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NSA (partially) Declassified
Lally Singh writes "Posted yesterday on the National Security Archives was the NSA's "Transition 2001" report, prepared as an introductory report for President Bush (II)'s incoming administration. "The largest U.S. spy agency warned the incoming Bush administration in its 'Transition 2001' report that the Information Age required rethinking the policies and authorities that kept the National Security Agency in compliance with the Constitution's 4th Amendment prohibition on 'unreasonable searches and seizures' without warrant and 'probable cause,' according to an updated briefing book of declassified NSA documents posted today on the World Wide Web.""
I'm not american, but mod parent up.
Things like this should be known to all, true or not, so they can be properlly investigated.
So MILD torture is OK, while HARSH torture is not.
What is the line here?
Batons against your footsoles is ok? Sleep-depravation, is that ok? Heat/cold changes in your surroundings? What exactly do you find acceptable of torture methods? I just want to make sure I understand your concerns...
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
What about the line of innocent dead people who end up that way due to our inability to acquire information from terrorists and terrorist sympathizers in a timely fashion?
You cannot expect to obtain info from a zealot by giving him three hots and a cot, cable TV, good health care, yoga sessions, and self-improvement classes (such as with the US prison system). It's a value proposition situation: we must find a way to make the revelation of info more valuable to the zealot than the reverse.
What you said was horrible.
Zealots have rights too, you know. To say that you may torture someone because you need the information he has it to singlehandedly undo the centuries of progress, to cancel the ideas of humanism, to go back to the Dark Ages or earlier.
After all, you cannot expect to obtain a confession from a witch by giving her three hots and a cot, cable TV, good health care, yoga sessions, and self-improvement classes (such as with the US prison system). It's a value proposition situation: we must find a way to make the confession and acceptance of Our Saviour Jesus Christ more valuable to the witch than the reverse.
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