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N-Gage to Get Another Overhaul

MSNBC has the news that the ever unpopular N-Gage not only isn't going into that good night, but it's going to be receiving a redesign sometime in the future. From the article: "We're looking at new colors, a new look and feel for the QD in the next few months,"

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  1. Good idea! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

    New colors will TOTALLY fix the problem of it being a crappy gaming unit but also a crappy phone!

    The N-Gage has pretty much failed, and no matter what color you make it, it cannot be saved.

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    1. Re:Good idea! by fubarific · · Score: 1

      There's always money to be made in prolonging the problem.

    2. Re:Good idea! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      Are they making any money, though? If you have a product that nobody buys, do you make money?

      I've only seen one and that was at the local Cingular shop, but where do you go to get games? If you can call bad graphics on a tiny screen with horrible color "gaming"

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    3. Re:Good idea! by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Let me assure you that it is not a crappy phone -- at least the original N-Gage isn't. Can't really speak for the QD, though I suspect you've never touched either model.

    4. Re:Good idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen qd's screen? bad colors? the screen is superb.

      though, where they make their money is selling phones. It's a series60 phone and almost identical in configuration with 3650/3660(cheap to make for them, just slap a new shell on an existing design, same cpu, same s60 version, just some extra ram).

    5. Re:Good idea! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 0

      Do you enjoy side-talkin?

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    6. Re:Good idea! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      actually..

      with sidetalking the screen doesn't get smeared, and the volume is loud enough if you wish to hold the normal way...

      but qd isn't sidetalking anyways.

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    7. Re:Good idea! by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      It is of no consequence. It's like refusing to use a computer because the mouse is the wrong colour.

    8. Re:Good idea! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      It would be like refusing to use a computer mouse if you had to hold it sideways and the only surface you could mouse on was the side of your head.

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  2. Not again... by Oen_Seneg · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this has gone on for too long. I'm going to go to the Autumn gaming shows in London, and find the new N-Gage will be the highlight of the show.

    Nokia, you're fighting a losing battle, give up now and go back to developing phones. And save those of us who have to go to these trade shows the embarassment of having to talk to you about a handheld console that we didn't think would work, and didn't work.

  3. Nokia's Commitment to N-Gage by MBraynard · · Score: 1

    The press - "Not going into the night" - is based on statements of Nokia marketers. This is not a valid base to believe that N-Gage will be with us much longer. Investments in new titles/developers would be - but just statements? I don't buy it.

  4. Re:Article text, in case of slashdotting by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The risks of MSNBC getting /.ed are very very slim. However, the risks of MSNBC going down because of an earthquake, a staffer tripping on a power cord or a staffer spilling a beverage into a server are quite good (Note: All 3 have happened to hotmail).

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  5. Queue the NGage Haters by Lemental · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Time for all the people who dont own an Ngage, never used one, or, used one shortly in a demo display to come forth and spew bile, FUD, and uninformed opinions.

    Because having ONE handheld game console would be just so swell and make innovation a MUST.

    1. Re:Queue the NGage Haters by Ghetto_D · · Score: 1

      Time for rash generalizations about Slashdot readers (no matter how true) Why not post a constructive argument such as " I'm an NGage owner who can't live without my NGage, I take it everywhere I go and love every game on it" I for one have never touched one. They're not appealing to me in any way. I have a cell phone which is much smaller and does its job. I also have a Gameboy SP which has a collection of some of my favorite snes games. I really doubt an interface update and new colors will sway me.

    2. Re:Queue the NGage Haters by Lemental · · Score: 1

      I am a former N-Gage owner. I liked it alot. I had to give it up due to being downsized.

      I own a DS now, and consider that my handheld of choice for now, though, when my wallet permist it, Im gonna get an old N-gage, taco talkin didnt bother me.

  6. Not going to help. by gimpynerd · · Score: 2

    Even if Nokia release something with specs that put the PSP to shame I doubt it would help them any. The fact that three well known handhelds (GBA SP, DS, and soon to be PSP) are already on the market proves this. When the console market had four consoles in the past one of them failed (Dreamcast). N-Gage would be this one because of its bad reputation and the fact that hardley anyone knows about it compared to the other three.

    1. Re:Not going to help. by Lemental · · Score: 1

      DS may be a seperate "Pillar" of Nintendo. Its still Nintendo. I think everyone will agree with me here, having one company have no competition in a marketplace will get you Pokemon colors til the cows come home.

    2. Re:Not going to help. by gimpynerd · · Score: 1

      Good point, in that case I would bring up the fact that previous attempts at handhelds by other companies (Wonderswan, Neo Geo) all failed even though they were better than the competition.

  7. and the list grows.... by theREALMcCoy · · Score: 1

    game gear atari lynx virtual boy neo geo pocket wonderswan N-Gage PSP... (did I say that?)

    1. Re:and the list grows.... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Ahhh.... not going to happen. PSP is the only handheld backed by a company with a major gaming console, PS2.

      Nintendo's gameboy made a name for itself in the 90s because it had SNES backing at the time. I am almost certain this is the biggest deciding factor/advantage that N-Gage will never have.

    2. Re:and the list grows.... by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      don't forget the Nomad!

    3. Re:and the list grows.... by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      Atari lynx? Keyword: Atari

    4. Re:and the list grows.... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I forgot the word "Successful" after console.

    5. Re:and the list grows.... by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      You missed DS.

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  8. fuck the games. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    n-gage: free supported official sdk's(c++), shitload of applications(including ssh client, web browsers, movie players), python scripting support(official too), j2me support, bluetooth, mmc support(1gb going at somewhere around 80 bucks)... even flash now if that's your cup of tea for development.

    should be a pretty good nerd toy, no? and a bargain at the price they're going at.

    (besides.. even one of the penny arcade guys admitted that the qd is a pretty fun device - but congrats on your newly acquired karma you're sure to get from posting what you posted, a post without any real information)

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    1. Re:fuck the games. by MBCook · · Score: 1
      I've got to admit that sounds very tempting. Especially the Python (my current favorite language). Too bad I have to use Sprint (good service, terrible phones).

      That said, I still can't see the thing as a game platform. I can see it as a geek toy, and I think they could have done better marketing it that way. But it will never be more much more than any other cellphone for games, I think. And I STILL don't get the portrait screen. Who decided on that? Square would be fine (the gameboy was square at ~160x160 pixels IIRC), 4:3 would be fine (that's what the GBA and DS are I think), and I can see the point of 16:9 (widescreen, like the PSP). But portrait? Portrait only seems good for three things: tennis, tetris, and galaxian. Maybe FPSes (on a phone???). But platformers are tough (not enough forward view, look at what they had to do for Sonic on the NGage), racers you don't get to see the road as wide, it just doesn't make sense to me.

      If they change it at all internally (IE more than just cosmetics, even slightly) I'd like to see the screen fixed (like I said, square would be good) and it would be easy to put borders around the older games and it shouldn't be too hard to make software that works with or without the extra realestate (even if it doesn't play as well).

      It just seems like they'll have a hard time making games that way (prove me wrong if you can, Nokia). That and price. No matter what you do it's still a cell-phone, and I don't want to pay $30+ for cellphone games (note I don't know what they cost). If most of them were more reasonable (say $10) I think they'd do better. And they could make more applications downloadable as an option if you have a large SD card (or whatever). That would be cool too.

      OK, those are my thoughts. And I got through everything wihtout mentioning the Taco at all.... oops.

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    2. Re:fuck the games. by MBCook · · Score: 1
      OK, I just RTFA (yeah yeah) and I saw they are thinking about making a CDMA version. That'd be fantastic. That would open up the console more (betwen CDMA and GSM, you have most everyone with a cell phone in the US in your market) and gives you Sprint and Verizon (two of the biggest).

      Now if they could just keep Sprint and Verizon from crippling it to death...

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    3. Re:fuck the games. by Dehumanizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      The portrait screen is there because, at the time, that's all that Series 60 supported, I believe.

      As for games, it depends on whether you think $30+ is fair for NON-cellphone games (GBA, PS2, PC, etc.). If you think that games are just something to fill a couple of minutes, then no - you're not a gamer, no matter the platform.

      Also, the N-Gage plays 3 kinds of games: Java games (usually $3 or less, but a bit limited), Symbian games (usually less than $10, but more powerful - think "better than Amiga / SNES") and full N-Gage games (they're the most expensive, come in MMC cards). These ones vary from the first batch, which was poor (Tomb Raider, Sonic N, etc.) to some brilliant stuff later (Pathway to Glory is reason enough to buy an N-Gage, IMHO, and Pocket Kingdom is great too).

      Add to that everything the other guy mentioned, and more (web browser (real thing, not just WAP), ssh client, email client, ebook reader, several emulators), and you see that I'm perfectly happy with my N-Gage. If they make a backwards-compatible one with a landscape screen and more powerful hardware, I'll buy one immediately.

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    4. Re:fuck the games. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      *It just seems like they'll have a hard time making games that way (prove me wrong if you can, Nokia). That and price. No matter what you do it's still a cell-phone, and I don't want to pay $30+ for cellphone games (note I don't know what they cost). If most of them were more reasonable (say $10) I think they'd do better. And they could make more applications downloadable as an option if you have a large SD card (or whatever). That would be cool too.*

      you can also play normal s60 games, it's a normal s60 system which is what makes it so versatile(and also why it shares the same screen dimensions). in fact some of the best games are just normal s60 phone games(there's a bunch of free s60 games too, like port of frozen bubble, bunch of tetris variants and the like).

      yeah the marketing sucked though.

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  9. Re:Article text, in case of slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *They said 'price cunt'...*

    cue beavis/butthead laugh here.

  10. Just quit. by dauthur · · Score: 0

    I think that Nokia should recall that horrible peice of silicon and plastic. It would save them plenty of money. They should also recall how Tim Buckley of Ctrl-Alt-Del had a bad experience, and even wrote a news post on how he should've bought an X-Box isntead. It's just logic. As of right now, a tiny phone/mp3 player/handheld gaming system just isn't practical... and it's damn well impractical to be able to play Red Faction on it. Who ever liked that game, anyways? The N-Gage just needs to die. Right now, they're just trying to make again fly something that never flew in the first place.

  11. My experiences by uncle_ben · · Score: 1

    I've been using the original n-gage for quite about 9 months now. All i can say is if you've never used one, you don't know what you're missing. I don't know about the n-gage hating lot but i carry around a cellphone whatever the occasion. I also like to be able to listen to music so i have a bigger MMC card in it with a few cds of music. It has a radio if i get bored of the mp3s i've got loaded at the time. If i wanted to make it a better music machine, i'd go out and buy a 70$ 1gig MMC to fit a few more cds. Lots better in my opinion than carrying around another device (say the suffle, that bloody shuffles your music (!)) for just listening to music. Also a plus is that you can actually hear your phone ring with your headset on. It actually comes with an USB cable so you can use it instead of carrying around a USB stick memory. Add to this Opera, Putty and a bunch of other useful apps and you have a winner (or it would be if people would give it fair chance). On the gaming side, there's not much to be said. The only game i've really played is Pathway To Glory demo, it was good but i doubt i'll ever buy a game for it. Anyways, this is just my 2 cents on this subject. Flame away.

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    1. Re:My experiences by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to flame you. It does seem like you are using your Ngage in much the same way as an ordinary smart phone (say palm or pocketpc) rather than as a gaming device.
      I use a PocketPC for various tasks including web browsing, terminal services, mp3 and video playback as well as game playing (especially through emulation).

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    2. Re:My experiences by Nintenfreak · · Score: 0

      Say, anyone know there the Bullshit modifier is on this thing? Seriously man, the N-Gage had a lot going for it, but there were too many things not going for it to be of any use.

  12. Please -- every vote counts by Tom7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sign my online petition to bring back Sidetalkin'!

  13. Why don't they just give up? by Mooga · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The N-Gage just sucks.

    The idea is good: a cellphone with kick butt games. But talking is hard and the games aren't to good (to my knolage).

    This is like the PDA/Cellphone combos. Good idea but no one can get them right. They are eather to big or they lack something. But mainly, as good of an idea as it is, people aren't ready for it. But if tomarrow someone came out with a something which can REALLY do both gaming and being a cell (and even a PDA) the thing could sell but no one can seem to make something that can do more then one thing well. It's sad really.

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    1. Re:Why don't they just give up? by Dehumanizer · · Score: 1

      So, you think it still has sidetalking, have never seen a game, can't spell "knolage", but still want to impress us with your wisdom? :)

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  14. Gumpei Yokoi Used To Change My Oil by King+Fuckstain · · Score: 1
    The Virtual Boy doesn't belong on that list. It was not a portable gaming unit.

    Furthermore, the N-Gage is in a unique position in that its market prescence may slowly rise over time as people sign new contracts with cell phone providers. For instance, when my contract runs out I may consider a N-Gage. Why not, right? The cost is going to be very similar to any other phone I choose and the feature list is fairly nice. This model for getting the N-Gage into the hands of consumers is substantially different than any of the other models you listed.

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  15. Unpopular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    the ever unpopular N-Gage

    Unpopular? Funny, there seems to be a story about it every week on slashdot.

    1. Re:Unpopular? by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      Haha, fanboy is seeing things.

  16. QD is not a bad phone by B00yah · · Score: 1

    Ok, the Original ngage was pretty damn crappy, with side talking, card changing, etc, all done very wrong. I personally said I would never get one..

    Two months ago it was time to get a new phone, and I looked at the ngage qd with an apprehensive eye, but found what is a very sound device for a very small price tag. My only beef is the lack of IR or USB connectivity, but it was probably time for me to switch to bluetooth anyway. With symbian on the device, I've been able to get some nice apps working (putty, aim/msn/y! messengers, etc), in addition to the games that I can get for it (i've yet to buy a card, but I have no shortage of games...the tony hawk that comes with it looks really nice and has pretty decent control).

    Although the original ngage had plenty of short comings, I think they are making up with it on the qd...some nice add ons won't hurt it, though colors won't save the poor phone.

  17. One thing. by boarder8925 · · Score: 1
    If Nokia wanted the N-Gage to have even a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding, there are two things they would have to do:
    • Make it so that you don't have to remove the battery, put the game in, and put the battery back in.
    • Mark the game-playing buttons. Every time I try to play an N-Gage at EB, I'm stuck trying to figure out which buttons let me play the game.
    1. Re:One thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant "Two things."

    2. Re:One thing. by Jakeypants · · Score: 1
      If boarder8925 wanted the post to have even a snowball's chance in hell of not being retarded, there are two things he would have to do:

      • Realize that both of the problems he listed have been addressed with the QD.
      • Shut the fuck up.
  18. jackass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    clearly you havnt even looked at the latest generation, side-talkin is old news, and you (and the mods who modded you up) are a jackass.

    1. Re:jackass by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 0

      What mod? Nobody modded me up except my old friend Mr. Karma.

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  19. pay attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you are going to publically bitch about something, at least get a damned clue about it first. the batter issue is long fixed with the next gen version.

    1. Re:pay attention by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

      Fine, then.

      Nokia needs mark the damn playing buttons.

    2. Re:pay attention by Dehumanizer · · Score: 1

      Gee, that must be why buttons 5 and 7, the ones used for games, are in a DIFFERENT COLOR and even have a DIFFERENT TEXTURE!

      <sigh> Why is it that every N-Gage hater has so *obviously* never tried one? They *still* bring up sidetalking all the time... :(

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  20. Mistake again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you meant:

    Nokia needs to mark the damn playing buttons.

  21. oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then slashdot's stupid system is the jackass, as am i ;)

  22. i agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok, we are agreed then. the button layout is... confusing, to say the least.