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The Rise of Smart Buildings

Roland Piquepaille writes "In a very well-documented article, Computerworld describes the current status of building automation systems (BAS) that control heat, air conditioning or lighting and how these systems are merging with traditional IT infrastructures. Computerworld writes that they're not enough standards in this industry and asks a fundamental question: who will administer these building networks, IT or facilities managers? Take for example Yale University which wants to connect 210 campus buildings, but also wishes "to integrate the BAS with the university's accounting system for billing and chargeback." Imagine the security risks involved with such an approach. This shorter summary contains selected excerpts of this must-read article."

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  1. READ THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Rise of Smart Buildings Just add water!


    THIS IS A ROLAND PIQUEPAILLE ARTICLE
    Here is the "short summary":
    The Rise of Smart Buildings

    In a very well-documented article, Computerworld describes the current status of building automation systems (BAS) that control heat, air conditioning or lighting and how these systems are merging with traditional IT infrastructures. Computerworld writes that they're not enough standards in this industry and asks a fundamental question: who will administer these building networks, IT or facilities managers? Take for example Yale University which wants to connect 210 campus buildings, but also wishes "to integrate the BAS with the university's accounting system for billing and chargeback." Imagine the security risks involved with such an approach. Read more...

    Let's start with a an assessment of the current situation.

    As building automation systems (BAS) that control heat, air conditioning, lighting and other building systems get smarter, they're converging with traditional IT infrastructures. Emerging standards are enabling data sharing between building systems as well as with other business applications, improving efficiency and real-time control over building operating costs. Information security concerns, immature standards, the reluctance of vendors to give up proprietary technologies and ignorance among IT professionals of the convergence trend are all slowing the pace of this transformation, but it's gathering momentum.

    But who will control such networks? And are there enough standards in this industry?

    Open standards are just beginning to evolve and will likely break down the silos between building systems ranging from physical security to elevator controls. And the data from those systems is likely to be shared with other business applications such as the accounting system. This will allow for more-efficient buildings as applications are developed that can capitalize on newly converged data streams and real-time access to data.

    [Right now,] standardization has started from the bottom up. Proprietary cabling systems in networks that link sensors and other devices to controllers on individual floors have given way in recent years to two competing, open protocols, BACnet and LonTalk, while floor controllers are migrating onto IP backbones.

    Barry Haaser, executive director of LonMark International, says LonTalk and BACnet will prevail at the device level for technical and cost reasons. Others aren't so sure. "Instead of two guys running the IT and controls networks, why not one guy? I see IP going down to the individual device," says Anno Scholten, chief technology officer at BAS vendor Plexus Technology Ltd. in Irving, Texas.

    IT infrastructure used in building automation systems This diagram shows how "building automation systems today rely on open, industry-specific protocols such as LonTalk (shown) or BACnet for device-level communications. But they increasingly leverage Ethernet and TCP/IP for home runs back to the control systems." (Credit for image and legend: Computerworld).

    Let's take the example of Yale University to see how complex can be the merge between control systems and IT infrastructure.

    But sharing the IP backbone raises security concerns among network administrators. Yale University is starting a project to consolidate its BAS onto an IP network that will link 210 campus buildings, and it plans to tie the BAS into a room-scheduling system that will automatically control energy usage based on room occupancy. For security reasons, Bill Daniels, manager of systems and technologies for the university's facilities group, has created an isolated, parallel network that's protected by firewalls and uses nonroutable IP addresses to keep data off the Internet.

    Jerry Hill, director of systems engineering at Yale, says security is paramount. "We don't want a student to hack into our building management systems just beca

    1. Re:READ THIS by LakeSolon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gah. I thought we were done with the Roland Piquepaille articles. Good idea posting the article text in the comments to reduce the ad hits though.

      ~Lake

    2. Re:READ THIS by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously timothy doesn't share our concerns. I wish he would, though.

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    3. Re:READ THIS by Forbman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't want students to hack into the building management system? Simple, then. Just have that system dump its data to a secure store, and have the accounting system read that data. You don't want a live feed off of the HVAC monitoring system anyways.

      The utilities and industry use SCADA to gather data from instrumentation and equipment. Then you just need the system that aggregates that information to report to F&A (finance & accounting).

      As long as it's a one-way system, then the only risk for hacking is some knob futzing the info and making fraudulent payments, not screwing up the HVAC in a lab with a critical experiment, a hospital ICU, etc.

    4. Re:READ THIS by demachina · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In case you missed it when I posted it on Roland's scam last Sunday, here is a writeup someone did on how Roland is trying to use Slashdot to make a living, and is apparently being aided in his efforts, for one reason or another by Slashdot's editors.

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  2. they're? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "they're not enough standards"....?

  3. Who will manage these? by the_argent · · Score: 5, Funny

    At first, probably IT. Then, after they've been around a few years, IT will get replaced with the boss's nephew that's "really good with computers".

    1. Re:Who will manage these? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, the building will manage itself. And the super will look just like Arnold Schwarznegger.

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  4. IT will do it. by turtled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The IT Dept will do it. With the advanced technologies and networking involved, it's along the same lines as full computer networking. Maybe in the future (10~20 years) it'll be simplified for less qualified. Until then, it's a higher paid salary taking care of it.

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    1. Re:IT will do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, IT will NOT do it. You all might want to think that IT has claim to it, bit they won't.

      The facilities management and Operating Engineers will be doing it. Just like they run building services now. I can imagine a bunch if CS/IT geeks going up against a bunch of good ole union boys about who has rights to this domain.

      The unions already have been training and educating their members in 'modern' methods. This is really is the next step to inteligent controllers for things like chillers, boilers, elevators etc...

      And to top it off, the integration will not be done in house, it will be outsourced to contractors.

      Don't believe me: Elevators controllers are extensions of CNC controls. Modern chillers already have integrated controllers that include remote controls and monitoring.

      Building engineers/Facilities ALREADY have CAD databases of newly installed equipment, piping, steam generating systems.

    2. Re:IT will do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And who in IT is qualified to check whether the chiller is being controlled properly, or the return fan is on at the same time as the supply fan so we don't blow the windows out?

      The only time anyone outside of maintenance needs to see this stuff is possibly scheduling occupancy.

      And standards? Not in any of our lifetimes. Bet on it.

      Derek

    3. Re:IT will do it. by standbypowerguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Until then, it's a higher paid salary taking care of it."

      Don't be so cocksure about that. I'm part of a group of buildings professionals that provide infrastructure support for a major telecommunications carrier, and I can tell you for certain, our pay grade is superior to that of most IT managers and engineers in the company.

      With regard to BAS systems, they are far more complex than networking gear. The systems we support typically employ a wide variety and large number of sensors, communicating on different protocols. The code is customized for each facility, since it must interface with and control equipment from multiple vendors. These systems require maintenance and troubleshooting skills atypical of most IT professionals.

      I shudder at the thought of IT maintaining our BAS systems. One thing most of the IT professionals I've assisted over the years fail to realize is that electrical and mechanical infrastructure are the underpinnings of the rest of the facility. When you're out of power or cooling, you're out of business, plain and simple.

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    4. Re:IT will do it. by bleckywelcky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it's funny you spin it this way. Because in the current state of affairs, highly trained technicians handle these things because it's not "simplified for less qualified" IT personnel or otherwise to handle. These technicians are higher paid than the IT staff. Now this mainly has to do with these systems developing entirely separately from IT (ie the HVAC industry really had no incentives to make their systems IT friendly, nor did they really know otherwise - so they just developed the systems themselves).

      But, despite what you may think about having an IT person jump right on the job because the system 'seems similar' to what they work on, the type of specialized training involved in dealing with building systems is much different than typical IT work. I would think at least a year-long training program would be required before anyone could become an apprentice. And then another year or two of on-the-job training before you are fully qualified to work on your own. If your project hiccups, fine... you might lose some sales, computers might go down temporarily, services might be unavailable. If your building systems hiccup, you might burn a building down, hinder hundreds of people from doing their jobs, or damage millions of dollars of equipment, samples, resarch, etc. Need me to prove my point? Give most IT staffers a wiring diagram, and they'll scratch their head and ask you what the hell it is ...

  5. Subject Subject by TechnologyX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't read "the shorter summary", fuck Roland. Somebody mod up the A/C with the article text from Roland's site.

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  6. Clearly this is a job for... by BortQ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly this is a job for Microsoft, a company with large resources and the necessary pull to get a standard in place. Yes, there's some risk that Ukranian script kiddies may be able to 0wnz your air conditioner unit, but I'm sure there will be a patch out soon.

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    1. Re:Clearly this is a job for... by MrScience · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They are on it!

      (Note that the last references OPC, apparently a sensor standard)

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  7. Security? by The+Tarquin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bruce Schneier scratched the surface of this in his book Secrets and Lies. He specifically adressed internet or network-accessable appliances. Basically his take is: sure they might seem convenient, but how can you be sure that someone properly went over the code on your refrigerator to make sure it was secure? Last thing I want is someone hacking my fridge and shutting it down so my beer and mountain dew get warm.

    1. Re:Security? by The+Tarquin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you say is true, which makes your appliances roughly as safe as a PC protected the same way, yet some PCs still get busted into, despite those precautions.
      And yes, I agree, there are some things more important than securing home systems, but the point is IF this system is released then there WILL be security problems. I don't think most people who aren't IT people will realize that. "Everything controlled via the internet? BRILLIANT!" would be the attitude taken by almost everyone, I think only us tech geeks would have the background to stop and think about the security ramifications. This will most likely lead to bad things happening.

  8. Welcoming Message to our overlords by shadowdata · · Score: 2, Funny

    I , for one , welcome our new smart building overlords!!!! ... ok its lame but i got nothing much in my mind .. blah

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  9. Roland Piquepaille is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting


    he even has his own Wikipedia entry

    Slashdot trolling phenomena

    and suprise suprise Timothy is mentioned too

    no wonder people dont subscribe to this shit

  10. I hate this by cowscows · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hate this so much. When I was in school, physical plant had control of the central air/heat in our building. They were in a small office next to a warehouse. I spent most of my time in a five story building on the other side of campus. They decided when our a/c went on. We could call them, but we'd be lucky if they actually listened. There were lots of people in our building 24 hours per day. Good luck getting the air turned up in the middle of the night. Ugh.

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  11. New security frontiers by stevenrnelson · · Score: 4, Funny

    So who's going to be the first one to steal private information through the thermostat, or send spam though the ceiling lights? Remember how those guys turned the side of a large building into a very low resolution display?

  12. Every time this comes up... by jpellino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... all I can think of is "There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury...

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  13. more fun and games by alizard · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How about turning your toaster on, turning the gas valves on your rangetop on, and turning the ignitor OFF?

    How about turning your hot tub up to 210 degrees F? (99C for furriners)

    how about turning your refrigerator up to 100 degrees for a few hours a day... and cooling stuff off just before you get home.

    I think the smart building concept is wonderful... but those who can probably should roll your own until you are certain that the security problems have been solved.

    1. Re:more fun and games by cowscows · · Score: 4, Funny

      It'd be awesome if i had a hot tub that could get that hot. I'd make the biggest batch wonton soup. Rock on.

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  14. I've seen a couple by Jjeff1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm an IT person. I've seen a couple of these systems. In general, they use networking simply to transport data between HVAC controllers.

    In my experience, the customers have multi-building networks. Within each building, all the HVAC sensors and controls are all wired to a central control device, not over the network. The control device is typically some solid-state box bolted to the wall, not a PC.

    All these boxes talk back to a central server (crummy PC with BAS software) over the WAN. The server then tells the boxes what to turn on and off and sends out alerts if something goes wrong. The alerting is basic, no SNMP or emails. A pager if you're lucky, but probably just a flashing message on the screen. My understanding is that there are some default settings the boxes can use if they should lose connection to the server.

    As for this being an area for IT to take over, I don't see it. The vast majority of the work involved is with wiring HVAC sensors and systems back to the controllers and in programming the settings into the BAS software on the server. There is very little IT knowledge required. If you can program a cable modem router, you probably have enough IT knowledge to program the IT part of these things.

    1. Re:I've seen a couple by J.+Random+Luser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sounds a bit like ours. Relatively dumb HVAC controllers, each building has local fall-back, network failure != building failure. All on their own VLAN on the common fibre. It is coupled to the room booking system, if a room is booked HVAC looks after it. Lighting for lecture theatres, etc, has occupancy sensors and the dreaded 30 minute cutoff, but this does not apply to toilets, stairs or faculty staff offices.

      Security? You can hack anything if you want to... Switch/routers and a solid campus firewall mean nothing (almost ;-) gets in or out of that VLAN. The reason it's not linked to Finance for billing is that the accounts run on PeopleSoft, & we have a small army constantly battling to get that to interface to any normal system...

    2. Re:I've seen a couple by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is well said. Some day, hopefully soon, the world will realize that the IT department can't do everything that has a computer attached to it, and along with this, IT managers will quit assuming that they should be in charge of everything on the network!!

      IT people would have no more idea what to do with HVAC controller errors than the DJ at your local radio station should know what to do with a RAID error.

      I wish people would quit assuming that the network is more than just a service, like POTS lines etc. There are services offered over the network, but that doesn't mean the network provider has any clue about it. Network connectivity needs to be comoditized, not specialized and part of the desktop functionality.

      No one will get any love calling up the local bell company and asking why their 56k modem won't work on the same line they are calling from. If the bldg service department puts devices on the network, its their problem, not the responsibility of IT.

      Generally speaking, most IT departments have a *LONG* way to go before they can simply offer services and stop sweating when some server in the back room of a dark building stops working, but that is where they need to be.

      It bugs me when an IT guy *WANTS* to be involved in the daily operations of the billing system? Who wants that hassle? Who wants to be yanked away from reading slashdot just because the A/C in building across town isn't working right?

      S

  15. Piquepaille should of read this bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting


    from the article

    Copyright © 2005 Computerworld Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of Computerworld Inc. is prohibited. Computerworld and Computerworld.com and the respective logos are trademarks of International Data Group Inc.

    enjoy the lawyers

  16. IT and FM will merge by towndowner · · Score: 5, Funny

    IT and Facilities Management will merge - that simple. administering windows boxes and unclogging toilets aren't too dissimilar to begin with.

  17. Yes, but... by MMMDI · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will there be smart buildings in a bag?

  18. The boss' secretary by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4, Funny

    who will administer these building networks, IT or facilities managers?

    The boss' secretary. You know, the one who's always cold. She'll be setting the thermostat for every room in the entire facility from her desktop. Better stock up on Bermuda shorts.

  19. DALI by oddbudman · · Score: 5, Informative

    To me it seems strange that this article does not mention DALI (Digital Addressable Lighting Interface). It is a new standard for Lighting control that is sure to shake things up. Especially when you see DALI is currently being pushed by lighting manufacturers such as Osram, Atco, Helvar and Phillips to name a few. Dali places a fair bit of intelligence at the lighting fixture, and can be easily intergraded to TCP/IP networks using such systems as Atco's windim@net. This allows for remote monitoring and control. Better yet DALI can be wired using standard 240v insulated cabling and can be run next to the mains wiring (no segregation). It really is a smart step foward for lighting control. Check it out http://www.dali-ag.org/

  20. Omni Consumer Products announces SAINT! by ulatekh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, come on, I can't be the only one that saw the RoboCop miniseries! Well, maybe I am.

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  21. this kind of stuff has been talked about for ages. by SidV · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work within an industry that would supply some of the stuff to be used in so called "Smart structures" I've been to the conferences, I've talked to the people.

    It all falls apart because of cost. I can control anyone of the different systems in your house/building, I can monitor any variable you want. But the cost point is much much higher than you would expect. Even for a small 2000 sq foot house to monitor each room, control lighting and so forth would cost tens of thousands of dollars installed.

    Then it still wouldn't work well, because I can only monitor so many different variables, and there are too many exceptions.

    For instance. I worked in a semi smart building. Part of it was that motion sensors turned the lights on and off. If it didn't sense movement for 5 minutes or so it shut off the lights.

    All well and good until someone is in the bathroom alone for a legngthy constitutional. Then your trapped on the can in a dark room.

    Yes a minor example, but just one of many thousands of issues that come up. Say heating. You want to lower heating in rooms that aren't used, so you lower the temprature. Then someone comes in to work for an hour or two. Well rooms don't heat up immediately, so while the system is trying to heat the room up, the person says, "It's to damn cold in here" and goes somewhere else.

    Or the opposite, you turn off the air conditioning, then people avoid that room because it's hot and muggy, next thing you know you've got mold in the walls.

    All for a system that costs tens of thousands of dollars for a small building, hundreds, or millions for a large building.

    As to networked appliances. Who want's to update the software in their toilet so they can use their microwave.

    Who wants to find out out their boiler has a bug that shuts it's down under certain conditions, only to be told.

    "It's a known problem, it will be fixed in the next release."

    Who wants to have to re-boot their stove.

    For some things simple analog controls work fine, things like on/off switches, potentiometer based volume knobs, and tuning knobs.

    I can't stand the current generation of car stereos because the volume goes in steps, either just a little bit too loud, or a little bit to quiet. In the old days I could fiddle with the tuning knob to get in a hard to reach signal. Now I can only go up or down .1 Hz, if that doesn't work, give it up. I don't want everything else to be a similar way.

  22. Bad (or exagerated) journalism . . . by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This shorter summary contains selected excerpts of this must-read article." Come on . . .grow up . . . a "must-read article" That sounds like a troll if I ever heard one.


    Does this guy actually think that this article is of improtance and relevance to every single slashdot reader? Sounds like old TV commercials . . . "Tonight a very special episode of Blossom . . . the one you can't afford to miss . . . ." This is just poor sensationalized journalism. Does Roland Piquepaille think that /. readers are that gullible or does he think that we're just that stupid?

  23. an architect squeaks by the_twisted_pair · · Score: 4, Informative
    Sorry to disillusion people people , but as an real [not-fucking-software ;) ] Architect (or even anarchi-tect) these thing are the way forward.

    In the UK we call such systems BMS, Building Management Systems. It amounts to vaguely-intelligent way to manage building energy consumption; that is the sole remit. Realise that, while there may be ways to access the info remotely and thus expose the system to security risks .that is not the prime objective

    The real point is to monitor boiler firing cycles, and window-openings (night-purge cooling etc) remotely to minimise running cost.

    Yes, it's great. I can watch, in real-time , the window management of a school I designed two years ago, from a terminal 200 miles away. I can learn from it, in terms of how the building is really used, as opposed to how it was assumed to work. Can I over-ride choices? No, and neither can any one else by 'hacking' the system. The truth is, BSMS systems are dumb - they are pre-programmed and (at best) report. No-one (esp. the investors) is actually interested in spending for IP addresses for the windows on the Arts wing, the necesary actuators and so on. I can monitor these things only because the necessary sensing is already part of other systems - like the alarm systems.

    To everyone who wants to set off the sprinklers at their High School: please realise that sprinkler heads are purely reactive and work solely on rate-of-rise of temperature; they are not remotely addressable. Smoke sensors, on the other hand, can be ;)

    1. Re:an architect squeaks by Forbman · · Score: 2, Informative

      sprinkler heads aren't even electronic. They have metal plugs that melt at a given temperature, which releases the water and the pressure drop by one sprinkler going off usually will set off several others in the same area or zone. The pressure drop is also detected by pressure monitors hooked up to the fire alarm system.

  24. enough with the "smart" crap by rtphokie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is "smart" going to be the new "e". A word tacked on the front of other words to satisfy writers eager to sound hip?

  25. Ctrl+Alt+Del by kaalamaadan · · Score: 2, Funny
    Great...The last thing I want to do is to reboot my house.

    Today is August 5, 2006, Today is August 5, 2006...

  26. all your base are belong to us! by sum.zero · · Score: 2, Funny

    literally.

    sum.zero

  27. The real scoop. by thejeffer · · Score: 5, Informative

    No offense, but the majority of the posters so far have no CLUE what they're talking about. I work for one of the largest building automation companies in the US (and world) and write the logic for programmable controllers. First of all, there is no way you'd EVER want an IT department taking control of your HVAC system unless they've been trained VERY well and their building's controllers were programmed with an IT department in mind. I started off in the IT world, and thought moving to building automation would be a cinch, but let me assure you, there was a huge deal to learn. When you're dealing with Chillers that can blow a cap that costs $10,000+ to replace, just because you accidentally allowed a chilled water valve to open up while your return water was still too hot after the a switchover in your 2-pipe plant... well... let's just say you want a building maintenance guy dealing with these situations. As far as standards go, just because IT people don't know about them hardly means they don't exist. The most prevalent standards today are the ones mentioned by the article - BACNet and LonTalk. Both are fairly simple protocols that allow for efficient communication over a wide range of network media. They were designed with slower networks in mind, so that if your bandwidth is only 100k/sec, you're still going to be fine. Usually the controllers are on a slower copper wire network, and then routed through an ethernet network to the frontend computer. Personally, I'd like to see the business go towards using standard ethernet and tcp/ip the whole way through, because of the lower costs of standard routers, repeaters, bridges, etc. As far as security concerns go... If they're worried about someone hacking in to their HVAC system and harming things, then their system was progammed shoddily. A well programmed system always takes into account the stupidity of users. You place safeguard upon safeguard upon safeguard. Even guys that have been facility managers for years will try to do stupid things, so you plan ahead and only let them make non-harmful changes from the frontend.

  28. The last thing we need by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The last thing we need is automated building that are tied into computers.

    I was having a conversation last night with a friend about how annoyed I am with the current crop of auto mechanics. I have a minor problem with my vehicle that I can't diagnose, but the shop won't even look at it.
    Why?
    "Because it isn't throwing a code."
    Just because the check engine light isn't on doesn't mean there isn't a problem. The last thing we need are building supers who look at their computer screen and say, "I don't see a problem", because the water leak up on 17 hasn't gotten big enough for the computer to notice it.

  29. Oversimplification by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I must say, as a Critical Facilities Engineer, I feel that most of the posters thus far are drastically downplaying (intentionally or not) the complexity of modern facility management as well as BAS systems.

    I work for a large commercial real estate firm at a campus for a very large financial institution. Our facility is just over 1,000,000 sq feet and is comprised of 6 buildings including a data center. It is my opinion that the people that "take over" management and implementation of BAS's as they move forward can only be an as yet unkown hybrid of Facility Engineers and IT savvy people.

    The reality is, there are many more things controlled and monitored by a BAS than just lights or a few VAV's to cool an office. Modern HVAC systems are quite complex and need to take into account hundreds of factors such as outside air temperature, drybulb and wetbulb temperature, relative humidity, static duct pressure, variable frequency drives on condenser water pumps, etc. (basically, it's much more complicated than "turning up the heat").

    Additionally, the task of making staunchly built, proprietary communication protocols (i.e. Wonderware, Liebert, PLC's) talk to one another in a language/at a speed that each can understand is assuredly going to be an uphill battle at best.

    I would argue that neither the current Engineering industry nor the current IT industry is fully capable of handling the task of taking this part of Building Automation where it needs to go. I think it's going to take people putting their egos in check, and perhaps risking the self-preserving, "essential cog" reputation earned by keeping information guarded if this is going to come to fruition.

    Already we're able to do amazing things with our BAS (Insight by Siemens in case anyone's wondering) and I, as a confessed geek, am excited to see what more we'll be able to do. I think it's great that I can roll my chiller banks from the lead to the lag from a laptop on my kitchen table without the client being able to notice anything at all. I also think it's pretty amazing that if a static switch sees an irragularity on a wave form coming off of a UPS system's battery string, that I can be alerted of it, as well as have a record of it for trending/troubleshooting purposes. Say what you will, but I definitely think this is going to be an area to watch, and I dare say, probably one that will start in the commercial sector and quickly move into the consumer group. Think how amazing it will be to be able to turn the lights on at your house from your PC at work before you leave to drive home or to have your home HVAC equipment adapt to outside conditions or upcoming weather reports available online. I know there are some "home automation" products available now, but aside from webcam monitoring and a few light controlling relays, there really isn't anything exciting yet. I think it's going to get really interesting, and I think BAS systems are going to drive it.

    Just my 2 cents.

    1. Re:Oversimplification by SidV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " Think how amazing it will be to be able to turn the lights on at your house from your PC at work before you leave to drive home "

      Amazing yes, usefull no. And contrary to what this is supposed to do, which is reduce energy costs, burning a bulb/bulbs you don't need is wstefull.

      More usefull is the motion sensor I have for the bulb in my carport. When I pull in it lights up so I can get in the house, and flip that highly complicated analog switch to light the inside house.

      Turning the light on when I need it with a lag of approx 1 second.

  30. This is why it works by tc9 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You keep the low voltage protocols off the internet. You use a gateway. Cllearly, obviously, you do not want the internet in the middle of a process control loop.

    One should think of a process control system (HVAC for the 3rd floor) as similar to a RAID sub-system. Multiple moving parts. Different devices computing their own sectors, timing, etc. Servo motors have their own control logic that manages spin up, spin down, head stepping. A supervisory RAID system manages striping, adding hot-spares, etc. All present a common simple model to the OS that hides the physical muck underneath.

    In most cases, putting an IP address on each coil or actuator in a building makes about as much sense as putting an IP address on each stepper motor on each drive in the RAID set. What you want to do is box the functionality, lets the system defend its internal mission and imperatives, and provide an external interface.

    The ComputerWorld article is talking about IT managing that interface, not the internal control porcesses. TheJeffer is right; IT guys have not been trained in this demanding discipline. I have not been trained in auto mechanics. Even though there are a dozen computers in my car, I have nothing useful to say to them.

    My car has an interface. The pedal on the right makes it go faster. The round thing makes it go side to side. There is a UI called a dashboard which is a rough interface to the digitial dashboard you may have in your business system.

    LONWORKS, BACnet, NIAGRA, (in the HVAC world) DALI (n lighting), other local protocols, even proprietary protocols belong inside the sandbox. Other vertical markets with other protocols include Access Control, Intrusion Detection, Life Safety, and AV/Event Management systems. All of them scale badly across buildings and between systems today because they try to preserve the control protocols/connection orientation evan as they move to IP for the transport layer.

    Anyone who tries to let the new IT hire from Accounting work control systems is looney.

    but

    There is nothing wrong with that accounting IT guy scheduling conference room 3 to be occupied tomorrow night (and let the HVAC deal with it. and let the lighting system deal with it). It is not a bad thing to let that accounting IT guy schedule the electric meter to be read before and after the meeting automatically.

    Position these protocols for orchestration not control. Position a Gridwise-aware application (www.gridwise.org)that knows that the power grid is offering incentives for load shedding and also knows that the sales force is all at a new product roll-out to turn off the 3rd floor. Or becuase you can turn off any office space for 15 minutes w/o anyone noticing, get that power rebate for an hour by rotating "low Power mode" commands between 6 offices in the same metro area. What is low power mode? Well, that was set up by the controls engineers.

    Security, and by that I mean grown up Directory aware security, must,of course, be in place.

  31. Re:Who fucking gives a shit, you jackholes by mcc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Me, I'm sick of Roland

    I don't give a shit. I'm sick of you and the rest of your trolling little clique. You've wasted an order of magnitude more space and reader time than this "Roland" whosit ever will, and unlike Mr. Pipquwhatever, you post your trash where I can't just skim past and not click the story if I'm not interested.

    Putting a plagiarist, seeking ad revenue, on the front page posing as news is NOT OK.

    Why the fuck not? Who cares? If he's plagiarizing, the people he is plagiarizing are free to take it up with him. Talk to them, not us.