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John Gilmore's Search for the Mandatory ID Law

powerline22 writes "John Gilmore, the millionare who cofounded the EFF, has been prohibited from travelling because he refused to show an ID while boarding an airplane. He's been under this self-imposed ban since 2002. From the article: "The gate agent asked for his ID. Gilmore asked her why. It is the law, she said. Gilmore asked to see the law. Nobody could produce a copy. To date, nobody has. The regulation that mandates ID at airports is 'Sensitive Security Information.' The law, as it turns out, is unavailable for inspection. What started out as a weekend trip to Washington became a crawl through the courts in search of an answer to Gilmore's question: Why?"

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  1. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    How does he make his trips to Washington now? That's a long drive.

    1. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Though I should tell you, I really don't give a fuck if the guy trying to hijack the plane I'm flying on has an ID or not."

      But then how the hell else do you expect the FBI to figure out which country we need to invade??

  2. Why, indeed! by Threni · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You've got to have rules, Jerry. Without rules there's chaos." - Kramer.

    1. Re:Why, indeed! by KevinKnSC · · Score: 5, Funny
      Publish your real name, address and phone number here before claiming any special credit.

      Crap, now we have to show ID here, too?

    2. Re:Why, indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed, indeed...I was once shopping at Cumberland Farms for some smokes, paid with a debit card, and when the reciept came out, the counter-monkey asked me to sign the receipt and produce ID. I asked why, and he said it was "store policy". I replied that the corporation already had my money, and that it was MY policy not to sign or show an ID unless it was a credit purchase, grabbed my stuff and left. I swear to God, the guy looked like he was about to have an aneurism. Employees have been so indoctrinated into the "Corporate Policy = Law" mindset that they find it difficult to see beyond it. Of course, in the parent post, the policy IS law, they just won't let us see it.

  3. Ho Chi Minh beard by fembots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe the memory is still lingering?

    But seriously, is $30 million enough for such lawsuit? Didn't we just read that a session of 'Trek costs $32 million??

  4. Apt Quote? by deutschemonte · · Score: 2, Funny

    The quote at the bottom of Slashdot says "Our way is peace."

    Sounds like all the explaination you will get from this administration.

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  5. Re:Because. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We now live in a nation where we are bound by secret laws. I'm sure some of the tin-foil hat people can tell you why that's a bad thing.

    We're going to have to ask you to report to your nearest police station and turn yourself in. Theres a law about referring to certain articles of clothing on certain days (though we're prohibited from being specific. Its top secret stuff, you understand. You'll just have to trust us).

  6. Who Made Unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "He was employee No. 5 at Sun Microsystems, which made Unix, the free software of the Web, the world standard. "

    Who made Unix? I thought it was SCO?

  7. Unfortunately, in reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I was driving down the freeway one day, following all the rules, going the speed limit, and a police officer pulls me over for "a traffic violation", but is not willing to tell me what this "traffic violation is", wouldn't I have reason to question why?

    Only if you're white

  8. Alert! Falsehoods! by Eil · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA:

    "He was employee No. 5 at Sun Microsystems, which made Unix, the free software of the Web, the world standard."

    Waitaminute. They're actually saying that:
    • Sun made Unix (AT&T made Unix)
    • Unix is the "free software of the web," (I'd say Apache, Linux, or FreeBSD would make better examples, Unix(tm) is kproprietary)
    • Unix is "the world standard" (eh? Windows seems like it would be more of a world standard, even if we don't like it.)


    Three complete falsehoods in one sentence! Is this country great or what?
  9. Re:Bullet, meet foot. Foot, this is bullet. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why does the government need to know where you are travelling?

    For the same reason that dogs lick their balls.

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  10. Homophone by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Funny
    Jim Starx said:
    It would be pretty hard for this administration to say that with a straight face.

    Remember though, Peace is a homophone of Piece. Perhaps they really meant:

    • Our way is [a declaration of opinion].
    • Our way is [a firearm].
    • Our way is [tearing a part from a whole].
    I can see most of the executive branch saying this.
  11. Re:Private Company... by fireman+sam · · Score: 2, Funny

    "what are the written rules for passangers?"

    Sit down.
    Shut up.
    Pay for all present and future government related expenses.

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  12. Re:Private Company... by Porter+Doran · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Airlines are private companies."

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ahem. Haha.

    Good one.

  13. Re:The "We suggest you take off your shoes" rule by wk633 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next time, really f with them. Take off one shoe, and refuse to take off the other, or explain why :-)

  14. Ironically by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

    we are being held accountable to rules that we cannot know.

    If we were around women more, we'd be used to it...

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  15. By air... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    By hiding in the front wheel bay of the aircraft... His new nickname will be John "Iceman" Gilmore.

  16. Which Law ? by Aussie · · Score: 2, Funny


    Q Why do I need to show my ID ?
    A Catch 22.
    Q What says I can't see the law ?
    A Catch 22.

    The US gov should be careful, Joseph Heller might sue.

  17. Re:Dude! wtf? by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do all Americans have a Lawyer on call 24/7 ?

    No, but we all need one.

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  18. Re:Theft by extra+the+woos · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it werent for pirates I wouldn't have this machete and this green macaw parrot resting on my shoulder keeping me awake at night saying "arrrRRRr!".. damn pirates.

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  19. Re:Constitutionality by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but you guys are, like, sane and shit.

    In the US, politics is all about seeing what you can get away with.

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  20. Re:sigh... by badfish99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I made a purchase at Frys once, using my credit card, and they asked me for photo ID.
    I discovered that the phrase "I'm English: we don't carry photo ID because Britain is a free country" works just fine.

  21. How valuable is my two seconds? by raehl · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wolves think about the damage done to the their privacy and their freedom.

    Can you get a tin-foil hat with cut-outs for wolf ears? Seems like it would be pretty uncomfortable otherwise.

  22. Re:Constitutionality by kurt555gs · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have a friend that used to be in state govenment. He was responsible for passing a law that many thought was un-constitutional.

    A reporter asked him if he thought the law was in fact within the guidelines of our state's constitution, to which he replied:

    "Pal, the only law I ever passed that I was certain was constitutional, was a pay raise for the Supreme Court.

    Cheers

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