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The Solar Death Ray

Ant writes the "Solar Death Ray is made of 112 mirrors mounted on a platform 4 feet wide and 6 feet tall. Each mirror is a square roughly 3.5 inches on edge. All these mirrors focus the sun to a single spot 5 feet, 6 inches from the mirror platform. A wooden fork extends from the mirror base to the area near the focus and serves as a mounting point for Solar Death Ray targets. The mirror platform is mounted to the support frame on a pivot that allows the platform to be angled. The whole system is mounted on a set of wheels. The goal of the Web site was to show the results of the targeted items when the solar death ray was used."

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  1. I've already seen it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And Batman & Robin wasn't very good.

  2. the website is subtitled by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

    How I squandered my youth and why I didn't get laid.

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    1. Re:the website is subtitled by Zone-MR · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm, judging by his short writeup it seems he's doing everything right.

    2. Re:the website is subtitled by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Funny
      I feel a disturbance in the InnoDB table - it's as if suddenly a million .sigs changed to the same exact value.

      Slashdot, we have a winner.

    3. Re:the website is subtitled by yo303 · · Score: 5, Funny
      From his imagined "finding a girlfriend" walkthrough:
      I think I need to find the "Conversation Starter" and use it in the "Social Setting," but I can't get past the troll at the entrance to "The Castle of Girls I Don't Know."
      Classic.
    4. Re:the website is subtitled by DjReagan · · Score: 4, Funny

      If nothing else, they'll have the smell right.

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    5. Re:the website is subtitled by Headcase88 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Psh, just mod him down 'till he goes past your threshold. That should take care oh 'em.

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  3. Don't /. the site by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Use the Coralized link here!

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    1. Re:Don't /. the site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must be new here. We like doing that !

  4. Heh by grub · · Score: 5, Funny
    From his main page:
    News:
    March 22, 2005: Holy crap! 120,000 page views today!
    Solar Death Ray Guy's next News entry should be fun.
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    1. Re:Heh by elflet · · Score: 5, Funny

      120,000 page views?! That's nothing compared to the Slashdot death ray!

    2. Re:Heh by cosinezero · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's not a moon!

    3. Re:Heh by noidentity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's a related article I just submitted:

      "Slashdot Death Ray is made of tens of thousands of geeks, most mounted on platforms approximately one to two feet high, and approximately 18 inches on each edge. Each geek focuses HTTP requests to a single web server at a distance ranging from tens to thousands of miles away. A web site is kept visible at all times on the geeks' computers and serves as mounting point for the URL of Slashdot Death Ray targets. The whole system is mounted on a large rock sphere. The goal of this summary is to show the results of the targeted website when the Slashdot Death Ray is used."

    4. Re:Heh by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      and approximately 18 inches on each edge

      Or so we'd like to think.

  5. Wierd! Science? by FreeLinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kent! Where'd you put the giant bag of popcorn at?

  6. Ultimate Geek Toy by Zone-MR · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want to build one of these now... Except I'm in Northern England. I'd be lucky if it could melt marshmallows :p

    1. Re:Ultimate Geek Toy by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not true. It has to go through more atmosphere if it is at a lower angle of incidence.

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    2. Re:Ultimate Geek Toy by Resident+Netizen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ultimate Geek Coffee?

      www.solarroast.com

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  7. The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by elflet · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's really only a "death ray" if you're really really tiny. Mythbusters did a great job of blowing the myth apart, with a much larger mirror array arranged in a proper fresnel configuration. It douldn't set fire to much of anything, even when they put gasoline on the target.

    1. Re:The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by b1t+r0t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ummmm, shields aren't concave, they're convex. I suppose they could be turned around, but then the handles and stuff counteract the effectiveness of the "focusing". Also, focusing only really helps at near the focal length. Beyond twice the focal length it should disperse rays that started as parallel.

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    2. Re:The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by b1t+r0t · · Score: 5, Informative
      Apparently it worked when it was tried in 1973 (see middle of page).

      A Greek scientist, Dr. ioannis Sakkas, curious about whether Archimedes could really have used a "burning glass" to destroy the Roman fleet in 212 BC lined up nearly 60 Greek sailors, each holding an oblong mirror tipped to catch the Sun's rays and direct them at a wooden ship 160 feet away. The ship caught fire at once.....Sakkas said after the experiment there was no doubt in his mind the great inventor could have used bronze mirrors to scuttle the Romans
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    3. Re:The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by sydb · · Score: 3, Funny

      In order to focus the sun's rays, fuckwit.

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    4. Re:The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by Mazem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mythbusters is far too quick to "bust" myths that are actually true to some extent. They make a couple of (usually poorly designed) tries to replicate the circumstances, and then when their small number of tests fail they declare the myth "busted".

      This is a perfect example. Mythbusters claims to have "busted" the solar death ray myth, yet the guys in this article were successful in lighting shop rags, pairs of old jeans, boardgames, etc on fire, and have pictures to prove it.

    5. Re:The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by nrlightfoot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Like hell Archimedes didn't set ships on fire with mirrors! We're talking about a guy who built a giant mechanical arm to tip over ships in the harbor in the 3rd century BC! I think burning ships with mirrors would be easier than that!

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    6. Re:The myth is dead! Long live the myth! by kd5ujz · · Score: 4, Informative

      They were testing the effects of SOUND on the plants, not the effects of breathing on them. Its obvious that if they crack open a bottle of CO2 inthe corner of the room, the plants will grow better.

      They DID show that plants that are exposed to sound grow better, and ones that are exposed to death metal grew the best.

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  8. From the Website by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Join the fun! Suggest a target!"

    Dantooine. I mean Alderan. I don't understand the question.

    1. Re:From the Website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's no sun!

  9. Stirling Engine by Skyshadow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wonder how much juice you could generate if you were to mount a stirling engine at the end of this sucker. Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper/easier to implement than normal high efficiancy solar cells if you could work out a reasonable and reliable sun tracking system.

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    1. Re:Stirling Engine by loraksus · · Score: 3, Informative
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  10. The Alan Parsons Project by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Ant writes the "Solar Death Ray is made of 112 mirrors mounted on a platform 4 feet wide and 6 feet tall...."

    Yeah, but can you mount it on the head of a friggin shark?

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  11. Who needs a solar death ray... by kennyj449 · · Score: 4, Funny

    when you can just point Slashdot at a server?

  12. Re:Magnification by Yotsuya · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mirrors do the same as magnification, it concentrates the sun in one place.

    Anyway, it's been done before:
    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bclee/lens .html

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  13. Warning! by Eryq · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't look at mirrors with remaining... er... head...

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  14. Ha! You call that a solar death ray? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    THIS is a solar death ray: 10 metres of high-precision parabolic polished aluminium. (And there are bigger ones out there in the world too.)

    I've observed there. Because it is radio astronomy, we could observe before sunset and after sunrise, but for some reason we had strict instructions to never let the sun fall on the dish. (That includes the back, but that was to do with thermal distortion of the dish, rather than frying the focus.)

    I also used my HP48SX calculator (running a terminal emulator) to command the telescope to slew. Because of this, I claim the CSO as world's the largest and most expensive peripheral for a pocket calculator.

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  15. Re:Magnification by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well... the whole point is energy per unit area on the object.

    This is focused light via reflection, not refraction as would come from a magnifying glass or lense.

    This contraption probably wouldn't gain much by using a lense. Extra square footage of mirrors would increase it's delicious fry-it power though....

  16. Larry Niven strikes again; Ringworld sunflowers. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Larry Niven invented the "flashmob" years ago. Now, it looks like someone has come up with something similar to his Ringworld "Sunflowers", which consisted of petal-ringed mirrors which could focus on prey and turn it into ash fertilizer.

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  17. Feh, Kid's stuff by loraksus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This one is a bit bigger!

    The parabolic reflector gaves at the focal point a maximum flux of 1000 W/cm2. The experimentations takes place at the focal zone (18 m in front of the paraboloid. The range of available temperature is from 800 to 2500 C (the maximum reachable temperature is 3800 C) for a maximum thermal power of 1000 kW.
    (Did someone just say holy fucking shit?)
    Picture of the Odeillo Solar Furnace

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  18. Re:Myth Busted! by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why, you're absolutely right. It's a myth. This guy must have FAKED all those photos!

  19. The Tetris Disk by phuturephunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although I found the justification for the Hootie and the Blowfish tape hilarious, he should be flogged with a bamboo cane for burning that tetris disk. That thing was a fucking museum piece!

  20. Re:Ha! You call that a solar death ray? by John+Seminal · · Score: 3, Funny
    I also used my HP48SX calculator (running a terminal emulator) to command the telescope to slew. Because of this, I claim the CSO as world's the largest and most expensive peripheral for a pocket calculator.

    You are such a nerd. We will have to make you king of the winter carnival.

    10 metres of high-precision parabolic polished aluminium

    Why aluminum? Is it the most reflective substance on earth?

    we had strict instructions to never let the sun fall on the dish

    No matter where you point it, you are pointing it somewhere.

    And make sure to not leave it pointing in the direction of the only all-black fraternity house on campus. That could start up those nasty black versus nerd wars again. Instead, point it at the Sigma Chi house, those bastards are always burning down their own house... nobody will suspect anything.

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  21. I'd like to see... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd like to see a beowulf cluster of those...

  22. Re:Gluttonous REAL GENIUS plug... by temojen · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it was a laser... very intense highly colimated (parallel) light. This site is about a parabolic reflector, which makes the light converge on a small area. Lasers can target any point in line with the beam. With a parabolic reflector, the light gets weaker (less concentrated) as you move past the focus. Beyond the distance between the reflector and the focal point the light is weaker than the origional light. Of course this is a faceted reflector, so the light isn't really weaker, it's just less and less likely that any point on a plane parallel to the relector will be illuminated the further away from the focal point you are.

  23. Not so tiny by PxM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given that he was able to set a rag on fire, I'm guessing that the Mythbusters team did something incorrectly regarding the focusing of their mirrors. And your link says they used a circular configuration which is only good in limited cases since the light is focused in a line (which isn't really focus) rather than a point. This was parabolic setup which is why he was able to melt plastic and set a rose on fire.

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    1. Re:Not so tiny by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They were attempting to replicate what Greeks could have reasonably done with the technology they had available. The myth isn't that you can use a bunch of mirrors to set things on fire. The myth is that Greeks 2500 years ago were able fire ships some distance away in a harbor. They wouldn't have been using any sort parabolic mirror and even a concave one of any reflectivity at all would be a serious stretch. The Mythbusters did a decent job of showing that the ancient Greeks probably didn't have sufficient mastery of optics to make a practical sunlight weapon.

    2. Re:Not so tiny by RodgerDodger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We don't know what technology the Greeks had; we know very little about them. What we do know indicates that this was possible.

      They certainly knew geometry and optics. What they didn't know was glass. Crystal lenses have been discovered all over the Mediterranean.

      Discovering how a parabolic array (lots of flat mirrors lined up along the curve of a parabola) focuses light is something that Archimedes could have confirmed - all it takes is an inquistive mind and observation. Getting a few hundred soldiers to position shields correctly would have been fairly trivial.

      Why wouldn't it have become a popular weapon? It's not reliable enough. You need to have lots of mirrors, room to set them up in a parabolic curve, lots of bright sunlight, and a relatively slow moving target that will cross a known point at the right time. It's not easy but it would be possible.

      Consider that triremes didn't usually sail at night - an invading fleet might well have pulled up not far from the harbor for the night, with intent to sail in an hour or two after dawn.

      See:

      http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mirrors.htm
      http: //www.trmkt.com/902manu.html

      And google for "ancient greek lens"

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    3. Re:Not so tiny by bluGill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A parabolic array only matters when you are trying to focus a signal. The Greeks were only interested in energy, and had no concern for phases. Therefore they don't need anything other than clear line of sight to the target for everyone. Each person just has to figure out which of the (many) bright spots is the one they control, and keep that more or less on the target. So long as the average energy reaching the target spot is enough it doesn't matter if many are not on target at any particular moment.

  24. Re:MythBusters? by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe not igniting them directly, but...

    How about blinding the sailors on board, who then run around in a panic and knock over the pot of charcoals used for igniting the flaming arrows? Carcoals ignite the ship's deck instead, or someone's clothes, the fire spreads, voila. No more battleship.

  25. Magnification does nothing by gnuman99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Magnification does nothing. It is light intensity that counts. You may use a magnifier to focus the light from a larger area to a smaller area - you don't magnify it. The mirrors do the same thing.

    Proof: Take a microscope and set it to 500X. Point the objective at the sun. Do you death rays spewing from the eyepiece? (Answer: no). To find out why, read the first paragraph or ask someone that *really* knows. (Hopefully someone that took some optics (physics) or astronomy)

    1. Re:Magnification does nothing by The_Wilschon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. In order to get the same power output from a completely magnification based setup, you'd need a magnifier with area about equal to the area of all the mirrors put together. The only really feasible way to do this is to use a fresnel lens, a normal lens would either be much too thick in the middle (because the thickness is proportional to the radius, and we're talking a pretty good sized lens) or else the focal point of the lens would be pretty far away...

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    2. Re:Magnification does nothing by jericho4.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No they're not similar at all. The microscope uses lenses and refractors, while the telescope uses magic.

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  26. Solar Death Ray by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hate to be the one to point this out, but um. They haven't actually killed anything. This more accurately should be called a Solar Plastic-Melting Ray.

  27. Re:Ha! You call that a solar death ray? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.

    You forgot libstdcpp.

  28. The website death ray by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Slashdot Death Ray is made of 1 website and no mirrors of the target site mounted on a platform of linux, perl, and horribly mangled html. Each user is a square (ed. note: update to modern parlance, ie "geek"). All these mirrors focus the slashdot to a single web server. A wooden fork is stuck into the web server after it melts to signify that it is "done". The mirror platform is often asked for and often denied by CmdrTaco, who mounted his stock answer on an FAQ somewhere. The whole system is mounted on a stack of open protocols dating back to the early days of DARPA. The goal of the Web site was to show the results of the targeted items when the slashdot death ray was used."

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  29. Kindergarten Death Squad!!! by Meostro · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always wanted to round up a kindergarten class worth of children to act as my solar death squad. Here's how it would work:

    1. Give each kid their own shiny little mirror with a post-it note stuck on it to block the shiny part
    2. One at a time, have them remove the post-it, aim their mirror to reflect the sun upon some point, then re-post-it.
    3. Once everyone is aimed (30 kids or so), have them all remove their post-its at once, instantly creating a plasma-hot ball of fire at the point of focus, incinerating your enemies with the might of a kindergarten class.

    Has anyone else had this idea too, or am I the only weirdo around here?

    1. Re:Kindergarten Death Squad!!! by Mulletproof · · Score: 3, Funny

      [i] I always wanted to round up a kindergarten class worth of children to act as my solar death squad.[/i]

      Just make sure to weed out those ADD kids. Nothing is worse than being disentigrated by your own Kindergarden Solar Death Ray Squad(TM) just because one wants to play with a bug or something.

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  30. Metaslashdotting... by Weyoun · · Score: 3, Funny

    ERROR
    The requested URL could not be retrieved

    While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.solardeathray.com.nyud.net:8090/

    The following error was encountered:

    * Access Denied.

    Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect.

  31. Your museum sucks. by douglips · · Score: 3, Informative

    What sort of lame museum exhibits things you can buy for $5 on ebay?
    Tetris the Classic PC Puzzle Video Game 5.25" 3.5"

  32. Re:Take it to the Nth Degree! by Delilah+Jones · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, I'm checking this out right now.

    http://www.wentworth.nsw.gov.au/solartower/faq.p hp

    It doesn't use mirrors, but a covered substrate which captures the hot air (greenhouse effect), and funnels it into a large central tower.

    The hot air (no water/steam required in this design) then moves the turbines.

    Looks pretty sweet.

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  33. Definitely not new by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a solar furnace, of which there are many in use today. The biggest one in the world is the Odeillo Solar Furnace located in Odeillo, France. The top 3 in use in the United States are at Sandia National Labs, Georgia Tech and the White Sands Missile Test Range. Awesome stuff!

    One amusing side note is that Frank Gehry's popular postmodern buildings have been noted to act as solar collectors, effectively frying people passing by on the sidewalk.

  34. Re:Solar Death Ray by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate to be the one to point this out, but um. They haven't actually killed anything. This more accurately should be called a Solar Plastic-Melting Ray.

    No, he did kill some something: Army men. Okay, maybe they are made of plastic, but they're still men.

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  35. No, not true by JoeBuck · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If the sun is at a lower angle in the sky, it goes through more atmosphere and more of the light scatters. That's why the sky is red at sunrise and sunset.

    You'd be right if there were no atmosphere.

  36. 1 killowatt "deathray" by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    the death ray is 4 feet mirror is 4 feet by 6 feet. It looks to have a bout 50% of its area covered with cheap mirrors, which I'll assume are about 80% refelective. that makes it about a square meter of effective reflectivity. the solar flux near the equator is about 1 kilowatt per sq meter. This is focused down to an area of about 6 inches square or about the size of a stove burner. A typical stove burner probably runs at about 1.5 KW. so basically this thing has the heat delivery of a burner. Actually a bit less since the object itself may be reflective over a large part of the spectrum. So call it maybe half a stove burner. Still plenty to fry plastic, your hand, or even start a fire.

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  37. Re:Solar Death Ray by mswope · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have this mental image of him trying to sneak up on the "enemy" to get that thing within 4 feet of them and then trying to get on the side of them away from the sun...
    "Behold the terrible power of the SUN! Hold still, please!"

  38. Re:Solar Death Ray by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know how this got to (Score 3, Insightful), but the genius mod responsible is my new fucking hero.

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