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New Photoshop Details Leaked
Odie writes "Oops. Looks like Adobe accidentally let slip the details of the next Photoshop version due on Friday. According to BetaNews, the next version, dubbed Photoshop CS2, is supposed to add several new features such as Image Warp and Vanishing Point, as well as changing around the file browser to allow users access to royalty-free images from five providers for use in their work.
The new version is due in May according to the press release which BetaNews saw."
What are the chances they'll make a linux version. I haven't gotten any versions past 6 to run with wine.
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The only thing this program can't do is make me a talented photographer.
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I really wish other media (sound, music, pictures) was as clear cut as software when it comes to free usage.
For example, if I wanted to write a piece of software and needed icons for it, I might be able to find some but rarly do you get any kind of guarentee that they won't turn around and sue you.
Point is, this feature is welcome as long as they are very explicit about *exactly* how you can use this material.
As long as it restricts loading of certain documents such as paper currency, I am not interested. Adobe is a tool.
I do use the File Browser, find it useful, and don't like you thinking that just because it isn't important to you that no one else should have it either.
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the details of the next PhotoShop version due on Friday... The new version is due in May...
So, wait. Is the new version due on Friday, or is it due in May? I'm seriously confused by this poorly worded sentence.
Will someone remind me what it is the Slashdot editors do?
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But but what we really want to know is if it will run on Linux?
I think it is called marketing and its goal is to create buzz...and /. bought it, hoook, line and sinker
Actually, it's a sad statement if you expect the OS to cost more than the applications. Either you expect everything to be included in the OS, you're used to high-price OS through virtual monopoly, or you're suffering from both, via a Microsoft mentality.
Given the profit potential for someone using this software professionally, I think the price tag is actually quite reasonable.
(Now, if only they'd make their products run on Linux.)
Linux - because it doesn't leave that Steve Ballmer aftertaste.
Nobody uses Photoshop? To me thats like saying nobody uses Microsoft Word. Yes, there are alternatives, but I wouldn't ignore almost every design shop in the world... Photoshop is the standard.
If you are implying like... GIMP being a "simplier" design, then I will simply point and laugh at you.
Photoshop is good. I may have a biasedness toward it, because I learned how to use it with Photoshop 2.0 in Computer Graphics/Advanced Comp Graphics AP in highschool, on a Mac.
Saying that, Photoshop could certainly draw a parallel in the same way that I play Quake with just the keyboard... in the beginning there was Wolf3d and the keyboard... then Doom. Doom just added a couple of keys.. Doom 2 added a couple more. Quake added a few. Quake 2 added a few. Sure, it would be hard to learn to play well with the keyboard in Quake 2 if you are just starting out, but creaping in features every iteration is easy to adapt to.
When it comes down to it, if you do professional graphics, you use photoshop whether you like it or not. And with that, you will know how to use it. Most people on the "intarweb" with bad photoshop opinions simply warez'd some version, and cant figure out how all of those artists make such pretty pictures
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And how many photographers and artists heard about the Sklyarov case? Virtually zero. A vanishingly small number of people have even heard about it
Have you considered that many of us have heard about it, and simply don't care? Guy breaks EULA, guy reverse engineers copyright protection code, guy publishes way to break company's proprietary document protection code, company gets understandably upset and pursues legal options. Ho-hum. Why should Adobe have acted any differently.
They still make the best imaging software, by far, of anyone in the industry. I'm not going to boycott them simply because they tried to defend some of their IP (those tyrannical bastards! Imagine, trying to protect something they invested in to create! Capitalist dogs!)
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Not too expensive considering it's a pro level software that you could make money with... :)
Also doesn't look too expensive once you start to compare it with 3D apps where a single seat of a pro level software can go from around $400 (the most basic level of XSI that got a huge price cut not too long ago) to over $11,000 (Houdini Master)... :)
Photoshop is a professional tool aimed at a professional market. $149 is nothing, and even the full retail price is a pittance compared to what professional users get out of it. Photoshop's a hell of a lot cheaper than assembling and maintaining a darkroom.
You can make $149 back in no time, not to mention it's chump change compared to printing equipment. For that matter, the Photoshop CS upgrade was $169, so CS2 is cheaper.
You may well be very few. The OS should not cost more than applications software, because applications are what people actually use to work/play/communicate and the OS is just what abstracts hardware. How much do ypu pay for a TV and how much you pay for cable? How much for a telephone and how much for actually phoning? How much for sitting at a restaurant and how much for food? The OS should be free (no money) and in practical terms it is, even 99% of legal windows copies are cheap (oem versions add very little to the PC cost, even when nobody knows how much).
I think it's fine for them to cost more than the OS. The OS should be free with the hardware...
But, it's a little extreme when the application costs more than the hardware.
(Like a WoW subscription costing more than the internet connection to play it on.)
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".. not like anyone uses any more is it"
Maybe if you live under a rock called the Web thats true.
Show me something else that does CMYK and seperation as well out there in the PRINT world ?
I hate PS, but in that market its the only game in town, all those patents and work they put into it.
In case you dont know CMYK is what all 4 color process is done with, 4 color process being whats used to PRINT paper thingies....
You know, this "let's steal everything that's not fucking nailed down" attitude is driving this once-interesting web site into the ground.
"who make a shitload of money using it."
Yeah...pretty soon you'll save enough to get an apartment and move out of your mom's basement.
Dude. $40K/year is entry level money for people with any kind of skills these days.
Um. Yeah. I'm guessing you probably are. The first thing everybody turns OFF in Illustrator is the stupid "show fonts in their own faces" thing. For the first, everybody knows what all their fonts look like already. For the second, it slows the program down something awful to have to load and cache a few hundred fonts every time the program starts.
Are these compelling features to anybody? It seems to me like Photoshop is a product that's just reached the limit of being able to produce worthwhile upgrades. I'm sure a lot of these features are nice, but come on. Photoshop 6 does the job just fine. Version 7 is better, but a couple hundred dollars better? The same goes for CS and now CS2. I applaud adobe for making what is, to my mind, one of the most usable pieces of software ever given complexity of the job it does, but you've got to let your customers off the hamster wheel upgrade cycle at some point... don't you?
But you're right - developing for Windows sucks. I would know. (Plus, in your list, you forgot to add ATL/COM, to take advantage of a bunch of crappy .ocx controls.)
Guy breaks EULA, guy reverse engineers copyright protection code, guy publishes way to break company's proprietary document protection code, company gets understandably upset and pursues legal options. Ho-hum. Why should Adobe have acted any differently.
..or you could go with 'guy is employed by a company to write software which enables a specific legal right in their country'. An EULA, or any contract, cannot break the law.
Skylarov and his employer created a product that allowed end users to make an electronic backup of documents; a practice specifically allowed for under russian law.
Here is a simlar analogy. Would you think it permissable for one of the vacationing principal authors of slashcode to be detained and prosecuted on a trip to China? Slashcode by all accounts is completely legal here in the U.S. However, in China such seditious tools are outlawed by the state.
Nobody cares about Mr. Skylarov, but everybody should care about what he represents.
I used GIMP a lot, but until it gets an equivalent of the Photoshop Mesh Warp tool (one that doesn't require a C compiler to install), I'm missing a critical tool.
Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
Most people who think that good photographs are created in Photoshop are simply lousy photographers. If you know your craft, you'll need to do very little work in a photo editor.
God, I get so sick of this line of thinking. Why was it valid for a photographer like Ansel Adams to use extensive darkroom manipulation to get a great print, yet somehow unacceptable for a modern photographer to use Photoshop in much the same way? I hate to break it to you, but I think Ansel Adams would have LOVED Photoshop.
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Adobe is pretty lax about piracy, as long as you're not reselling copies. Most people who aren't using it for commercial purposes buy it for $0. Think of it this way: are you going to pay $599 for software you have never used before? No. So, if one pirates it and THEN learns to use it, they may eventually go professional, and then have the money (and feel legally obligated, should a client question them) to buy it.
The turning-a-blind-eye-to-piracy approach allows people the opportunity to learn the software without a big investment, and once you have learned it, you're pretty much hooked. Then, when a new version of Photoshop comes out (and perhaps you aren't a broke script kiddie anymore), you consider actually buying it for the new features instead of waiting around for it to be cracked. You also know that your money won't go to software you will never use.
And even if you don't buy that argument, Adobe does have a cheaper version, called Photoshop Elements. It has features the casual user would need, and allows someone to grow familiar with the Photoshop interface before diving into the murky waters of $600 software.
Actually, thats like saying nobody uses oxygen to breathe.
The percentage of serious designers that use PS is probably above 95%.
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Despite the name, Photoshop is not only used for photo manipulation. I don't even own a digital camera and I use Photoshop extensively in the creation of textures for video games, abstract art, graphic design (as in logos and banners and such), interface design, and so forth. For all of these things, Photoshop is wonderful, and what you probably consider "gimmicks" in the realm of photo manipulation are indisposable tools for some of the things that I do.
All that said, I could certainly think up ways to redesign the interface from scratch a lot better, since I generally don't like monolithic apps like this on principle; but given that that's the paradigm we're working in, with an app-centric monolithic world, I think Photoshop does a pretty decent job of what it does.
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It's a trademark issue, not a license issue, so, yes, they can go after you even if you don't agree to their license.
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One day, "The" Gimp may be passable as a user friendly professional grade tool (and I think it WILL reach that point), but it's not their yet. For all-around usability and functionality, there are still man tools out there that are cheaper (MUCH) than Photoshop with a MUCH lower learning curve than "The" Gimp.
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Adobe should relax about losing their trademark. I bet they'd much rather have "photoshop" used as a verb and become generic than have "gimp" used in the same context, since then it would be The GIMP and not their product that had become the Kneenex of kleenex.
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