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New Sharp 3D Notebook Available with Linux

Anonymous Writer writes "Earlier this month, Sharp released the Actius AL3DU, the second generation laptop in its line of autostereo display products. EmperorLinux, Inc. is distributing it with Linux pre-installed, dubbing it the Molecule."

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  1. I think this is the start of something new by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was going to say "Bah, what's the use", but this is actually really cool.

    Put aside that it's running Linux for a minute. Who cares what software is running it? Not important.

    What is important is that we are finally moving away, on a hardware level, from flat, 2 dimensional displays. While the "Help me Obi-one Kenobi" 3D displays are still a long way off (or disappeared a long, long time ago), this is an immense step forward.

    1. Re:I think this is the start of something new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      While the "Help me Obi-one Kenobi" 3D displays are still a long way off (or disappeared a long, long time ago), this is an immense step forward.
      Ah yes but EmperorLinux, Inc. is the distributor. May the dark side of the force be with you.
    2. Re:I think this is the start of something new by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Me too! I'm always skeptical of new claims of 3D, but then I looked at the Sharp marketing materials! Did you see the way the dolphins are coming right out of the screen!!!

      I love dolphins!!!! I'm going to buy one of these right now!

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  2. 3d post by MarkoNo5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sorry, couldn't resist :)

  3. Problem is... by knownsense · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dont ever see the discounts that are supposed to accrue from not paying MS Tax... Another point, what about the peripherals?

    1. Re:Problem is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      that's because there is no discount.

      first off. Nobody is fucking stupid enough to pay the full $300 for Windows. Only end-users get charged that. OEM's like Dell and other manufacturers have contracts and pay around 30-34 dollars per copy.

      Second off, Emperor Linux doesn't get the Sharp without Windows. They buy it from the company with Windows installed just like you and I do, and just install Linux over it and sell it as a 'linux notebook'. If you look closely you'd notice that dual boot doesn't cost extra (or shouldn't)

      It's not a Linux notebook per say, like HP's Linux notebook, it's a Windows notebook that has been formatted with Linux install.

      Saves you the trouble of getting everything working, but that is about it.

      The peripherals? Same as anything else.

    2. Re:Problem is... by FauxPasIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      We have to pay the MS tax too. ( I work at Emperor ).

      It's not that bad for us since most of our customers still want dual-boot, but it's disheartening when somebody
      orders a 100% Linux (the "no-Win situation" in our parlance) and still has to pay the same Windows license price. =/

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  4. Re:Autonomy ? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it's like my Actius MM-10 (got it cheaply on ebay) it isn't really intended to be independent. It's really small and light, and it has a docking station so that it can act as a USB disk when powered down(a proper one - not with stupid drivers). However, it's not that powerful and it has a small HD (not that that matters when you use the docking station).
    It's definitely intended for use with a desktop.

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  5. Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by TheLoneCabbage · · Score: 5, Interesting


    How exactly does Emporer Linux justify chargin $500 more for a computer without a licencsed OS?

    I'm not great fan of Windows, but why should I pay $500 so that some screw up can spend 15min installing a version of Linux I don't like (vs one I do like)?

    I think I've just stoped wondering why linux as a desktop OS has never taken off.

    1. Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by tricops · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The $500 is undoubtedly BS, but they're some shop I've never heard of before... and Sharp may never have heard of before, or reasonably close. They're probably paying full price, with MS tax.. etc... heh...

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    2. Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Should be noted that it isn't that the OS is unlicensed, but rather that it theoretically (and most likely practically) doesn't cost anything for them to license it.

      But, yeah, Linux hasn't taken over the desktop market because all the distros with OEM deals make crap.

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    3. Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by Mjlner · · Score: 5, Interesting
      How exactly does Emporer Linux justify chargin $500 more for a computer without a licencsed OS?

      They justify it by doing stuff to it. Whatever stuff is and whatever pricetag they choose to put on stuff is their business. Your business is to decide whether or not you want to pay for stuff.


      Their version of linux is just an option. You don't need to buy from them. Some people do want to pay for a pre-installed OS. And don't forget the PHB's who don't linke the sound of "cheap software/freeware". (Yes, I know the difference between freeware and free software.)

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    4. Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by kisak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What Emporer Linux charges for their custom version of Linux is a matter for them and the customers they can attract. A more interesting question is if Sharp forces them to pay the Windows tax, or if Sharp lets them buy the laptop without Windows pre-installed. I don't mind paying extra for a nicely setup linux system that is tuned for the hardware I am using. But I do mind giving money to the anti-competitive company MS which tries to sabotage linux and other software I use. Especially since I have not used any software from MS the last 6 years or so.

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    5. Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by zecg · · Score: 2, Funny

      How exactly does Emporer Linux justify chargin $500 more for a computer without a licencsed OS?

      Their Linux is lovingly hand-crafter, rolled between the thighs of Indonesian virgins and each package is sealed with a kiss from Linus Torvalds himself. And it's not "Emporer", but EMPEROR!!! EMPEROR, damn your illiterate bones. The finest of Linuxes.

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    6. Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?! by FauxPasIII · · Score: 5, Informative

      > I'm not great fan of Windows, but why should I pay $500 so that some screw up can spend 15min installing
      > a version of Linux I don't like (vs one I do like)?

      Somebody didn't rtfa (yeah yeah, I must be new here). First, we install all the major distros standard, and will do any
      distro you like for an additional fee. I'm the maintainer of our Debian and Ubuntu installers, for instance. And, we
      "justify" our markup because we put hundreds of hours of work into building a custom kernel for the machine that
      supports everything on it. That's winmodems, wireless, all the power management features, etc. When necessary,
      we write the code ourselves (and submit it upstream.)

      We also provide technical support to all our customers, and frankly I suspect that's why most of them keep coming
      back to us.

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  6. Good choice of distros by szlevente · · Score: 2, Insightful

    EmperorLinux (based on Fedora 3), Slackware, Red Hat Professional, Mandrake, Suse, Debian....they offer quite a good choice. Especially as most of these come for $0. Perhaps cusotmers will be more attracted to this notebook, when they see they don't have to pay extra $$$ for an operating system.

    1. Re:Good choice of distros by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except they do have to. The difference in price between the Molecule and the Actius AL3DU is approximately $500. For a Linux install.

      It's not appealing to anyone.

  7. what software is positioned to take advantage? by harlemjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    can anyone detail software optmized to take advantage of the 3D display technology

    I've never heard of any software (CAD/CAM included) that is optimized for 3D glasses -- what utility does the A3CLU add to the computing experience?

    And what linux apps are optimized for this? It would seem a bit of a waste if the only 3D tools were, say, KDE Widgets...

    Besides the cool factor that is...

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    1. Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? by MoralHazard · · Score: 2, Funny

      "can anyone detail software optmized to take advantage of the 3D display technology?"

      I'm gonna go with "Jack Shit", at least at the moment. I mean, this is literally the first consumer product the bring this technology to market.

      Although JackShit 2.1 (the development fork) has limited support for the technology right now. You can grab a CVS snapshot from Sourceforge.

    2. Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? by delire · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Alot of medical imaging, chemistry software for Linux exists, and also alot of proprietary animation/modelling software, like Maya, which can exploit stereo imaging. The freely available Blender can also exploit it, as part of the render chain:

      http://ltc2.smm.org/visualize/node/64

      The real question is not what Linux software uses it, but why and when you'd want to use it in the first place. I remember a few years ago a man tried to sell me a pair of USB stereoscopic glasses at a game development conference. He just couldn't believe it when I told him that immersion doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being inside the medium.

      I see this laptop will be marketed at imaging professionals needing a mobile presentation device that serves a larger audience than the standard LCD; Polarisation/blacking distortion is annoying when you're trying to sell your good-looking wares.

    3. Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? by mxpengin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well , actually you dont need the glasses to perceive the 3D in this kind of laptops. Once I used one of this ones, And I really didn't ejoyed it, I got a headache .... Its just to weird :P

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    4. Re:what software is positioned to take advantage? by lovebyte · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe that Pymol can display stereo models. It's a modelling package for chemistry/biology. And it's open source. There are countless non open source software in chemo/bioinformatics that use stereo views.
      I guess that's the reason why they call this laptop "molecule".

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  8. Win-modems by szlevente · · Score: 4, Informative

    The software win-modems on the Kiwi, Raven, Toucan, SilverComet, and Rhino series systems are fully supported in Linux with win-modem drivers.
    They just forgot to add that there is no free Linux driver for software win-modems with Conexant chipsets. The best I could find was at http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/, with a free version limited to 14.4 kbps. Add $14.95 to the price, if you want your modem to work.

    1. Re:Win-modems by bmw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They do actually say in the product details that the modem is only partially supported. This seems like an awfully strange choice of hardware given the circumstances. I know modems are nearly uesless these days with all the wifi networks everywhere but not only did they not include a wireless nic but I have to wonder what kind of company would sell a $4000 laptop with hardware that isn't fully supported by the pre-installed operating system. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

    2. Re:Win-modems by FauxPasIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > They just forgot to add that there is no free Linux driver for software win-modems with Conexant chipsets

      Not to give away the family jewels (I work at Emperor Linux), but... check under the alsa heading of your kernel config,
      and google for slmodem.

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  9. Re:Autonomy ? by delire · · Score: 2, Informative



    I get 4.5 hrs, including watching a DVD on my Asus M6N, though I don't quite know why this performs so well; considering watching/ripping DVD's is around twice the battery load.

    . http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm6nphotos.html

    I run a fairly light window manager, which I'm sure hits the GPU and processor with a softer hand albeit.

  10. Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless card? by expro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quite a hefty price for a laptop without a wireless card. Putting good wireless service into a Linux laptop would be a bigger step forward.

  11. Re:Supposed high-end laptop without a wireless car by delire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Right, I don't see what the problem is. I have a Centrino and the builtin wireless (ipw2200) works out of the box on these machines with Mepis/Ubuntu/Mandrake.

  12. New concept by gazpa · · Score: 2, Funny

    New concept in 3D sex TGP's. The next must be "Touch it" tecnology. ;P

  13. Re:argh! by BenjyD · · Score: 2, Informative

    It says:

    Estimated Life: 1.3 hours

    on the linux version. That's barely one average commute by train.

  14. Re:Finally... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Meh. Laptop specs seem to be flat-lining, but the prices are distinctly not dropping. I mean, come on, three years ago, I bought a UXGA/1Ghz/1GB Dell for $1,100 LESS than this, with TWO optical drives (one CDRW, one DVD) and about the same battery life. Yeah, gee-whiz technology, but from previous reports, it's about as "3D" as a prismatic baseball card (and, frankly, about as high-tech). The rest of the specs are downright underwhelming. Even if that damned screen was by itself worth $2k, this is still way overpriced, not least because they force you to toss out BOTH 512MB modules if you later want to max it out. Screw that, if you're going to pry $4k out of my hands, you can at least have the decency to use a single 1GB DIMM, damn it.

  15. Gah price! by allanc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, I want to support Linux vendors, but the model with Linux costs *$500* more than the version with Windows direct from Sharp. That seems a little pricey for a free OS, eh?

    (And I have to assume the sort of person who'd spend $3500 on a laptop to run Linux on either knows how to install Linux themselves or has people paid to do it for them)

    1. Re:Gah price! by FauxPasIII · · Score: 3, Informative

      > You know, I want to support Linux vendors, but the model with Linux costs *$500* more than the version with
      > Windows direct from Sharp. That seems a little pricey for a free OS, eh?

      I responded to this above, but briefly:

      o) All our laptops work out of the box with Linux. Wireless, power management, winmodems, etc. all work. Most
      of our customers don't have time to spend half a week getting their laptops up and running, but they do need
      Linux for a variety of reasons.

      o) We provide Linux tech support to our customers.

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  16. One moe! by ajaf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it's great to see laptops with linux being sold, but I ask one thing, who buy this kind of laptop? A linux user, or a person who doesn't know that it comes with linux? If it's the second option, does this person keeps linux, or install windows after he realize it's not the operating system of choice?
    It'd be great to see some statistics about that :)

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  17. Re:But so what by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    This kind of "solution looking for a problem" attitude isn't welcome round these parts.

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  18. Sharp AL3D Windows software beta for non AL3D user by langoulant · · Score: 2, Informative

    WARNING: SHAMELESS PLUG

    I lead the team developing stereoscopic software that has been distributed with every Sharp stereoscopic 3D laptop ever produced. Well... All the Windows ones... If your interested in trying our DDD TriDef software with one of many stereoscopic viewing methods (anaglyph glasses; other glasses free 3d displays;) please send me an email mailto:Brendan.Langoulant@gmail.com.

    DDD TriDef software enables you to:

    • Watch your current 2D DVDs in stereoscopic 3D
    • enable stereoscopic display for existing third party OpenGL apps
    • convert 2D photos into stereoscopic 3D photos

    You might like to check out our FAQs http://www.tridef.com/support/

    Regards,
    Brendan Langoulant
    Director of Software
    DDD

  19. Saw this at LinuxWorld by tweakt · · Score: 4, Informative

    The guys at Emperor Linux had one on display at LinuxWorld in Boston last month. It was creating a mob scene of people wanting to check it out. It's actally quite slick. The only thing is, it is very viewer-position dependent. Meaning, you have to be sitting right in the sweet spot to get the full effect. If you're a little off, you can still see it, but it's not as pronounced and you start to see some funkiness with the colors. The 3D mode can be switched on and off and in 2D mode, it looked usable (but 2D res looked pretty low to me, I'll stick with my SXGA+ thinkpad thanks).

  20. Re:But so what by LocoMan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well, if this becomes mainstream it could have some interesting uses, like for example having windows in the background actually look like they're below the active one. It won't really have much practical uses, but it'll have some nice eyecandy (hopefully without much performance hit if it's done in the 3D card level)

    Personally, as an amateur 3D animator I'd really like to have something like this, it would really help a LOT when doing 3D stuff if I could quickly tell which parts of the wireframe are closer than others... staring at wirefame of a high poly object can get very confusing and most of the times a bit of turning around is needed to make sense of it.

  21. EmperorLinux puts out a good product by defile · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I got the smallest of the small Sharp Actius laptops and they pre-loaded it with Debian Linux at my request. They don't just slap a Linux distro on and push it out the door, they make sure everything works as advertised, customizing whatever they need to to make sure it does. The modem works! Software suspend works!

    The model I got comes with a really small battery, and I bought an optional larger battery that has more life, but has a big buldge in it. The unit itself has no removeable disk drives -- everything is attached via USB. It comes with a docking station which allows the laptop to be used as a USB hard drive while it's powered off. Way cool.

    EmperorLinux provides a detailed manual on making the most of your laptop through the Linux environment. But enough about the geek stuff.

    The most important thing of all: when I pull this baby out at Starbucks, the chicks all turn their heads. A Dell doesn't do that. A Titanium Powerbook doesn't do that (anymore).

    Score!