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GlobalFlyer 'Round The World Solo Flight Takes Off

bryanthompson writes "The Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer took off from the Salina Municipal Airport this evening at about 6:47 CST. The Salina Airport was chosen for its central location, and the fact that it is one of the few air strips long enough for the flyer to take off successfully. The trip around the world is expected to take about 80 hours, with speeds averaging 285 mph. The craft was designed for Sir Richard Branson by Burt Rutan of Scaled Composites, who also designed SpaceShipOne." Steve Fossett is piloting the craft, intended (as reader aallan puts it), "to be the first solo non-stop flight around the world without refuelling."

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  1. 80 hours??, this /. editors ... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 4, Funny

    That should read 80 days, Passepartout!!

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  2. Live Tracking by KaSkA101 · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. sleepy? by tiredwired · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone know how you can stay up for 80hours straight and still land a plane? I'm not talking about Viagra.

    1. Re:sleepy? by hazee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder why he has to - the plane has an autopilot, but the plan is to only sleep for a few minutes at a time.

      Considering that he'll have a chase plane beside him some of the time, you'd think he could just stick it on autopilot for a few hours nap, and people in the chase plane will yell over the radio to wake him up if anything goes amiss.

      But maybe that's stretching the definition of "solo flight".

    2. Re:sleepy? by bwb · · Score: 3, Informative

      Modafinil might do the trick.

    3. Re:sleepy? by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, not trying to flame but this is not as hard as most people think and has obviously been taken into cosideration before they take off. i'm not saying its a doddle but the normal military thing is 2 on 2 off and you can go for a surprisingly long time.

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    4. Re:sleepy? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

      He'll be sleeping longer than a few minutes, but there won't be any eight-hour snoozes for him. The autopilot ensures that no matter what his alertness condition, the appropriate settings will be used to maximize fuel efficiency. He'll have the option of taking over in an emergency, but for the most part, he's just along for the ride.

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    5. Re:sleepy? by mickyflynn · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, but that's with a crew of 5 in a B-52 (with at least 2 flight-qualified individuals), or 2 in a B2 stealth bomber, both pilots. The military never would have built a one-man plane to fly 23-hour missions around the world and back.

      But this probably involves jolt cola or something.

    6. Re:sleepy? by VAXcat · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's the way it's headed. It's like that old joke about the cockpit complement on future airliners - instead of a pilot and a copilot, it will just be a pilot and a dog. The dog's job is to bite the pilot if he starts trying to mess with the controls.

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  4. First solo JET flight. by Bombcar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know if that's important, but it is the first solo non-refueling JET flight.

    1. Re:First solo JET flight. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and end up basically hating each other by the end of the flight. Imagine sitting for several days in a closet with your significant other, not really able to move much, with little to no privacy, no washing, no change of clothes, and no way of just getting away for even a few minutes. As I recall, their relationship did not last much after the flight, and soured even further afterward.

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  5. First *jet* non-stop, wasn't it? by r.jimenezz · · Score: 3, Informative
    "to be the first solo non-stop flight around the world without refuelling."

    I was under the impression Rutan himself achieved this many moons ago. This one would the first jet-powered craft to do it, though.

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    1. Re:First *jet* non-stop, wasn't it? by wasted · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and Jeanne Yeager (who is Chuck's daughter, I believe).

      Not according to this site. It seems that they are not related.

  6. Any landing you walk away from... by Vombatus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    one of the few air strips long enough for the flyer to take off successfully

    I hope they have a few air strips along the way that are long enough for the flyer to land successfully - you know, in case of emergency.

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    1. Re:Any landing you walk away from... by the+pickle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Landing generally takes anywhere from 3/4 to as little as about 1/3 of the length required to get off the ground. Obviously this depends a lot on the plane's design, but I've yet to see ANY fixed-wing aircraft that requires more runway to land than to take off. (The space shuttle doesn't count.)

      When you're landing, you can dump your (remaining) fuel and land at a much lighter weight, thereby giving the brakes less energy to dissipate. Also, brakes are typically far more efficient at destroying thrust than engines are at creating it. Finally, most aircraft have other thrust- and lift-destroying devices that can be deployed during a maximum-performance landing (thrust reversers, speed brakes, spoilers, etc.), all of which help to reduce the landing distance, but don't help takeoffs at all.

      The point of this long-windedness is basically to say that they won't have any problem finding emergency landing strips in the (fairly unlikely, IMO) event that they need one.

      IAAP&CFI.

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  7. Looks to me by ICECommander · · Score: 4, Interesting

    like Scaled Composites is going to be the high-tech aerospace leader, first SpaceShipOne then this.
    Maybe they will get to Mars before NASA?

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    1. Re:Looks to me by Colgate2003 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Scaled Composites is a high-tech aerospace leader. Check out their projects page.

      Those are just the ones that they can tell you about. Scaled is where the Skunk Works and other such places go when even they can figure something out.

    2. Re:Looks to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've never understood why people think of rutan as some sort of god of legendary designer when it comes to these things.

      Anyone in the Aerospace industry who knows anything about aircraft design can tell you that while rutan has had a few good designs, it isnt like he knows more than anyone else, but rather he has had the balls to go ahead and build things. Which is why he is on the map today.

      This aircraft is designed and built for a single mission. The structure is highly specialized and the craft does not have to take into account for any wide range of CG margins.

      Compare this to a commercial airliner like the new Boeing 777-200LR which must be able to fly at several different loading conditions over an incredible range... or perhaps the Lockheed-Martin F-35, in which one basic airframe is meeting the needs of 3 different branches of the military. The guys at Scaled may be good, however they arent any better than the guys at Boeing/Lockheed

  8. I can almost see by EdwinBoyd · · Score: 4, Funny

    A frazzled billionare being extracted from the remnants of his mangled craft, breathlessly explaining to a throng of reporters. "It was going quite well, but the wind just picked up so suddenly we didn't have a chance. Damnable shame, ah well on to my next silly adventure/reality show"

    1. Re:I can almost see by funkmonkeyfunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, let's celebrate the spurious frittering away of wealth by the rich! Hooray for Mr. Branson for funding a school-boy dream project that will help his recently announced space-tourism company. Hooray for Steve Forbes for his ridiculous megalomaniacal presidential runs. ( I mean, who hasn't wanted to be president?) And Kudos to The Trump for walking away from bankruptcy with a cool $2 million a year at the expense of investors. Paris Hilton take note - you are a star every time you drop an absurd amount on... well whatever Paris Hilton spends her money on.

      Really, all these folks are much better than those dull philanthropic types like Oprah , Bill Gates href=http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm>Bi ll Gates and George Soros. What fun is there in championing human kidness and decency, public health and global economic fairness?

      This world is full of people looking to satisfy their own ego-centric desires. Some have the moolah to fulfill the big ones, and some of them are more fun, but it is merely a question of scale. Branson is little better than the tight-fisted Krocs or Waltons. The really amazing people are the ones who use their wealth to do something to raise up their fellow humans.

  9. First SOLO non-stop unrefueled flight... by wasted · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mr. Rutan was accompanied by Ms. Yeager.

    1. Re:First SOLO non-stop unrefueled flight... by n6mod · · Score: 3, Informative

      And it was Burt's brother Dick who was the pilot.

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  10. First Solo flight by Marscity9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think that the flight you are refering to was a two person flight, and they managed to go around the world, although they had some problems with fuel management. Although no one has even flown solo around the world, he thought that that would be too easy, so he decided to challange himself, and use a jet instead of a prop. I suppose this could lead to more innovation in the idea of engine efficiency, but not all that much else (not to say that efficiency is a small matter).

    1. Re:First Solo flight by the+pickle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, not only has a solo circumglobal flight been done before, Fossett was the one who did it, albeit in a balloon.

      p

  11. Voyager? by corngrower · · Score: 3, Informative
    I remember when the first non-stop, non-refueled flight around the world was made back in about 1980. There were two pilots on board that time. One of the Rutans and a woman, Yeager, I believe.

    That plane was so loaded with fuel on takeoff, that the rate of climb was very very slow, maybe 150 ft/minute. The wings, which were loaded with fuel would droop down and had to be supported by small wheels at the wingtips until the plane gathered enough speed for the wings to develop lift.

    I wish Fosset good luck on this journey. Things will be touch and go for awhile until the fuel load has been lightened and the plane becomes responsive. A lot of things can go wrong, but hopefully improved technology will make things easier and improve his chance of success for this round the world flight.

    1. Re:Voyager? by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Informative

      Voyager was flown by Burt Rutan's brother, Dick, and Jeanna Yeager (no relation to Chuck) in 1986.

      As for the responsiveness issue, I bet that's why they delayed the flight for so long because of weather. To get clear skies for the first few hours. GlobalFlyer's service ceiling is listed as 50,000 feet, which should put it above the weather for most of the flight (Voyager was unpressurised and could fly no higher than 11,000 feet, and so was much more subject to the weather).

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  12. Next... first while wearing tutu by simetra · · Score: 4, Funny
    First solo flight around the world wearing a tutu.
    Next will be first solo flight around the world wearing a tutu while humming "Windy"... Who's walking down the streets of the city, smiling at every body she sees... yadda yadda

    Then, first solo flight around the world while building a little ship inside a bottle......

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  13. Shame about the refueling by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Informative

    The fastest jet plane in the world is still the SR71 Blackbird. It flew at Mach 3.35 or 2,275 mph (3,660 km/h). The circumference of the earth is 24,859.82 miles (40,008 km). So that means the Blackbird would do a flight around the world in 11 hours. Unfortunately it only had a range of 2,590 nm (4,800 km), so it would have to refuel at least 9 times. In a way, it's amazing that someone can build a plane that can carry enough fuel and still do the trip in less than 8x the time.

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    1. Re:Shame about the refueling by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Informative

      More interesting still is that the plane is about a foot or so longer while flying at operational speed than on the ground, owing to the frictional heat. This is the reason for the grooves in the fuselage - they allow the skin to expand uniformly instead of trying to curl up. The SR's also leak fuel like sieves until they can get up to speed and the tanks seal properly, thus one of the first actions taken after takeoff is a midair refuelling, shortly followed by the proverbial leap to hyperspace.

      Kelly Johnson was one extremely smart guy.

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    2. Re:Shame about the refueling by boarder · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look, take it from a guy with a masters in aerospace engineering... the difference between a rocket engine and a jet engine is where they get their oxidizer. A jet carries its fuel and pulls oxygen from the air to create a propellant, then it combusts the two after a pressure differential for greater exit velocity (this incluedes a scramjet). A rocket carries both fuel and oxidizer and either combines the two in a varying ratio like a liquid engine or has them precombined like a solid. A jet needs exterior oxygen from the atmosphere, while a rocket can work anywhere. The other reply to your post got modded as redundant, when it should be informative. Just wanted to make sure nobody else thought you were correct.

      BTW, the idea that a jet creates a pressure differential to move it is very quaint; thanks for giving me a chuckle. That is how a wing gives lift, but it isn't how a jet works. Granted, if you didn't ignite any fuel in the accelerated airstream in the engine you might get some acceleration (never looked into that, but it sounds plausible), the majority of the force comes from expelling mass at high velocity.

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  14. Ok let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They spent all kinds of money to design and build a machine that would consume fuel for 80 hours and then be where it started from.

    I propose that a more cost effective device. It would be made of baked clay. This rectangular object could be placed at any location. Not just on a runway. 80 hours later we could verify that it was it was still there.

  15. Funny you should mention the Wright Brothers by joemc91 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They held up progress in aviation for almost 10 years in the US by making their plans secret and suing anybody who made planes. Their big patent fight was against Curtis Aircraft who invented ailerons, whereas the Wright's used wing-warping. During that time up till the early 20's, France took the lead in aviation, hence all the French sounding parts: fuselage, aileron, empenage, etc. Of course they contributed the most out of anyone in the old days but after the first few flyers there wasn't nearly as much innovation coming out of Wright Airplanes. The last truly succesful product they made, please correct me if I'm wrong, was the Wright Cyclone, a large radial engine used in WWII aircraft.

  16. Re:What kind of jet? by xlv · · Score: 3, Informative
    A) What kind of jet is he using?

    B) How is he storing all that fuel?

    Both answers can be found in the plane description at http://www.virginatlanticglobalflyer.com/Aircraft/ Introduction/index.jsp:
    The aircraft is a trimaran-like construction with two huge external 'booms' which hold the landing gear, and 5,454 pounds of fuel on either side of the pilot's cockpit in the centre on top of which is the single Williams turbofan jet engine.

  17. Re:What kind of jet? by spankey51 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "Jet" or "gas turbine" is a turbofan engine similar to those fitted to small corporate aircraft like Learjets... They are not gas hogs.
    To be clearer: they are at low altitudes. At 45,000 feet (Global Flyer's cruising altitude,) the fuel efficiency is impecable.

    Fuel is stored in tanks in the wings, pontoons and forward fuselage... basically, the plane is a fishtank for a couple hours until he can get some fuel out of the wings and make it into a more "flyable" bomb.

    If internal compustion engines were more efficient than gas turbines, why weren't they implemented in the airline industry?

    Furthermore, I'd much rather have a turbine because they have so few moving parts... the simplest have one! Less to breakdown on you while you are pissing out the window into an infinite void of pacific waves 45,000 feet below...

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  18. Re:Sleep on 80 hr flight? by Tobril · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know how that guy is going to stay awake, but there is a student pilot here on campus that is making the same trip in a mod for Microsoft flight sim 2004. He has a plasma screen, cool joystick, a chair, and has to stay there and simulate the entire 80 hour trip. We are going to bug the hell out of this guy to keep him awake, too bad the real global flier pilot doesn't have an entire campus to inflict jackassery upon him.

  19. Re:Bathroom? by Chris+Daniel · · Score: 4, Funny
    Hows he use the bathroom? Hope he doesn't get diarehha...

    You mean you hope he doesn't fly over your house ;-)

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  20. Re:How far south do you have to be? by Panaflex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read here

    The FAI's rules state that a record attempt like this must start and finish at the same airfield and cross all meridians of the globe. What's more the course must not be less than the very precise figure of 36,787.559 kilometres (around 23,000 miles) which is equal in length to the Tropic of Cancer.

    They're going to try to catch the most wind they can.. so there will be some deviation in the flight plans I'm sure as they follow the currents.

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  21. Re:Speed? by Jozer99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The plane is very light, hence very fragile. It can only handle incredibly low accelerations, turning and altitude changes without snapping appart. Also, the small jet engine is operating at the speed at which it has maximum effiency, which is not that fast. Think of it like cars: An F1 race car goes over 200 mph, but need refuling every mile or two. A VW Lupo maxes out at like 75 mph, but gets 70 MPG, or 600 miles per tank.

  22. It's not a jet, it's a turbofan. by psydragn · · Score: 4, Informative

    The GlobalFlyer is actually powered by a turbofan, not a jet. These engines use a jet engine to spin a fan which produces the majority of the thrust. Air entering the cowling is divided between entering a the compressor intake and (the majority) bypasses the compressor and is blown out by the fan. A minority percentage of the thrust actually comes from the combustion gases. Turbofans are what move commercial airliners. In a true jet powered craft, all the thrust comes from combustion gases.

  23. Re:Yeah, I thought the same... ;-) by ptbarnett · · Score: 4, Informative
    At the time they landed it was reported that they had enough fuel to fly most of the way across the U.S.

    At the time that they landed, they thought they had enough fuel to fly most of the way across the US. I was watching the live coverage, and I remember it. It wasn't until after they drained/dipped the tanks that they realized they were running so short on fuel.

    A few gallons would probably have been all that they needed to do this. At that point the thing was mostly a glider.

    The Voyager flew most of the time only on the Continental IOL-200 rear engine. It's an unusual engine, so fuel flow specs aren't easily found, but the Continental O-200 from which it was derived consumes 5.5-6 gallons/hour (or 33-36 lbs/hour) at cruise. The IOL-200 is more efficient, but not enough to make a substantial difference in endurance with only 6 of fuel. That's usually over the range of 50% to 75% power, which is what aviation engines cruise at. Outside that range, they are not very efficient.

    You can get some idea of Voyager's average fuel flow from:

    http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/ruta nvoy.htm

    They lifted off with 7,011 lbs of fuel. They landed with 48 lbs (8 gallons). Having flown 24,986 miles in just a bit over 216 hours, that's 3.6 miles per lb of fuel, or 32 lb/hour. Using those average numbers, they weren't going to get much further on 48 lbs of fuel.

    Of course as you point out, they had burned off most of their gross weight. But the reduced weight would only reduce the induced drag. It wouldn't have reduced the parasitic drag. So, the increased fuel efficiency would not be as large as the difference in the gross weight. There's no way they could have kept the engine running for 3000+ miles on 8 gallons of gas.

    And I can tell you from personal experience (I have a glider rating on my pilot certificate), even the highest performance glider won't cover any significant portion of the distance across the continental US in the absence of power or lift in the form of thermals or mountain waves. And the Voyager wasn't designed to fly any distance without power.

  24. Impressive, but wait what Boeing has planned. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've heard that Boeing wants to demonstrate the extreme long range of the new 777-200 Long Range model by doing what could be the longest flight ever by a standard jet engine airliner.

    Remember, the 777-200LR can fly over 9,000 nautical miles with a standard passenger load and a slightly-reduced cargo load with extra fuel tanks; imagine stripping down a 777-200LR so you can can get the weight equivalent of the cabin fittings and cargo load in extra fuel load. Pre-cool all that Jet A fuel and this modified 777-200LR could probably travel over 13,000 nautical miles easily, though a round-the-world non-stop flight is probably out of the question.

  25. Re:What kind of jet? by Alioth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In terms of thermodynamic efficiency, the best engines in general use were the massive 'corncob' engines used in piston engined airliners. Not jet (turbofan engines) - well, with one notable exception of course.

    The reason why airliners went to jets rather than staying with the more fuel efficient piston engines is that turbine engines (not just jets, but turboprop engines) are much smaller and lighter for a given amount of horsepower. Piston engines large enough to power an airliner the size of a B777 would be impractially large, even if they were actually fuel efficient. Additionally, propeller driven aircraft can't fly at high percentages of the speed of sound very well.

    Until fairly recently, turbine engines were really horrible when it came to fuel efficency. Small turbines still are pretty awful - compare the fuel burn of a Piper Malibu with the piston engine with the Piper Malibu with the Jetprop DLX conversion. The Jetprop DLX conversion is worse in every respect *except* for the weight of the engine and the reliability and the vibration levels (turbines tend to be a lot more reliable). It burns a hell of a lot more fuel and costs a hell of a lot more to maintain. It's only with the giant turbofans that power the B777 have jet engines got anywhere close to piston engines for thermodynamic efficiency. And the huge engines the B777 are fitted with are pretty damn efficient.

    The one notable exception is Concorde. At supersonic speeds, its straight turbojet engines were the most thermodynamically efficient turbine engines ever made, and to my knowlege they still hold that title. This is one of the reasons why Concorde was an (engineering, not commercial!) success, but the Russian Tu-144 was not; the Tu-144 couldn't even maintain supersonic speed without running afterburners. Concorde could supercruise at Mach 2. (Also, contrary to popular belief, the Tu-144 was not a copy of Concorde, it was only superficially similar to Concorde but was different in almost every other important respect).