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Senator Calls on NASA to Service Hubble

Avantare writes "Senator Calls on NASA to Service Hubble In a sternly worded letter to acting NASA Administrator Frederick D. Gregory, Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) said she expects the U.S. space agency to heed the will of the Congress and keep preparations for a Hubble Space Telescope servicing mission on track. Congress, in passing an omnibus spending bill late last year, directed NASA to set aside $291 million of its 2005 budget to spend planning and preparing for a servicing mission to Hubble by 2008. When NASA informed Congress just weeks later that it intended to spend only $175 million of that amount on the Hubble repair effort, some saw the move as an indication that the agency was preparing to abandon plans to service Hubble robotically and rely instead on a space shuttle crew to fix the telescope."

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  1. Excellent News! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good for Senator Mikulski! As far as I'm concerned, NASA has been putzing around on this issue for no reason WHAT-SO-EVER. The shuttles are no more dangerous now then they were for the earlier two decades they've been in service. If people were allowed to do their jobs, then NASA would have known about the shuttle damage *before* Columbia's reentry.

    These mumblings about robotic repair sound like a whiny way of getting out of doing the job. If you'll pardon my French, "Just launch the damn space shuttle and fix the bloody thing!" It's not that hard, and I'm sure there's no shortage of qualified volunteers. Do I hear an Amen?!?

    1. Re:Excellent News! by GileadGreene · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Good for Senator Mikulski!

      Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact that NASA Goddard Space Flight Center is located in Mikulski's district. I'm sure she'd support a Hubble repair mission even if that wasn't the case...

    2. Re:Excellent News! by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Notice that all of this started happening after the "Mars Exploration Vision" was announced. Basically, they had a huge new suite of programs that they need to launch, but only minor increases in funding. Who couldn't see this sort of stuff coming from a mile off?

      Apollo, at its peak, was using about 0.75% of our nation's *entire GDP* (not government funding, but GDP). In today's dollars, that's over 80 billion a year. Even with the tech advances since Apollo and the experience gained from it, getting to Mars and back safely is a much more difficult problem.

      Heck, the apollo astronauts hardly even dealt with radiation at all; by choosing a proper launch window, they bypassed the most intense parts of the Van Allen belts; their "radiation shielding" was little more than the craft's skin and thermal insulation. No long term GCR exposure, no major flare/CME problems, etc.

      Their craft could be much smaller, and of course launch costs haven't changed much since the 1960s (and only a couple organizations in the world - NASA and a few other space agencies - are really putting funding into basic research to develop new tech that could lower costs. Private companies are trying to optimize what we already have (which is a great thing), but few are doing basic research not funded by the government because profit margins on orbital rocketry are so low currently).

      No long-term habitats were needed, and thus no long-term power sources, shielded environments, food supplies, low-wear equipment, etc. No mining and fuel production. Etc. The technical challenges for a Mars mission are much greater than for a Moon mission, and yet we still have to redo most of the technical challenges that we did for the Moon mission (new craft design, new rocket design or in-space assembly, new landing simulations for the different environment, etc).

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    3. Re:Excellent News! by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I would have announced a "Space Exploration Vision", which makes a top priority of lowering costs to access space. NASA is a research institution (not a "space cargo institution", like so many here mistakenly believe), and that's what they do best. Once you get costs down, programs like a "Mars Exploration Vision" don't take as long or as much money, and are thus less likely to be cancelled.

      Mind you, I'm not of the type that believes that NASA should just use conventional off-the-shelf technology in making new rocket systems. I think they should push the envelope, because if they don't, nobody else will, and the space industry will stagnate. I do, however, think that they should take multiple approaches at a time (because you have to count on some failing when you do this), and revive old concepts with modern technology. We really need a full suite of craft, as well: multiple lift systems (manned and unmanned, for different sizes and types of cargo, with different orbital capabilities) designed with the primary goals of safety and low cost, as well as one or more types of space tugs (never reentering Earth, but having multiple uses) with a primary goal of a long lifespan, using any combination of rockets, ion drives, electromagnetic tethers, rotavators, etc.

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    4. Re:Excellent News! by quarkscat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MD Senator (D) Barbara Mikulski to the rescue!
      She has been in the forefront of defending NASA
      from the pinhead bean-counters in the past. I
      sure hope she is successful once again.

      Regarding the SSTs (Shuttle Space Transports):
      NASA changed the formulation of the insulation
      on the external tanks, which made the ablative
      foam insulation dangerous. The original formula
      was environmentally "unfriendly" since it used
      CFCs. Losing a shuttle and crew during reentry
      was also environmentally "unfriendly". NASA
      management (at some level) knew that the ablative
      foam insulation "might" pose some risks, long
      before Columbia's tragic reentry. They never
      spent the time and money necessary to confirm
      the level of risk before the accident. O'Keefe's
      mismanagement of NASA was merely highlighted by
      Columbia -- testing the foam was a matter of
      "due diligence" that the real engineers wanted.

      The focus has subsequently been on a robotic
      servicing mission. All primary NASA contractors
      wanted a piece of that action, since it also
      leveraged their interests in military space
      contracts. Even a robotic mission has been deemed
      too expensive, with a much greater chance of its
      failure. Astronauts have been training for an
      HST servicing mission for years -- the mission
      isn't just about repairs, but about improvements.
      The money has already been spent on the upgrades,
      so why not sent the experts back up to HST?

      The current political climate in Washington isn't
      only penny-wise and pound-foolish. It's also
      about the uses of space -- civilian vs military.
      How else to explain NASA's determination to drop
      support for the Voyager project, which would only
      cost $4 Milion USD per year, while NASA pisses
      away $11 Billion USD on a new internal accounting
      system?

      Have I missed anything here?

  2. I want to know why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Senator's don't usually care this much about what is essentially a technology budgeting decision. Who's got her ear, and why?

    1. Re:I want to know why... by bechthros · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, a Senator is representing the interests of her constituants. Horror of horrors. Perish the thought.

  3. Re:There is a better option by bechthros · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So these two instuments alone can replace all of the existing functionality of Hubble I's instruments? If that is the case then bravo, go for it. But if it means losing the ability to do deep UV astronomy or anything else that Hubble I has proven to be very adept at, I don't think we should skimp out. Hubble has shown itself to have exceeded expectations time and time again, and I think it's well worth the investment. Not to say we should throw money at the problem, but if we can find untold billions for the sake of running to stand still in Iraq then surely there's gotta be a spare 1 billion somewhere we could use to fix something that's been more useful than we expected.

  4. Maybe its me by mattmentecky · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe its just me, but doesnt it seem odd that Congress is meddling in NASA's affairs? Granted, when it all comes down to budget it is in Congress's hands, but don't you think NASA knows whats best for itself?

  5. it's not about that by Yonkeltron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i might get modded down for this but it needs to be said.

    it's not about whether robots or humans are used. it's about the hubble being a piece of crap that needs to be replaced in order for us to move forward. the hubble is obsolete because of the fact that there are cheaper and better telescope projects out there that should be initiated. some of those programs are mentioned here on /. all the time!

    it's a wonder that we haven't listened to the independant experts and just thrownit out to lagrange point to work as long as it can.

    i really feel like NASA needs to let this one die so we can move forward.

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  6. Follow the Money by dosguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sen Mikulski is the senator from Maryland, where the Hubble is HQ'd. IIRC, it was HQ'd in her old district when she was in the House.

    I support the Hubble and think that we should fix it, but remember to follow the money as well. She has a lot of her voters that depend on Hubble for their paycheck.

  7. Pork Barrel alert! by (void*) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd rather NASA spend the money on maintaining
    contact with the Pioneer spavce probes. It has taken
    30 years for them to get there, and now, when
    they are at the edge of the solar system is where
    the scientifically interesting data can be found.
    Don't drop the ball!

  8. I see your bullshit and raise you a horseshit by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good argument!! Unfortunately for your argument, most scientists involved are in favor of repairing the Hubble, and it was a political decision by a non-scientist political appointee to NOT repair it.

    Dumbshit.

    (No, I don't think you're a dumbshit. It just fit the fecal theme of this post.)

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  9. Re:Understanding risk by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Space travel has always been dangerous, PERIOD. Astronauts have always known that everytime they strap themselves in, there's a reasonable chance that they won't be coming back. Apollo 1 made that point real clear, and the Challenger incident further punctuated the point. The only comfort the astronauts have is that we will do everything in our power to get them home if something goes wrong. (e.g. Apollo 13)

    As I said, there's no shortage of volunteers who fully understand the risks they are taking. So fly the damn space shuttle for something USEFUL, and keep our bird in the air.

    You can't take the sky from me...

  10. Why the controversy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Odd thing about all the controversy of this servicing mission - had Columbia not been lost, the money would have been there, Hubble would have been serviced, and that'd be it. But now, because Columbia went down, killing those aboard, we suddenly are being led to believe that space travel is now much more dangerous that the previous 100+ missions the shuttles have flown? I am positive that there are people out there that are willing to crew the shuttle and repair Hubble, fully knowing the risks involved. Everyone who steps on the shuttle knows there are risks. Alternately, if we can build a good replacement for Hubble in a reasonable time frame, and launch it, cheaper than the cost of repairing Hubble, then that would of course be the reasonable option.
    In the troubled times we live in, we cannot spare the money for this sort of pie-in-the-sky space fantasy. We have a moral obligation to westernize the middle east - the future of the world depends on it. They must live in democracies, and, if possible, worship in Christian churches.
    And if anyone comes here, telling us that they have an even better way of living, and that we worship in accordance with their religion, we'll just quietly and politely oblige, right?
  11. Re:There is a better option by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing is, I don't see the people who want to let Hubble die earmarking the funds for a new and improved replacement. The smoke and mirrors of a manned mission to Mars looks good politically because it's so ambitious, but it's causing other important areas to be underfunded or not funded at all.

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  12. Re:Worth Remembering Mikulski's Motives by bechthros · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "This is a pork barrel and jobs issue for her."

    Can you please explain to me why a Senator representing her constituants who, like most of us, want jobs, is a BAD thing? Isn't that why they're elected, to represent their constituants?

    "Every Shuttle flight is risky"

    Sure, just like every airplane landing is risky, just like crossing the street is risky. Most of them are former test pilots, so you'll have a hard time convincing me that the astronauts aren't willing to accept those risks. The fact that it's risky doesn't mean it istn't worth it.

    Not to mention that the safety record of shuttle flights far exceeds what was expected. I remember NASA saying when Challenger blew up that we were very overdue for just such an incident, and it was a fluke that one hadn't happened sooner. Not to say that more shuttles should blow up, but the safety record of shuttle flights is exemplary.

    "but the purpose of space travel is to put people there, not to do science."

    Why must there be only one purpose for space travel? And what exactly do you think these "people" we "put there" are going to do, sit around and play pinochle? No, the people that went to the moon did science once they got there. So will the people we eventually send to Mars. Scientific research is a very valid purpose for space flight.

  13. Wait a minute by washley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wasn't there a Slashdot story a while back saying that we could send up a NEW space telescope for less? What's the sense in fixing Hubble if we can get a better, brand new, space telescope for less money.

  14. Space hardware is not designed to last forever! by arthurh3535 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Or be servicable forever! While the Hubble is an amazing device that expanded our knowledge considerably, it's far past what it was actually expected to do.

    It's great that they were able to extend its life and get it to do things that it wasn't really designed to do originally.

    But there is a replacement being designed/built. Let's go with that.

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  15. It's good to live in third-world nation America by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where the Japanese and Chinese and Europeans have their acts together while we stop spending on Science.

    Sigh.

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  16. Re:Kill the Shuttle by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where are the astronauts going to put the parts and tools that they need, not to mention the manipulator arm? Hide them in Cartman's butt?

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  17. Re:Let US decide where to spend the money by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be great if on your annual tax returns you could fill out a form to indicate what percentage of your taxes go to which area of government (defense, education, environment, health care) ?

    No. See: tyranny of the majority.