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Digital Future of the Library of Congress
lesinator writes "On Monday the 28th the US Library of Congress
is holding the eighth lecture in its series on
Managing Knowledge
and Creativity in a Digital Context. Previous speakers include
David Weinberger on blogging,
Brewster Kahle -
founding member
of archive.org and the wayback machine, and
Lawrence Lessig on intellectual
property
and the creative commons. After the lecture questions will be taken from the audience and the internet. C-Span
will be broadcasting the lecture
live at 6:30 PM EST, and also has
archives of previous lectures. Audio archives of previous lecture are available at Audible.com in the Selected Free Media section."
We'll know just how much storage really is required to hold the Library of Congress.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Maybe the fine folks at audio.com might consider making their audio clips available by means other than the Real or MS media players?
I Want To Believe
What are they thinking! Airing this at 6:30 PM EST! CSpan has just ensured that nobody on the west coast will see this. Or, is that what they are aiming for?
Silence is golden... and duct tape is silver.
How long is it going to take to digitize the entire library?
Anyone have a good approximation? I'd like to know in Burning Libraries of Congress (BLC) please.
I'm guessing somewhere around 10-200 BLC.
Here an interesting talks they might give:
i) What if the Apostles had had technological means to prevent the reproduction of the New Testament?
ii) Would our culture be diminished if the people who rediscovered Beowulf had been unable to decrypt the manuscript?
iii) Is the continual repitition and reworking of myth and fable through the Oral Tradition disrespectful of the content creators who first recorded these stories?
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
It is amusing that this story follows directly after a story about Microsoft proprietary file formats.
The Library of Congress should insist that all 'publications' be submitted to it in open formats. What good is it if they have something on file that nobody can read! The extreme is that they have to have a licensed copy of every piece of software that ever created a file. If all the formats have to be open then at least historians can cobble together something that can read a file of interest.
With the ip laws as stupid as they are now, we run the real risk of losing the record of our age.
You'd better read this.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
"Managing Knowledge and Creativity with DRM"...
Sponsored by Apple and Microsoft!
I can never understand why there isn't more acknowledgment of our debt to Project Gutenberg on these issues.
Michael Hart was digitizing books before digitizing books was cool, as far back as 1971, and the Project's efforts have been hugely successful on very little money. Nevertheless, I rarely see any official or media acknowledgment of the Project's efforts. If anyone should be on that panel for their ability to give advice from practical experience and performance in this field, while on a shoestring budget, it would be Hart!
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With the current wave of outsourcing, privatization, and government use of commercial contractors, I wonder if Amazon or Google don't have a major role to play in the process of cataloging/archiving/serving digital content in the future.
Although LOC could never be replaced by a Google or Amazon, these private companies could provide services that augment or reduce the cost of LOC-like services. For example, if Amazon scans a book, why should LOC scan it too?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Assuming 10% overhead for indexing, 1.1LOC.
"Because Science" is one step from "Because old book". Try "Because of my experiment testing my falsifiable assertion".
Authorship of the New Testament is not a simple question at all. First off, the Apostles didn't sit down and start collecting the New Testament. That was done hundreds of years later by some chaps in Rome or Turkey who also had political axes to grind. Every few decades or centuries, there's also Yet Another Translation, and in the forward they talk about the prayer, consideration, and attempts to divine the True Word of God that went into it. Common belief is that over the centuries there has been so much prayer, consideration, and attempts to divine the True Word of God that today's bibles MUST be correct. Yet in spite of all that, I have this feeling that precedent is even stronger in the Bible than in the US legal system, and that we're still carrying the weight of perhaps improper decisions made over a thousand years ago, plus trying to justify them.
Then you also get to the issue of what is and isn't in the Bible. Consider "The suppressed Gospels and Epistles of the original New Testament of Jesus the Christ, Complete" http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/6516 for an example. Would the Apostles have wanted them published, or not? What about "The Forgotten Books of Eden"? Or less/more controversial, how about Maccabees, Sirach, Tobit, and company - the ones in the Catholic, but not the Protestant Bible? (Perhaps Maccabees is the most historically verifiable book IN the Bible, too.)
By the way, most of the Bible ended up being written down much later - after even US copyrights would have expired. Good thing Steamboat Willie doesn't date back to BC.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
It would seem if the LOC is going to have X number of Petabytes on computers...why not have a second copy stored AWAY from DC. If something were to happen to DC at least we would have backup copies of everything...and we probably should have a separate backup location at a third site.
The fact that Project Gutenberg has not consumed huge amounts of money to produce a great amount of value is PRECISELY WHY it does not get more recognition.
The business of charity does not want competition from groups that create better products for less money, as that would put pressure on them to create a reasonable amount of value themselves, without the benefits of cushy offices and hefty salaries.
The business of education also does not want competition from organizations that produce greater value at lower cost, without the benefits of cushy offices and hefty salaries (for the administrators - not the profs).
Plus, Project Gutenberg has focused more on PRODUCING VALUE than on getting publicity and recognition for doing so. And the folks in the media tend to be too lazy and stupid to recognize what is REALLY worth reporting.
Baldur_of_Asgard
DRM and archiving are quite conflicting. But then again, how do you make available information on which you want to retain technical methods of copyright protection?
I think the obvious solution is to archive it in a non-DRM, non-proprietary format, but transcode to a DRM/proprietary format when retrieved, if the content is not in the public domain.
500GB of disk, 5TB of transfer, $5.95/mo
But how are we going to measure asteroids and meteors now that the larger imperial unit (Libraries of Congress) is going to get smallers? Will we have to fall back to the smaller unit (VW Beetles) for all of them now?
Viral software licensing is not freedom, it is in fact GNU/Socialism.
Have you ever seen someone's hundred and fifty page thesis, diagrams and all, fit onto a 3.5" floppy? People who wrote their theses in TeX or LaTeX, with a few postscript diagrams. I was impressed by how tiny the code for a real, well-produced book could be.
'Course, the problem is that these representations work if you're entering in the content with that method in the first place.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Man, you're appealing to malice a lot more than laziness and stupidity, when the latter is a much, much more likely culprit.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Excuse me, sir. I think you are lost. I believe the thread you are looking for is here.
Have a nice day, and good karma to you!
The LOC has announced that they are accepting volunteers to digitize texts. Their first volunteer is Earl the night janitor, who has been busily keying in the last 20 years of New York City phone books. He hopes to move on to Chicago soon.
I'm not good in groups. It's difficult to work in a group when you're omnipotent. - Q
Let's just say that I have seen so many examples that I can only conclude that:
(1) People in many "charitable" organizations and "educational" establishments are quite corrupt; or
(2) People in many "charitable" organizations "educational" establishments are amazingly, astoundingly stupid.
Neither bodes well, but only corruption seems to explain all the facts, especially in the case of the "education" establishment.
Baldur of Asgard
" 1.)Steal LOC Carmen Sandiego style 2.)???? 3.)Profit 4.)???? 5.)???? 6.)Jail time 7.)???? 8.)President of US"
Dude, that is some business plan/method! Did you try to patent it yet?
all the best,
drew
I would have given you +1 Funny
FreeMusicPush If you want to see more Free Music made, listen to Free
(1) Under the old US law, content had to be marked "Copyright" to be copyrighted. Under the present US law, all work is automatically copyrighted the moment it is created, UNLESS the author specifies otherwise. I think this holds true for works since, was it 1987? I forget exactly - but it's been a little while now.
(2) A person who transcribes a book that is in the public domain can CLAIM a copyright on it, but this is not enforceable unless they have changed the text significantly enough for it to be a new work - in which case you probably don't want it anyhow, except possibly as a work of satire or fiction.
Baldur of Asgard
I wonder how long before they merge with the CIA and become the Central Intelligence Corporation...
(It's a joke.)
Are they requiring publishers to submit PDF files for new entries yet? Or files in another open format? Man, I'd hate to see taxpayer's money wasted on doing work that they could avoid doing by simply mandating PDF submissions from publishers.
I can see that some publishers may just say, "oh, my book isn't gonna be in libraries if I don't submit PDF, so much the better, I'll sell more copies". I hope these fellas realize how badly they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Maybe:
(3) People in many charitable organizations are out DOING charity, not talking about it. Kind of like Project Gutenberg.
I suspect it's the (3)s that make charity work, and make people want to keep it alive, but it's the (1)s that make the most noise and draw the most money.
IMHO there's an unfortunately large class of people who specialize in smelling the flow of money, and inserting themselves into that flow. The world would be for the most part better off without them.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Isn't the Library of Congress' digital collection, especially with respect to music, going to totally screw iTunes and any other online DRM stuff, in order to bring us our library materials?
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... that as a universal unit of measurement, it's gonna be around for a while.
Since nearly all typesetting is done electronically these days, I wonder if they shouldn't just have publishers send them the raw typesetting documents in addition to a hardcopy. It wouldn't be much work for the LOC to write (or buy) software to convert all the common typesetting formats into whatever standard format(s) they would like to use internally, and for dispersion to the public.
:)
It would certainly be smarter than scanning them in themselves, or demanding extra work on the publishers part to to convert to a format like PDF that might not be preferable 100 years from now. Heck for all I know they may very well be doing what I said - I know nothing about how the LOC works
Just assume they'll store all that data on the old type punch cards, or those big drums from before I was a fetus. Then, the LoC can retain its position as the largest unit of mass, data, AND volume.
Learn something new.
- The OCR is always correct.
- The documents could be represented in ASCII
- The text is the only part of the document with any value
Of course, your second paragraph shows that clearly those assumptions can't be true -- why would someone pay more for something without an additional benefit?And you wouldn't maintain seperate databases -- pictures aren't searchable. You'd want to use any OCRd (preferably vetted afterwards) as the basis for indexing the images, so that you could help people find more images that might be of interest to them (which you mentioned in the second paragraph). However, I'm not sure what the requirements are that the LOC operates under, so even if they're allowed to do cost recovery or otherwise charge fees.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
sometime before the "finale" Enterprise gets destroyed and they rebuilt it as Enterprise B heh
long time lurker, rare poster
Name a few more, and I'll add them to future rants.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
No such thing as Left Over Crack
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It's an open format. Adobe does not control it, just like they don't control TIFF or PostScript (despite having invented both).
Troll? That's cool. I could comment on how the moderation system has completely derailed since then too, but I wouldn't want to upset anybody :).
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean