any other browser gives me.. Is there any way I can get that interface inside firefox? some plugin maybe?

    Any thoughts?

  15. Re:In other news by bcmm · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's fixed in the trunk build, and will be fixed in FF 1.1.

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    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  16. This was too much... by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 4, Funny

    To paraphrase into hilarity:

    Bill Gates: "No, in fact that's one thing I like about the Microsoft culture -- is that we wake up every day thinking about ... Wang."

  17. What would make it better by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only reason I use IE is because when I am in Windows Explorer, I like to just type in the URL, and go. Otherwise, I use Firefox. You don't know how many times in the day, I hit Ctrl+T to get a new tab, and realize I am in IE (or worse, go to do a search and see the clunky dialog box come up). I then have to switch over.

    Anyone know of a way to integrate firefox without adverse effects? I'd love to ditch ie 100%, but old habits die hard, plus I'd hate to lose the efficiencies...

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  18. BEFORE applying settings!!!!! by codesurfer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sure many people know about this, but please read the following before applying the settings mentioned in the parent article. There are other things to consider. The following is an excerpt

    The dearly beloved "run the turbines at Military Power 'til they blow up" Scribner on your staff who suggests sticking their foot through the floorboards by tweaking Firefox & setting "network.http.pipelining.maxrequests" to "30" connections (This means it will make 30 requests at once.)
    Said Scribner, who is obviously a gamer & overclocker freak, _FORGOT_ to read the comments section at th4e bottom of the posting http://forevergeek.com/open_source/make_firefox_fa ster.php#comments
    "#13 Great little tips, but only one problem, and that's that you're breaking servers by doing this. 3-5 requests is fine, but trying to do 30 requests at once puts some strain on the server. If two people try to access the same page at once with this set, that's 60 connections. Most httpd's are set to cut off after there are 100 connections made. So, 4 people with this set could not access the same site. I urge you to think things through before setting something like this and killing the websites you browse."

    1. Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! by naylor83 · · Score: 4, Informative

      See my above reply. Firefox & Mozilla never do more than 8 requests. Setting a higher value is pointless.

    2. Re:BEFORE applying settings!!!!! by m50d · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must be new here. We *like* killing servers.

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  19. what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 by Steve_Jobs_HNIC · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:what makes it better are the plugins, my top 5 by tehshen · · Score: 5, Informative

      And before the complaints come,

      Slashfix

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  20. Err go Ego by canuck57 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry.

    With a statement like that, what about TRS-80, Apple II, Commodore PET and others. Steve Jobs would be the man if he wasn't so closed up with his architecture and IBM was not. All Microsoft and Bill did was be in the right place when IBM had 100,000 PCs without an OS. After that they screwed their way to the top of the heap with questionable business practices to ride the wave. It was well under way long before Bill had DOS.

    Microsoft even had interest in SCO to get code and make sure they didn't rival their Windows NT. Oh yes, these two companies have a long relationship more than most know.

    In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there and it's our commitment to have the best.

    I guess this hints of a new browser. I wonder how much open source code and ideas it will contain. Most people, including Microsoft seem to forget that Microsoft really hasn't invented anything new. They just use other's ideas.

    In a few years when the biggest market in the world runs Linux (China) we will see Microsoft in second place. It will be a glorious day when Microsoft gets a long needed lesson in humility.

  21. Friends by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of my non-technical friends have recently become wise to the 'Fox.

    And I quote "My internet explorer just stopped working about a month ago.. it wasnt worth the trouble, and those damn popup windows are annoying too.."

    I think average Joe is starting to understand. (Incidentially, one of my friend's names is Joe)

  22. Pimpzilla by RasendeRutje · · Score: 4, Funny

    Firefox is great, but only after installing Pimpzilla, my internet life is complete!
    http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla//

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  23. alternatives by john_uy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i think other open source applications should be promoted together with firefox. people now find out that there is a better alternative. more promotion should be made to applications such as open office, and of course, linux. i hope this is a start of something better for everyone.

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  24. Re:This does not mean 25 million users. by Jason+O'Neil · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I see what you mean, I have downloaded firefox a couple of times myself. But on the other hand, I have also downloaded a single install file and then proceeded it to install it on my computer, my brother's computer, and my Dad's laptop.

    Schools, universities and businesses that are using firefox will be adding even more users that are not included in the download count on the website. I think the number of users who have not been registered on the download count will balance or even outweigh the number of users who have registered multiple times on the count.

  25. Sounds familiar... by oldosadmin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's exactly what OpenOffice.org has been advocating for months, but nobody seems to listen.

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  26. Commemorative Image scares me... by thepseudogenie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is a vectorized fox with flames shooting out of his ass burning the world to a crisp really the image we want for firefox...? I would say that image is apt for Micr... oh nevermind...

  27. Re:Count me out of the FireFox craze.. by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 3, Informative

    I guess if you're dumb enough to fall for the phishing lures, IE is probably an ok idea.

    I'm replying to you, partly because I disagree with the "IE is probably an OK idea" (even for dumb people ;) , but mainly because I don't want to draw attention to the troll you're replying to.

    The Macworld article is refering to the recent IDN exploit that affects many browsers, but not IE. Macworld presumably considered this newsworthy because the exploit (a) affected Safari, and (b) didn't affect IE. However, IE had already suffered similar exploits, covered here on Slashdot and elsewhere. I had a quick peek on Secunia to see if I could find it, but got sidetracked by the pretty colours on the graphs:
    IE
    Firefox

    Bottom line: IE is still horendously insecure, while Firefox has very few issues, and what few issues it does have are patched quickly.

    The sad thing is: I use IE. Apart from the security issues (I don't use it enough to be affected - I use Firefox normally, naturally ;) it's not a bad browser. Trolls like the GP don't help its case. The really sad thing is: one day soon there'll be trolls like this evangelizing (or trying to...) Firefox.

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  28. phenomenal demonstration? by NekoXP · · Score: 3, Informative


    Phenomenal?

    It took them 7 years to get this far.

    Don't get me wrong, I use Firefox every day. But let's remember Firefox was not
    the primary goal of the Mozilla Project, but a fluke messaround of a couple of
    engineers to strip the browser down from an unweildy "suite" to what people want:
    an IE replacement.

    If Mozilla weren't being so contrary in the very beginning and decided to go the
    route diametrically opposite to competing with IE, we'd have been there years ago.

    Neko

  29. They are so far behind, it's funny. by phaxda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bill sez: "Also the idea of how the phone and the PC are coming together. Where you will be able to see the calls that you missed, or even when your phone rings see immediately who that is that's calling, or control how that is forwarded, or even set it up so that the screen is part of your interaction. We are seeing that as increasingly important and are putting a lot of research into that."

    I loved this part of the interview. "Will be able to?" Like when, the next time someone calls my Nokia cell phone and their number is displayed on my PowerBook screen via Bluetooth and the Address Book? And then maybe I will even get the option to send the caller to voicemail FROM MY COMPUTER?! WOW!

    Hey, maybe Microsoft will even come up with a program that will pause the music on my computer when someone calls me. Or logs missed calls in my phone's calendar? Now that would be cool. Just like Salling Clicker.

    Microsoft: yesterday's technology, today. Still.

    Really, all I could do is laugh at this one. How do you Windows people deal with it?

  30. Where did you get that???? by heybo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'd even venture to say that if Free OS's had the same installed base, the same virus-target-area, as MS today, a new WinXP (SP2) system would be more secure than a new RedHat system. Why? Because if Linux had the same base as MS, it would have the same number of viruses, and RH doesn't come with virus software, and Windows (when you buy from most OEM's) does.

    Where did you get that FUD! The one big thing and the simplest security feature that keeps RedHat more secure over Windows is it is built and configured for users NOT to run as Administrator. This is the biggest screw up of MS. 80% of the spyware anf virus out there will not load unless you are running under and Admin or Root account. Try to install something on a RH box. See if you don't get a window asking for the root password. The default set up of Windows makes the default user an Administrator. Hell some MS programs won't even run unless you are an Administrator. You call that secure????

    If Microsoft's products where the best I would buy them. Why do I use RedHat? It isn't the cost it is the built in security and realibity.

    Did you ever wonder why the NSA used RedHat as its base for SELinux? If Windows is so superior why didn't they use Windows as the base of their in-house secure operation system?

  31. Firefox Benefits Everyone by Goo.cc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even Windows users who don't ever plan to use Firefox benefit from it because it forces Microsoft to do something instead of letting IE languish. Additionally, Firefox growing popularity will encourage people from coding sites dependent solely on IE.

    I think that it is a win-win situation.