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Gnome 2.10 Released
Mad_Rain writes "The new version of Gnome (you know, the desktop of many Linux users?) has just been released. You can even try it out with a LiveCD (bittorrent link). There is a video player and CD-ripping utility included, and the all-important new splash screen!"
...are here.
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Packages are already in ubuntu hoary.
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just do an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade
As a windows user migrating over to linux, I really tried to get a good sense of which desktop was "better" and would be supported in the coming years. I was never able to get a good answer. Both have their pros and cons, and both have an enthusiastic user base. So I think both KDE and GNOME are with us for a good while now... which is a good thing!
That having been said, I use KDE.
In the past, while typing something into one application when suddenly your instant messenger offered a chat request from your friend, your words would be typed into the chat window. Imagine if you were typing your password at the time. This should no longer happen in GNOME 2.10.
Ahh, finally. This was the most annoying thing for the longest time. I actually had to change my password twice because I unintentionally IMed it to someone else. I'm actually surprised that they didn't fix this a long time ago. It was a usability/security nightmare.
The gnome.org site is apparently having a devil of a time keeping up with the bandwidth.
Give the CoralCache a try. Nice and speedy for me.
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Think of them more like IPs, you can have 127.0.0.1. Between 2.8 and 2.9 can come 2.8.1, 2.8.2, 2.8.2.1, and so on.
There are gnome-2.10-pre ebuilds in portage now but they are all hard-masked. The only issue in terms of emerging is unmasking them and getting a libgnomecups-0.2.0.ebuild into net-print. As far as how its working... well... I'm compiling :P
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I'm still waiting for a reasonable alternative to the underlying X server that isn't completely unheard of in 90% of the OSS world.
I'm not sure what you mean here, do you want a different implementation of the X protocol? If so, why not try Freedesktop.org's experimental XServer? It's quite a nice fast modular server. Are you looking for something other than X11 protocol? Then why not try DirectFB? DirectFB doesn't have enough supported applications for you? Why not try Quartz, which I imagine at least 90% of the OSS world as heard of. I don't really see a lack of options there.
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Most people I talk to who use Linux have expressed a strong preference for KDE over GNOME.
"My buddies think that KDE is better than Gnome" is moderated Informative? My faith in the public moderation system just dropped a notch.
they usually say that they think [KDE]'s crisper [than gnome] and the look is more consistent across applications.
Crisper? More consistent? Consistent in that everything starts with a K, perhaps. Consistencies fall apart after that. Gnome is designed around the principals of consistency and simplicity, requiring HIG conformance, and such. KDE is not. In Gnome, menus follow a design, preferences are always found in the same place, colors follow a pallete, etc. In KDE, none of this is the case.
If you just open a few applications side by side in KDE, take a screenshot, then do the same in Gnome, then compare the screenshots, the difference is very noticable. I'd show you some screenshots if my web-server-over-cable-modem could support a good slashdotting.
Most people using Linux today are geeks, and geeks appreciate KDE because every application offers a million different settings, where as on Gnome apps very little is configurable. That's a fine strength for KDE if that's what you want. And if you are desperately waiting on E17, you also clearly choose features over consistent, simple design.
There's no menu editor in Gnome 2.10. You have to edit text files. They'll have that one worked out in Gnome 2.12, I think.
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Why should they?
And why should Trolltech do it, they would immediately void their current business model.
I cannot open a file like http://www.marcusevans.com.au/pdf/413.pdf from any GNOME native application!
Using epiphany (as always). Clicked on the link. Chose "Open". gpdf popped up and opened it. And this is gnome 2.8.
Goneme was a project started in 2004 by someone who didn't like the placement of "accept" and "cancel" buttons and who spent countless hour trolling in osnews/slashdot. The only patch released is from July 2004, and it weights 24 KB. As it can be seen, the mailing list is full of everything except patches.
I only can define it as "dead project" - you really have to have something more than "button order preferences is wrong", "I hate windows registry" and "spatial nautilus is broken" to fork a project. Wow, "Mac OS X is better" - what a surprise. Tell me something I don't know. Not using gecko, use KHTML? Well...wow.
I'm not against forking projects, but this fork is ridiculous. No real reasons, real gnome problems are not mentioned, half of it can be solved by changing the default preferences and no code, etc etc
Can you, instead of a location on disk, put the internet address and have the application and open it? NOPE! That's what the parent meant.
The 2.12 release is what i'm excited about... the cairo implementation, better compositing support (aka transparency and shadows... fading in and out of windows etc), gstreamer, dbus, Beagle, Mono, memory reduction...
2.10 has some nice improvements and what one should consider as a release that smooths over some issues. But it's nothing terribly exciting and new. Hopefully 2.12 will be a release that blows people away.
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huh?
I use KDE, but I also have Gnome installed and neither one of them take up any screen real estate. Set your panels to autohide and you can, as I have done for years, use the whole 100% of the screen for whatever program your run.
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
Probably because next to nothing in KDE works unless the whole bloody thing is installed (at least in my experience) while Gnome is far more modular. The difference between a Gnome app and a KDE app is that, while the Gnome app will typically require GTK and maybe a few other Gnome packages to be installed, but will still run fine without Gnome, I've yet to see a KDE app that doesn't require all of QT, kde-base and kde-libs to run. Considering how long it takes to compile those packages (Gnome is far better than KDE in that respect) it really annoys me that I have to either include them in my regular updates even though I never touch KDE, or forfeit every QT app out there. Unfortunately, I've had to make the choice, and I've chosen the latter. Damn KDE.
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Many? As far as I know it's only the location dialog . I can't think of a good way to show it without clutering the dialog. At least it does not have the horizontal-scrolling-through-files "feature"...
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
Oh, and why wasn't a garnome link posted?
Here's what came out on the garnome list a few hours ago...
GARNOME 2.10.0
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(the 'pink fluffy bunny slippers are in my future' release.)
My God, we made it.
Aside from marking the first time a stable GARNOME release has come out on the same day that the GNOME release did -- This release incorporates the full GNOME 2.10 Desktop & Developer Platform, as well as so much extra, new and improved stuff
The differences between GARNOME 2.8.x and 2.10.x are huge, but in a nutshell:
* GNOME 2.10.0 desktop, platform and bindings releases.
* Evolution 2.2.0
* Mono 1.1.x and a bunch of wildly successful apps in their own right.
and yet, there's more -- geektoys (the collection of funkey GNOME apps that compliment your desktop) now includes:
* Tomboy (the most requested item in GARNOME to date)
* Beagle (all your indexing needs)
* Evince (PDF's and GNOME have never looked as good)
* Monkey Bubble
It should be noted that GARNOME wouldn't be possible without the dedicated band of testers i've amassed since taking over the project -- thanks to everyone who has contributed patches, bugreports or comments during the last release phase -- your support has been invaluable.
Tarball: ftp://cipherfunk.org/etc....
MD5: 255f984b5f438b0851fd50ae2ef14772
Onward and Outward to 2.next,
Paul
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funny how this didn't happen (for me) when i used to use gnome back around 2.2/2.4
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
Apparently there is such an effort in progress, and it was advertised on slashdot a few days ago.
I think this is there. Reading throught the NEWS in Metacity (the default window manager) and in the panel, it looks like both support the URGENT atom (defined somewhere in freedesktop.org).
All we really need now is that the IM program you are using really sets this atom on the window (or else Metacity and the panel will never know what happened).
Every release seems to have a lot of superficial changes that don't seem to buy anything, but don't really address the issues that everyone seems to complain about.
- New MIME system that easies previous hell of application association to file types - check
- Constant nautilus speed-ups - check
- Fix nautilus' access to remote servers (FTP, SSH, WebDAP) with user authorization - check
- auto-mounting of cd-roms and usb drives - check
- System tools for configuring networks, users and groups, date and time... - check
Example: you'd think that the gnome-panel would be pretty ironed out after a few years, but there are still at least a dozen "critical" unresolved bugs for it, where the panel just decides to crash or hang.
How many of that dozen are reproducible? Caused by a malfunctioning system (hardware or OS)? From old versions that no longer get updated, though the new ones fixed that? From development code, not intended to be released as stable? Lacking information by the bug reporters for the developers to find the error?
I haven't experienced a single panel crash in the 6 months I've been using 2.8. It's been stable as rock since at least gnome 2.4.
It's not as glamorous as mating a couple of Bonobos and getting a new SVG Pango baby, but please, for the sake of your users, focus on the fit and finish. What good is a HIG if the average user is put off by all the splinters?
Bleh. It sounds as if you're talking about another desktop. Really, you're just saying "it's bad, there are bugs around, somewhere, that don't get fixed, and they are important, more important than what they've already done, that I won't speak about cause it proves I'm just speaking out of my ass".
Most of this news' critical comments look just like written by people that haven't used gnome since 1998.
FYI: 2.10==2.1 when 2.10 is a decimal. If it's a version number, 2.10!=2.1. Well, at least depending on your numbering convention. Some people treat version numbers like decimals, but many do not. Gnome (and Apple, and the Linux kernel), use a whole number point-release system (my terminology, made up on the spot). So how that works is, when you want to divide releases, you put a point (not a decimal) and at another whole number. Therefore, 2.6.1 falls under version 2.6, as does 2.6.7. 2.6.10 comes directly after and is an upgrade on 2.6.9 in the same way that 2.6.7 comes after 2.6.6.
So 10.0 comes way after 1.0, 10.10 comes a while after 10.1, 10.10.10 comes a few patches after 10.1.1. If we wanted to further sub-divide, 10.10.10.10 would come directly after 10.10.10.9. (but that would look too much like an IP address, so maybe that's why nobody divides that far, but instead seem to label releases "r1" or "rc1" or "beta" or whatever. I could go on, but hopefully you get the idea.
Also FYI, in both gnome and the linux kernel, there's another thing to know about their versioning scheme: even and odd numbered 0.x releases should probably not be thought of as upgrades on each other. I thought that might have been the source of confusion, seeing as the list 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8, 2.10 skips the odd .x releases. The reason for that is, odd .x releases are development branches, and not everything in the 2.9 branch automatically goes into the 2.10 branch. Only the new features that are stable and ready make it. Some things might be dropped, and other things might be carried over to the 2.11 branch for further work.
Now, I know a lot of what I've just written is well known to a lot of people here, but part of my confusion (thinking I was missing something) came from assuming that this was common knowledge, which I guess maybe it isn't. Or was the OP trying to be funny?
In my experience it's the memory use, mostly. I have an old 500MHz Celeron box with a gig of RAM, and GNOME runs pretty snappily on it. On the shiny new 3GHz P4 laptop with 256M, though, it's a lot slower and mostly that seems to be because it swaps like nobody's business.
My wife uses GNOME on Ubuntu. CD's work fine, cameras work fine, printing works, web works. She says "It's subtly different to XP, but really it's perfectly fine." regarding eating itself, I would presume that that is a distribution problem.
Check it out sometime!