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Game Makers Could Be Liable For Violent Games

Christopher Reimer writes "KOMO 4 News of Seattle, Washington, is reporting that state law makers are considering a bill that would make video game companies liable for illegal activity that players under 17 are responsible for. From the article: 'Should the people who make and sell "violent video" games be held accountable if someone commits a crime because of playing them?'"

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  1. Anyone but.... by Rolan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets blame anyone and everyone but the kid and his parents... After all, why should the parents have any involvement in what their kids are doing? Blame it on those damn games!

    Give me a break, just more stupid laws.

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    1. Re:Anyone but.... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The supreme court just ruled that minors are not totally responsible for their own actions.... at least not to the extent that adults are.

      If we accept this logic, then we must also accept the conclusion that minors should not be exposed to influences that might cause them to go "over the edge".

      I am not saying I agree with the SD decision, but one must have consistent logic...

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    2. Re:Anyone but.... by Rolan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If we accept this logic, then we must also accept the conclusion that minors should not be exposed to influences that might cause them to go "over the edge".

      And it's the game companies' responsibilty to not expose them to it? Bull. It's the parents' responsibility. The games are clearly marked for the age ranges they are intended for, if parents let others play the games, then the parents and child are responsible.

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    3. Re:Anyone but.... by Rev+Wally · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, as gov't is becoming more paternalistic towards children, it only follows that everyone is going to have to take a larger responsiblity in ensuring children aren't exposed to this type of contect as well. Don't be so complacent about letting that happen. Think about it: if the gov is more involved in how my children are raised, it follows that what values I teach my children will be regulated by said gov. think my wife and I are going to have a hard enough time finding common ground between our two belief systems, and how we want to raise our kids, let alone trying to parent by mass-majority.

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    4. Re:Anyone but.... by Nathonix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen, sing it brother. This is the one thing i preach more than anything, the rating system is there for a reason, and the parents need educated. Dont attack the videogame industry for things that the parent should be monitoring. games are all in good fun, but these people could be ruining one of the most influential medias of our age for the newer generations. God save these law makers.

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    5. Re:Anyone but.... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LOOK at the Japanese! They play video games to the most insane degree, and they have the lowest crime rate in the world.

      Are we Americans this stupid. Blame the parent first, school second, the kid third. Don't even put video game in the same list.

  2. Can I be the first to say... by Admiral+Ackbar+8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

    1. Re:Can I be the first to say... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Assume I am a violent person, with psychopathic disorder.

      I like to play violent games

      I am occasionally violent towards real people, and their pets

      Must be the game/movie/Janet Jackson that is th eroot of my problems, not being the product of the same culture that produces these other artefacts.

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  3. Personal Responsibility? by bStrom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sweet! I'm going to Washington.

    "What?? I only stole cars because I play [insert video game here]."

    Too bad I'm not 17 anymore....

    What happened to personal responsibility? Also, how do you determine if kids were going to break the law whether or not they played the video game? It's just ridiculous.

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  4. It's not the fault of the company... by RootsLINUX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they clearly label a game "Mature" and some fool sells it to a kid. The one responsible should be the seller, because the company clearly made the game for an audience that was old enough to understand the implications of doing such things in real-life. Same thing can be said for kids who sneak into R-rated movies. Or kids that smoke underage, or drink, or get porn. Would you seek penalties against the movie production/tobacco/alcohol/porn company that made the material in those cases? No!

    The problem here is that there is no strict enforcement on the game maturatiy rating system, not with the developers for making mature and violent games.

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  5. no shit "c'mon"! by Naikrovek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article: 'Should the people who make and sell "violent video" games be held accountable if someone commits a crime because of playing them?'

    k for the last time - no one commits a crime because of playing a video game. no one. not anywhere, ever, under any circumstances. if you commit a crime after playing a video game, you were going to commit a crime anyway. i've played a LOT of very, very violent video games and never once have i ever even considered reproducing the game in real life. if you do, you have issues beyond any video game or television program...

    its basic psychology. you are either inclined to commit crime or you're not, and if you are, its usually because you were psychologically damaged as a child.

    lets do something about parents who abuse their kids and raise murderers instead of trying to create a law that criminalizes a harmless video game.

    1. Re:no shit "c'mon"! by Godman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basic psychology would also suggest that violent video games can prevent violent crimes, by giving kids an outlet for their aggression and anger. The silicon chip doesn't care if you call it a name....

      Lawmakers should go back to doing stuff like worrying about the war or something.

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  6. Parents??? by turtled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    law makers are considering a bill that would make video game companies liable for illegal activity that players under 17

    What happened to the parents??? I have a 4 year old, and I am involved in everything he does. I plan on that staying like that til he's 18~25 or whenever. I need to protect him from propaganda like this crap. (and, not the games, the lawmakers).

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  7. No. But a better question would be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Can video game companies be held liable for marketing their M-rated games to kids?

  8. Re:How about we blame the perp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If only there was a "-5 Preaching to the Goddamn Choir" mod. Why do you people all get so angry on slashdot, for god's sake? Do you all just like validation that much?

  9. Enough is enough by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has gotten out of hand , the scape goating and Buck passing mentality of these people is truely juvinile .
    First off , if you want to blame anyone for your children commiting crime , i would take a long hard look at yourself.
    Sure they may immitate a game , but if it had not of been the game it would of been a movie , a cartoon or even a book.
    I have played games like Grand theft auto , Counter strike, Manhunt , Eternal darkness and DOOM , I dont worship satan , i have a clean criminal record and have no urges to go out and car jack someone , paint Pentegrams on my forehead or blow people to bits(although if i had a rocket launcher and a clean sight at the RIAA offices ...).
    Infact non of my freinds have , Im well beyond that age range now , but even when i was 12 or so , i used to play games that were just as violent , they were fun and still are .
    Children still play cops and robbers , or cowboys and indians ,Run around shooting each other and playing dead ,they have played these types of games in the plagrounds for years and will continue to , and these games simulat just as violent situations , yet we view them as more holesome.
    nothing new here , just some politians trying to ride there way to greater office on the back of a whitch hunt

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  10. basic psychology by Mad_Rain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Basic psychology would also suggest that violent video games can prevent violent crimes, by giving kids an outlet for their aggression and anger.

    I think you were asleep when that lecture came up. Psychological researcher Albert Bandura found out in his studies of aggression in children that catharsis (getting a feeling of relaxation after an act of violence) doesn't work.

    Say when you feel angry at something, you decide to punch a pillow. When you get more angry, you hit the pillow harder. But eventually, you build up a tolerance and you need to do more to get the same effect (kind of like being on drugs). Eventually you get from punching a pillow to stabbing it. Bandura (and other psychologists) hypothesize that some people (in particular, very young children) might move from imitating that behavior in a video game to imitating that behavior at play, and then in real life. (See his "Bobo Doll" Study).

    Now the difference between children and (most) adults is that adults have learned somewhere along the line that committing violent acts does not a)have a big reward at the end of it, and b)there is a consequence to committing those violent acts.

    While I might agree with you that violent video games do not cause adults (without a previous history of violence) to act violently, I don't think I can say the same about children. And I definately disagree with you that "basic psychology" says that violent video games reduces violent urges.

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  11. Re:How about we blame the perp? by weapon · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Why not blame the 2nd Amendment, after all it has served it's purpose, USA have a large army, they don't need most citizens to be able to own guns.

    Here in Australia, you need to be a member of a gun club, or require a gun for work to own a gun, you must keep the gun in a safe, and can only carry it in public going to or from a club meeting (or at work, if it is for work). Not only that but you cannot own semi's or autos, etc etc. we dont have large amounts of shooting murders like you do in the states.

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