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In Which OS Do You Feel More Productive?

HTMLChecker asks: "I found an article in which the author talks about how she is more productive using Mac OS X. What about the people of Slashdot? Where do you feel more productive, in Linux? Windows? DOS? Mac OS X? Also, what is the best way to rate productivity in an OS?"

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  1. Easy. by Maradine · · Score: 5, Funny
    Also, what is the best way to rate productivity in a OS?"

    By the sheer number of FPS titles available native to the platform.

    Inversely, of course.

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    1. Re:Easy. by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, what is the best way to rate productivity in a OS?

      By whether or not it comes by default with a firewall that blocks TCP connections to Slashdot?

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    2. Re:Easy. by qewl · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's all subjective-

      Linux user:
      "Soo.. bored of being 'productive'.. must entertain.. self.. I know, I'll recompile my OS with a test kernel again.. it'll only take.. a little while.. yea.. that's being productive!"

      Windows user:
      "Soo.. bored of being 'productive'.. must entertain.. self.. I know, I'll play solitaire for the next.. little while.. and then blow up a hundred monsters in Doom.. yea.. that's being productive!"

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    3. Re:Easy. by bigman2003 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That was coke with a 'little' c, right? Because I get be productive for DAYS on that stuff. The other junk just makes me want to pee.

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    4. Re:Easy. by InadequateCamel · · Score: 5, Funny

      FPS my ass. There are no (well, WERE no) video cards capable of doing that in the typical office.

      No my friend, thou had best be wary of the Terrible Time-wasting Triumvirate.

      Doom, you say?
      Half-Life?
      Quake?
      Nay.

      Solitaire. Freecell. Minesweeper.

      Hands-down the most destructive weapons ever wielded by the Hell-Spawned Demons of Computer Procrastination, these Three sit atop the Procrastination empire, answering only to Alcoholicus, Girlfriendlor and the Weed & Pizza twins.

    5. Re:Easy. by Xyrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Loaded question. You are always more productive in the environment you are familiar with.

      ~X~

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    6. Re:Easy. by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      Windows user forced to use Linux at work: "Um..."

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    7. Re:Easy. by elfurbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obviously it would be a complete waste of your brain to realize those exist on Windows and OS X as well. Terminals are pretty easy to come by, OS X has one, PuTTY is nice and free on Windows, Firefox is on all three now, so I'd call that a tabbed browser, Thunderbird is as robust as I've ever needed an IMAP mail client to be, I've got rsync and mysql on my Powerbook, and I've installed them on my XP desktop before, though they were both casualties of the last format.

      If you're comfortable with Linux, that's your choice, but you haven't mentioned a single thing that necessitates the use of desktop linux if you didn't want it. Expressing a preference is one thing, making it seem like a forgone conclusion is quite another.

      I find my OS relatively removed from my productivity, after certain settling-in pains. Once I've got my OS customized to my liking, it's irrelevant which one I'm using for day to day work. I can code just as efficiently on Windows as OSX as Linux. Now that my most used apps (Firefox and Thunderbird) are tri-platform mostly-identical, as long as I can launch them and find a terminal with vim, the world is my oyster. If I need something advanced, I've never had any trouble getting it installed, ie: Apache on Windows, MySQL on OSX, recompiling PHP under Linux...whatever. I get the job done.

    8. Re:Easy. by jc42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Obviously it would be a complete waste of your brain to realize those exist on Windows and OS X as well. Terminals are pretty easy to come by, OS X has one, PuTTY is nice and free on Windows, ...

      Yeah, and I was expecting to find an explanation of why the common operations in a terminal window are as easy on OS X as on linux (or any X-Windows system). I've been using a Mac for a year or so, and I keep finding that nearly everything that I do is possible, but much slower than on any X-Windows box. It's partly that dumb 1-button "mouse", but there are other problems, too.

      I was disappointed that the article only explained why OS X was more productive than Windows. Hell, I knew that. Watching over the shoulder of expert Windows developers is painfully slow. Yeah, you can do everything that you need to do, but it takes so many keystrokes and/or mouse events.

      The simplest example is copy-and-paste. You can always do this. But the X-Windows scheme is quick and simple (and doesn't involve the keyboard at all); just three quick clicks or a click-swipe-release-click. OSX is materially slower, though slightly faster sometimes than Windows.

      Similarly, linux and other X-Windows systems implements focus-follows-pointer, and doesn't insist on raising a window when it gets focus. This is a huge time saver when you get used to it. As far as I can tell, neither Windows nor OS X permits this. And they don't have a way to lower a window either; in X-Windows it's a single click. This means that you can push a window to the bottom when you're done with it, and get quickly to the next window. With Windows or OS X, you have to go through a real song and dance to locate and raise a hidden window (which you often didn't want to hide).

      Now, I know I could put an X server on OS X. I haven't, because I've been trying to avoid falling back to what I know. I wanted to give OS X a chance to show how wondereful it was. So far, frankly, it hasn't been all that wonderful. Nearly everything is slower and clumsier than on my linux box. And when I ask Mac experts what I'm doing wrong, they usually tell me that I'm doing it right.

      The one thing that I'd say is better on OS X is drag-and-drop. But even there, I keep trying it, and it either doesn't do anything at all (most often), or sometimes does something different than what I want. It's better than both Windows and linux, but still not all that good, and I can't find many time that I can actually use it while writing software. Dragging text between windows doesn't much work; you have to use copy-and-paste.

      Resizing windows on OS X is a real pain, because you can only do it by adjusting the lower-right corner.

      Also, it's not just that I'm a dummy. I do keep trying to watch the experts. Windows experts are agonizingly slow, with lots of extra motions for everything. OS X experts are noticably faster, but it's still painful to watch.

      It's always a relief to get back to an X-Windows box, where I don't feel like I'm swimming in molasses whenever I try to do something.

      Maybe I should give up and install an X server on my PB. If it's still clumsy after a year of experimenting and asking the experts, I've wasted too much time with it. I'd want to get a 3-button mouse, too; too bad I can't replace the PB's button with 3 little buttons.

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  2. OS X by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To those of us that have either been on the platform for a while (or since the beginning), or have already switched from another platform to OS X, this article will not provide much that we do not already know. However, for those not familiar with OS X, it is a pretty good read. I have used many platforms in parallel for years from the early days of the PC revolution (Apple ][, Macintosh, TRS-80, Commodore, Amiga, Atari, Compaq, Windows) to the later workstations (Sun, SGI, NeXT) and have my likes and dislikes for all of them. Having said that however, my preference has fallen on OS X. It is sooo easy to use, is truly plug and play, is more stable, more secure, has most of the GUI and CLI integration a geek could want as well as a pretty good selection of software that makes things either 1) more enjoyable and/or 2) more productive.

    For a long while, I had multiple systems on or under my desk, peaking at one time with an SGI Octane, PowerMac 9600, Windows NT, and a Linux box to perform my scientific work, serve a website, do graphics work and general productivity. All of that functionality now exists beautifully in one OS X machine freeing up considerable desktop space. Also, thank goodness for flat panel displays! I serve a couple of websites up on my workstation as well as use it for computational calculations, a front for distributed computing, writing papers, doing graphics for figures and illustrations, preparing presentations etc...etc...etc...

    No other platform offers this degree of ease of use combined with flexibility and functionality.

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    1. Re:OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uh, huh. Yeah. Steve Jobs personally signs off on the "functionality" of the Home/End key before each version of OS X ships.

      The question is: What the fuck are you thinking?

    2. Re:OS X by therevolution · · Score: 5, Informative

      Doesn't work properly, or doesn't work how you expect it to? Two different things...

      Anyway, what you want is Command+LeftArrow and Command+RightArrow. That goes to beginning of line and end of line, respectively, on OS X.

    3. Re:OS X by joh · · Score: 5, Informative
      I like OS X, but every time I've used it I am amazed that Home/End doesn't work properly.

      Create a file ~/Library/KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict with this content:

      /* Home/End keys like Windows */
      {
      "\UF729" = "moveToBeginningOfLine:"; /* home */
      "\UF72B" = "moveToEndOfLine:"; /* end */
      "$\UF729" = "moveToBeginningOfLineAndModifySelection:"; /* shift + home */
      "$\UF72B" = "moveToEndOfLineAndModifySelection:"; /* shift + end */
      }

    4. Re:OS X by michaeldot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You make an interesting point, but it sounds to me like you have a fixed idea of how an interface should behave and are going to roundly criticize anything that doesn't conform to that.

      Personally, I wouldn't like my Panther system to have ANY of the features you regard as critical:

      • I find a common, fixed position, always there menubar is a great feature.
      • Apps that need fullscreen can go fullscreen - PowerPoint, Keynote, VLC, DivX player, etc, etc. Having windows lose their title bars is available through 3rd party shareware programs. I don't agree that Apple should make it standard - I don't want it, neither do I suspect do most users.
      • Firefox could do what these above apps do if they really wanted, but it's simply not a "Macintosh thing to do" to have windows entirely take over the screen. To their credit, Firefox tends to follow GUI conventions on each of the platforms they support.
      • I find case-insensitive filenames make much more sense when dealing with publishing media, eg large numbers of images which may be sourced from digital cameras / emails from clients / FTP sites / etc. Their filenames all have a habit of flipflopping case. I DO NOT WANT THEM TO BECOME DIFFERENT FILES.
      • Get used to it, XML storage is the way of the future,.

      Treating these choices as "utterly asinine" and "engineers have a track record of making really stupid decisions" really just demonstrates your own point of view.

      If you want that flexibility, that's really one of the great strengths of LInux. I think you've answered the Slashdot topic's question!

    5. Re:OS X by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, everything DOES "just work through the GUI". But when you want to change key bindings to be congruent with what YOU want, rather than how Apple has done it for the last 20 years, you can do that too.

      What's the problem here?

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    6. Re:OS X by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OSX/Windows people don't care about changing their keymaps to UNIX "standards". People who care about UNIX keymaps can handle editing a text config file.

      Again...what's the problem here? Isn't a powerful, usable, flexible OS what we're all after?

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  3. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My productivity shoots up as soon as I see a Bash prompt.

  4. Any OS by sport_160 · · Score: 5, Funny

    that does not allow me to read slashdot all day.

  5. XP wins. by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can open an average of 14 infected mails every minute, click on the atatchments and have them procreating in seconds, without having to save them, make them executable, then fiddle about trying to get them to run under Wine. Match that on any other OS.

  6. Please, invite a flamewar by the_Librarian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, really, Slashdot doesn't have enough rabid platform advocacy and name-calling. By all means let's put this on the front page and drum up some more.

    Serious research is one thing, trolling for a flamewar is another.

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  7. KISS by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    PalmOS 5. On my Treo 650 smartphone. The total integration, mobility, and preconfig'd apps for specific tasks - along with the dearth of options when things go wrong, except trying again, make it the perfect tool. It's practically invisible, while I'm communicating with people around the world, who don't need to have any equipment more special than a regular phone, or maybe any kind of email or web browser.

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  8. It depends by dretay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally it is not so much the operating system as the window manager. I use fluxbox becase I like being able to scoll between virtual desktops with my mouse scroll wheel. The advantage of Linux is that you have tons of window managers to choose from, as opposed to Windoze of OSX where you are limited to the one provided.

  9. Windows by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because it has Visual Studio, which is the best IDE out there (in my opinion, of course).

  10. Nintendo. by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have achieved more accomplishments on a Nintendo then anywhere else. Including real life.

  11. Re:DOS? by dustinbarbour · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is something to be said for the command line. I don't have a window manager on my Debian box and I always seem to get done what needs to be done. With Windows, I find myself up until 2am browsing the Internet for random shit. All because its available. I guess that makes me an Internet junkie.. I really should fix that. Anyway.. CLIs make me most productive 'cause of the lack of distraction.

  12. Where do you feel more productive?? by hawkbug · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do you feel more productive?

    Behind a firewall that blocks port 80 :)

  13. Well that's a silly question by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First it would depend on what a person does. I'd imagine someone working in prepress would be rather unproductive in Linux, given the lack of tools, but the same would not be true of a PERL developer.

    However, generally, people are the most productive in the environment they are the most comfortable in. They know it, understand it, and thus can use it effectively. So Linux people will be the most productive in Linux, Mac people in OS-X, and so on. I'm also willing to bet that any of those people, properly retrained and acclimated to a new OS, would be basically equally productive, provided the new OS provided the same quality of tools.

    For most jobs, a computer is just a tool that gets things done. When you get down to it, the OS holy-wars don't matter since most of what is talked about doesn't affect normal user productivity in a noticable way.

    It's different than saying what OS is the best technical solution for a given problem. For example UNIX/Linux have a better text-mode remote access soltuion. An SSH terminal is nearly as good as being at the console. Not so with Windows, you need a graphical remote desktop session, there's a lot you can't do command line. Thus if text mode access is technicly better for a soltuion (perhaps bandwidth is extremely limited), then clearly a UNIX base is a better idea, for that factor at least.

    But trying to ask which OS is generally more productive is just flamebait. All the zealots are going to say their OS is the fastest/easiest/most powerful and will probably have irrelivant personal anecdotes about how they can't deal with other OSes. In reality they are all different ways of doing thigns, with good points and bad points, and it's mostly just learning one and becomming proficient with it.

    Riding a bike isn't a natural activity. You don't just sit down and do it. None the less, once learned and practised, it's literally second nature. Likewise no OS is so intuitive that all people can use it isntantly as though they'd been doing it their whole life, in part because what is intuitive vaires by person. However once you are used to the methods, you can get quite productive with all the majors.

  14. Whatever you know... by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would define productivity as the ability to get your work done quickly with the least effort. For any given individual, this will be whatever system they are already familiar with. If that's Windows, Mac, or Linux for you, then that's what it is.

    In absolute terms, I think the best productivity would be whatever OS or environment where the tools are forgotten about and your attention is solely focused on the task you are trying to accomplish. I think this might also be tempered by how long it takes to become an expert on the system (and how much effort is required to maintain that status).

    Probably command line Unix type environments used by experts who really know the system are the have the highest level of productivity (most useful results for the least efforts). However, it takes a long time and lots of effort to become extremely proficient on the Unix command line.

    Plus, comparing them like that is only valuable if you have no experience with computers or else want to maximize your efficiency in the long term at the cost of learning a new system.

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  15. The OS isn't relevant by sandman935 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares what OS you use?

    It seems to me that most users choose their applications first and then find an OS that supports them, not the other way around.

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  16. Love my Mac, but ... by Chuckstar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that Mac and Windows are both good enough now that the most important thing is which one you are used to. I use Mac at home and Windows at work. I am much faster at Office for Windows, because I use it all day and am used to the keyboard shortcuts in Windows. I can surf the internet faster [I almsot typed "more efficiently", but didn't think that made sense] at home because I am familiar with the Safari shortcuts and have a mouse with extra buttons that I configured for forward, backward and open in new window.

    Neither machine crashes very often. Neither has required maintenance voodoo. Each has certain OS features that I prefere over the other. [I hate window-in-window style of Windows applications. I prefer Windows Taskbar to the Dock.] The work machine has some weird remote access settings that IT occassionally tweaks when they modify our network.

    I don't use Linux. [I know, what am I doing on Slashdot? :) ]

  17. I'm a switcher, by MasterOfUniverse · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I finally switched from windows to Mac OS recently (thanks to mac mini). I absolutely love it. Here are few things that I noticed.

    1)No popups from background windows poping up in the front, like in firefox or safari. If there is a popup in a different tab's page, it will not popup in front if im not focused on that page.

    2) Faster bootup time.

    3) when I shut down my computer, I can just click shut down and go away. In windows sometimes there would be a popup waiting for me to click. So I can't leave unless I the blue windows screen.

    4) Expose..enough said

    5) I have been using this for more than a month now and my Mini only got stuck once. Once! take that windows!

    6) No need to install anti-virus software (yet)

    7) No worries about the registry hell!

    8) I donno why but all the programs (not just apples) works the way they are suppose to work! This is a very strange feeling. In windows world, I never expected programs to run the way they are suppose to.

    9) this is just a small thing I noticed, but in real player ( sorry I have to use it), suppose I'm watching a video and shut it down in the middle. The next time i start that video I will see a mark where I left off the last time. This is a small thing but, if you are regular video watch like I, this is very very helpful.

    I can keep going and going and going, but seriously, I can't imagine why I did not switched sooner . I'm planning on getting imac pretty soon (and give my mac mini to my dad or something)

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  18. This is a bunch of BS by mr.newt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, the main problem she cites with GNU/Linux is her constant urge to upgrade, and how upgrading in the particular distribution she chose breaks things. By the time we reach the OS X-fawning section of the article, her urge to constantly upgrade seems to have completely vanished. If she's ok with sitting still on a single version of her desktop manager, the problems she mentioned with KDE simply vanish.

    Second, the majority of the issues she complains about with Windows are settings. That means, if you don't like the way it's set up, you can just change it. Since many people obviously don't share her (somewhat bizarre) preferences, this can only be a good thing.

    Lastly, I think I'll simply mention the fact that she refers to GUI design choices (which happen to align with her own ideas) as "logical." What a joke.

    It so happens that the very features she's so gleeful about annoy me to no end. I wouldn't give up GNU/Linux running XFCE 4 for anything, but I certainly wouldn't spew a load of crap onto the internet about how "logical" the design choices in XFCE are, because that is, in itself, illogical.

  19. OS/2.... by Atomic+Frog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really. I daily swap in and out between Solaris, WinXP, Linux and OS/2.

    By far, OS/2 stays out of the way the most so I can focus on how to do the job within a particular application or task.
    OS/2 is equally comfortable and useable either by pure command-line or pure GUI. Currently all the *NIX really suck if you wanted to go pure GUI.
    (Go ahead, try one week without ever opening up a command-line prompt in *NIX and see how far you get).

    WinXP, on the other hand, is a bitch when I go command-line, for whatever reason. Mostly because most of the tools, and Billy, don't expect the user to go there. Or something.

    If I had to jump ship, I'd go OS X.

  20. Ugh by Mshift2x · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hate my mac. I set the thing up, power it on and it just works. I don't need to install all kinds of software, upgrade drivers and put on millions of security updates? I mean, without those, what's the point?

  21. Re:Which hat am I wearing? by porcupine8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, duh. Your slashes are going the wrong way for Windows. Jeez.

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  22. Re:Easy...Ninnle! by yack0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's see if they sneak up on you and get big while you're ignoring them.

    I too thought that Apple was just niche market, nothing but. Graphics, publishing, edu. That was it. And really, before OS X, I pretty much considered they sucked.

    Of course, now they make a product that fits my niche, that of a network guy with an open source leaning.

    It's really the best of both worlds. It's the shiny interface that I'd buy for someone like my father or brother and it's got that raw powerful system behind it that I can open up into even in their version of Terminal.

    This is half rhetorical and half serious, but please don't take it as a personal criticism, but "How many niches will they have to fit in before they become big enough?" :)

    BTW, might want to get rid of that immediate link to the DVD copy crack on your site, http://brainglass.com/downloads.htm Them there RIAA, MPAA and SPA folks are monitoring this site, ya know. :)

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