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Computer Crash Reactions Examined

dankinit writes "MSNBC has an amusing story about research showing how people react to computer crashes and losing data. Among the numbers, 7% of those surveyed hit the computer, 13% yell at first, and another 13% try to "sweet-talk" their computer. The article also has results from a study done at the Univ. of Maryland. In that study, "One restaurant manager who was so upset with his laptop that he threw it into deep fryer. That destroyed the laptop ... and deep fryer, too.""

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  1. Depends by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny
    My reaction depends on which machine we are talking about:


    My desktop at work: I do a dance of joy! Finally I get a new linux machine. Thankfully all my data is on the server so my desktop is no loss.

    My home computer that hasn't been backed up in ages: I smack my head until I pass out. When I wake up I smack some more. I gnash my teeth as I lament the demise of my Diablo2 level 46 druid! Oh and all the pictures of both my kids.

    The server at work: I start with a huge sigh as I restore data followed by snarls at users bugging me asking every ten minutes when the server will be back up.

    The server at work that has bad backups that never got verified because everyone but me thinks the tapedrive is a magic box that never makes bad backups and I never get time allocated to manually verify them or time/money to come up with a better solution: I start smiling at the users as I fervently start hoping my home computer doesn't crash before I get home and print my resume. Where are the good backup tapes the users ask? Oh yeah, I took them home for offsite safekeeping, let me clean out my desk and go home to get them.....

    1. Re:Depends by Brown+Eggs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, no matter what machine it is, I weep like a little girl who just lost her doll

    2. Re:Depends by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      They made me do the backups here. I've just been handing in blank disks.

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    3. Re:Depends by RJack-45 · · Score: 5, Funny

      When I first started at this job, I found out that the tapes they were using for backups were write-protected! They dutifully changed the tapes every morning, but nothing could ever be written to them! I checked the logs, and the last successful backup was like three years ago.

    4. Re:Depends by carpe_noctem · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It was never violent for me. I lost the hard drive in my webserver when it was mysteriously dropped while I was on christmas vacation.

      4 years of email archives, website work, pictures, etc. All of my CVS archives (though fortunately, enough people had copies of my code and were nice enough to email them back to me... linus torvalds was right about backups!). Not to mention the fact that I lost the same amount of data for about a dozen friends which I was hosting. Damn.

      My first reaction wasn't anger or grief (those both came later). It was fervor... the inspiration of trying to stay up all night and do anything possible to recover the data. No dice. Then the truth started to sink in...

      The sad part is that I wasn't able to back up this machine, so I kind of saw this coming... I knew that it would be screwed if something happened to that drive, but I had no way to reliably back up 40Gb of data. The internet connection it was on was too slow to do a network backup, not to mention that my workplace would probably kill me for doing that on a regular basis. The server itself was a cobalt raq2, which means it had only a power plug, serial port, and ethernet cable on the back. So, no usb, firewire, or cdr backups were possible here, and backing data up to the drive itself obviously wouldn't have helped.

      I guess the inevitable finally happened, but at least I learned from my lessons. I scrapped the cobalt and converted an old machine into my new server, with a mirrored raid-1 2x80Gb array. I rebuilt my home server, too, with a raid-5 4x80Gb array, and now I use a laptop and rsync to keep religious backups.

      I don't really see it as "backing up", though... for instance, the music I write is on my laptop, because that's where I write it. When I finish writing a track, I'll master it on my desktop, and make a copy of it there. And every so often, I'll rsync the two servers just to make sure everything's current. I found it way too hard to discipline myself to make consistent backups, but it's easy to just copy data around. Once you get into the habit, it's far more foolproof than a tar+cron backup or trying to remember it by hand.

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    5. Re:Depends by krgallagher · · Score: 5, Funny
      "My home computer that hasn't been backed up in ages: I smack my head until I pass out. When I wake up I smack some more. I gnash my teeth as I lament the demise of my Diablo2 level 46 druid! Oh and all the pictures of both my kids."

      Q: What is the first thing you do when your computer crashes?
      A: Swear from now on you will make regular backups.

      Q: What is the last thing you actually do when your computer crashes?
      A: Begin making regular backups.

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    6. Re:Depends by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Informative
      Great link, I'll be checking this out later!

      However, do not use this sort of thing for backups!!

      If files get deleted by accident and you don't notice until after the backup, BOTH copies of the data will be bad. This is just replication, which itself is very good for somethings. Not backups though.

      I use a tool called RIBS. It uses rsync to create incremental backups across the network. You get hourly.0, hourly.1 etc directories, each with a hard-linked snapshot of the backup as it was at that time. These pan off into weekly, then monthly. Personally I dropped the hourly entirely, I just do daily. I do this off an IDE disk onto an IDE disk, no RAID or anything fancy required. Sure, it's a little extra work should one of the drives pack in (no RAID redundancy, maybe one day perhaps), but it's worth it for the cronological snapshots. I even backup files like MS Outlook *.pst on my Windows box, so should it get corrupted, I don't care.

      Oh, did I say I'm backing up 120GB of data onto a P90 with 16meg of ram? Not bad for old junk!

      Only the deltas are transmitted with it being rsync. Highly recommended, knowing you can restore ANY file means I haven't renamed to *.bak in a very long time!

  2. Worst reaction by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Funny

    I support many many users who are by no means savvy. A common reaction is to simply burst into tears. I have yet to find a gentle way to tell them they shoudn't have saved to c: without them losing it totally. It always sounds like Ha Ha!

  3. Personal experience by fembots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I lost one of my email subfolders yesterday. when I realized that, I started sweating, not swearing, but perspiring. Personally I don't have time to react on the machine, my brain will be analysing what I have in the crashed hardware and what do I have to lose, then I react accordingly.

    I wonder if different OS crashes induce different responses?

    1. Re:Personal experience by rovingeyes · · Score: 4, Funny
      I wonder if different OS crashes induce different responses?

      Yes:

      • Linux: Surprised it crashed!
      • Windows: Surprised it didn't crash for so long!
      • Mac: Surprised I even had one!
  4. Deep fryer? by Demon-Xanth · · Score: 4, Funny

    How the hell do you destroy a deep fryer? I worked at a restraunt, of all the stuff in the place the deep fryer was like a burning pit from hell. It was something that CAUSED destruction but never took it!

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    1. Re:Deep fryer? by RandoX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't imagine the health department takes kindly to lithium-ion french fries.

    2. Re:Deep fryer? by SEWilco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obviously he didn't cover the laptop with breading first.

    3. Re:Deep fryer? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Deep fryer health regulations. That's a good one.

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    4. Re:Deep fryer? by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't imagine the health department takes kindly to lithium-ion french fries.

      Just call them Freedom Fries. The complaints will go away.

    5. Re:Deep fryer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Posted anonymously, for obvious reasons. ;)

      I once worked at an unnamed fast food place, and spent a stint manning the fryers. One nightly task was to drain the oil through the external vacuum/filter.

      Well, guess what happens if you forget to turn off the fryer, and still drain the oil out???

      I'll *always* remember the cute little counter girl looking over my shoulder, and saying (just as calmly as can be) "is that vat supposed to be on fire?".

      No, it wasn't -- and the resultant mess _almost_ resulted in the need for a new one. So yes, it's possible.....

    6. Re:Deep fryer? by markwalling · · Score: 5, Funny

      a new frier or a new resturant?

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  5. only when it crashes? by zerkon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hit/swear at/sweet talk my computer all day long...

  6. Hitting the Motherboard by autosentry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In college, I used to keep tally of people who attacked their phones when receiving bad news. It's fascinatingly sad to watch: "The phone gave me bad news! I must destroy the phone!" By the end of the year, I swear I had a total of 35 confirmed phone attacks--but it was probably way above that.

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    1. Re:Hitting the Motherboard by Dread_ed · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have twice attacked a phone in my lifetime.

      Once was when my girlfriend's mother caught us having sex in high school. The phone call that initiated the phone-bashing incident was about 2 hours after that when I got to hear her mother telling her what to say:

      Mom: You can never see him again....

      Ex-Girl: I can never see you again...

      It was like a soap opera with the Jedi mind trick worked into it. Funny and distressing at the same time. The phone met with an unfortunate rapid deceleration incident after contacting a brick wall at a high rate of relative velocity.

      The second phone attack was much more fun. I was sleeping in a twin bed, next to the wall, with my girlfriend on the outside of the bed next to me.

      In the pitch black of night there is a terrible shriek. My mind is clouded, dim, and limbic from sleep; enraged and disoriented by this hideous sound that keeps repeating itself. It screams once, twice, then on the third keening screech I launch myself over my sleeping girlfriend and land on top of the offending THING. I have absolutely no idea what it is that is making the noise, but I am driven insane with anger that it won't stop. The room is pitch black so I have to feel the screaming thing to find a way to make it stop. I grab it wholly in my hands and start to roughly search for a weak point, squeezing it hard all the while in vain hopes that it will choke and stop. Suddenly I feel a small tail-like thing in my hands and realize with grim and ecstatic joy that I have discovered its weak spot. I grab it, and as it yells again I begin to yank furiously on the tail, over and over.

      Unfortunately I have begun to wake up now and by the time I realize just exactly what is going on I am sitting there in the dark, naked, with a phone in one hand and a frayed phone cord in the other, grinning like a madman but with the dawning realization that I have just killed with primal rage...my telephone. My girlfrind turns on the light about this time and looks at me, starteled. Then she fixes me with that LOOK. You might know the one. It is like she is never, ever gonna consider me fully human again, but dosen't want to let me know that she is thinking this in, just in case I decide to fulfil her basest opinions of me.

      It still cracks me up to think of how I slaughtered a telephone in my sleep.

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  7. Dr. Cave Man by }InFuZeD{ · · Score: 4, Funny

    "There was one restaurant manager who was so upset with his laptop that he threw it into deep fryer," Norman said.

    Cave man throw laptop into deep fryer. No need use the.

  8. Yet most people think crashes are normal by Flavio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The pervasive use of Microsoft products makes people believe crashes are an intrinsic characteristic of computers, almost like a necessary evil.
    Reinstalling all your software, being infected with spyware and having your computer crash daily are part of popular culture. They're seen as events that one just has to live with.

  9. Re:Crash Landing by Nifrith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where does the computer's "mind" go when it "crashes"?

    It uses it's last remaining CPU cycles to sing a song.
    "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do..
    "I'm half-crazy, all for the love of you,
    "It won't be a stylish marriage,
    "I can't afford a carriage,
    "But you'll look sweet, upon the seat
    "Of a bicycle built for two."

    Either that, or display the BSOD on Windows.

  10. This should be a poll by menace3society · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you do when or if your computer crashes? 1) Hit the computer 2) Swear 3) Coax computer into giving your data back 4) Sigh and reboot 5) drop into kdb 6) Call Cowboy Neal for Tech support Then the comments section could be flooded by Mac/Linux fanboys who say "What? Crash? What's that? My leet system is t3h sold OMGLOLROFL!1! " On second thought, maybe the poll's not such a good idea.

  11. After carefully examining all of the possible... by Demon-Xanth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was considering what could cause the deep fryer to become destroyed and came up with only one possible conclusion:

    It was "The One Laptop". Only a deep fryer could really destroy the laptop being that it was the evil that the laptop was created from. And when the laptop was cast into the fryer the fryer erupted from the critical mass of evil and proceeded to destroy everything around it.

    (apologies to Tolkien, Oppenheimer, and Jackson)

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  12. Computers shouldn't lose data by TuringTest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's one of the most pervasive design errors in today computers. Really, a good computer design should trear user input as sacred - because everything else can be recomputed, but user data is unique and precious.

    Come on guys. We have transactional databases, we have huge space in hard disks, we have no reason to lose a single keypress from the user. Do we enjoy having jokes on how people react when all their work of five hours is lost forever? Is "press the Save Button often" the best solution we can engineer?

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  13. Re:Truth and Consequences by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny
    Half the beer shipments in Canada were put on hold for a few hours..

    Did he get the death penalty or just life in prison?

  14. Re:Crash Landing by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Informative

    It disappears; the system is completely halted. You only continue to see the screen image because the video hardware continues to read the contents of VRAM and send it out the display port.

    Peripherals that use hardware passthroughs can have amusing responses to a system crash... When an old machine that had a TV card froze up, the video and audio would continue playing (the video was put onscreen as a hardware overlay on a key color, and the audio was handled by the PCI card). The audio would continue to play as the system rebooted, only stopping when the computer got around to loading the TV card's driver which reinitialized the hardware.

  15. Re:After carefully examining all of the possible.. by CFTM · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about us members of /. who are sick of stupid LoTR jokes? Where's our apology? :)

  16. Re:heh... by Binestar · · Score: 4, Funny

    But 7 percent said their first reaction is the hit the computer, Johnson said, a step that's rarely productive.

    That implies that sometimes it *is* productive? If there is any chance whatsoever of me getting my deleted files back (1 in a billion?) I'll hit the computer everytime!

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  17. Re:Poetry by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 4, Informative

    The PC God cannot be appeased by poetry. He requires human sacrifices.

    Or pr0n.

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  18. Laptop destruction - true story... by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once had a customer (back in my small computer business days) who had bought a brand new, top of the line 486 Acer laptop. It came complete with a cool-ass trackball and COLOR screen!

    Anyway, after a few days, the trackball started sticking on the guy and he called us. We cleaned it, but it would still stick - and he was starting to get pissed. We called Acer and got the usual tech runaround where they insisted they would get back to us. The customer finally called them and they told him the same thing - they never did.

    So one fine morning at breakfast, the guy sits down with his laptop and cup of coffee in the kitchen and the trackball sticks on him again. Not just a little glitch either, I mean the pointer simply isn't moving. With one sweep of his hand, the coffee cup goes flying and smashes to small pieces on the floor. His wife looks the mess with disgust and says, "Why don't you take out your aggression on your computer instead?"

    And the guys yells, "Yeah? Well, I think I will!" And slams the laptop to the ground and starts JUMPING UP AND DOWN ON IT!

    Sheepishly, the guy comes back to us with the laptop in many pieces and tells us this story (and we had to try not to laugh about it). We called Acer, and finally got through to the president of the company and explained what happened. Believe it or not, Acer profusely appologised and sent us a brand new model (sans trackball of course)!

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  19. ...well don't just leave us hanging! by mcc · · Score: 5, Funny

    One restaurant manager who was so upset with his laptop that he threw it into deep fryer. That destroyed the laptop ... and deep fryer, too

    Yes, but how did it taste???

  20. Re:heh... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny
    That implies that sometimes it *is* productive?

    Never underestimate the power of percussive maintenance. Eons ago, back when the C64 was bleeding edge tech, I was in a school computer class. Our C64 locked up, taking with it everything we had done in the preceeding period. I head-butted the keyboard. It unfroze and worked fine for the rest of the period. True story. Used my head to solve the problem;-)

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  21. Re:heh... by badasscat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But 7 percent said their first reaction is the hit the computer, Johnson said, a step that's rarely productive.

    That implies that sometimes it *is* productive?


    It actually can be, though more often it isn't.

    Once, I had a problem with a computer that wouldn't boot. I took out all of the major components (PSU, hard drive, etc.) and tried them in other PC's, where they worked fine. I put everything back, computer still wouldn't boot. Turned it back off, and in a fit of inspiration I kicked it. Turned it back on, and it booted.

    The problem was my graphics card was not seated properly. Kicking it seated it just enough for it to boot, and in turn it was pretty obvious to me that it had been a loose connection somewhere. (btw, no, I didn't test either the graphics card or the mobo in another PC, as I didn't think of the graphics card as a possible culprit and the mobo I figured could be eliminated or confirmed as the cause without removing it). When I then went back through the PC and just tightened everything, I felt the card sitting about halfway out of its slot.

    It was one of those "d'oh!" moments, and also one of those rare cases where physical violence against a wayward PC actually gained a positive result.

  22. Re:Crash Landing by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
    What is the CPU actually doing right after the computer is crashed?

    It depends on a lot of things. If the crash is due to a hardware failure, the machine might hang inside a device driver, waiting for an IO acknowledgement that will never come. Sometimes the OS deliberately halts the machine, such as when it receives a double-fault inside kernel space. Back in the DOS days, a bad address (usually a result of a buffer overflow) would shoot the machine into la-la land, executing random garbage until it either reached a HLT instruction or got stuck in a loop.

    Again, in the days of DOS, it was tons of fun when you accidentally used a far NULL pointer, since that meant overwriting the interrupt vector table -- the next time a timer interrupt came in (18.2 times a second, to be precise) the CPU would happily fly off into dreamworld.

    On most MODERN operating systems, however, the system deliberately halts itself as soon as it realizes that something is terribly wrong. The risks of executing random code are simply too great.

  23. Re:Hit F5 by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Funny

    Funny you say that...my ex girlfriend's reaction to any computing problem was to press F5. Her logic was that if it fixed IE, surely it would work for Word and Excel and everything else as well...

    And when I challenged her on this her response was "No, I know more about computers than you do, F5 is the key to refresh the page and I know it is and it always works for me."

    Can you guess why she's an ex? :D

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  24. Obligitory Computer Stupidities link by javaxman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's the hardware abuse link, I don't think it's shown up here yet.

  25. Re:Hit F5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    no anal?

  26. Re:Whack It! by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny
    Besides, don't most people hit the monitor? Like the poor CRT had anything to do with the problem!!? People are a lot less likely to hit a LCD flat panel, though...

    I worked at a law firm once where one of the partners put his fist through the CRT after the computer ate his 150+ page brief;-) The best part of the story (which he tells with a ragamuffin gleam in his eye) is that it also happened to be the the first day in the office for a new legal secretary. She had just walked into his office to be introduced when he sucker punched the monitor. It was months, apparantly, before she would walk past his office again;-)

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  27. Re:Statistically Windows is a health Hazard... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Macs are the wieredest ones for crashing... Mine sits on the desk doing nothing most of the time (it's mostly a build server for the osx versions of my software.. it's got nothing installed but the basic osx + xcode) - I'll come to it after maybe a fortnight and the finder has gone into 100% CPU mode and taken most of the rest of the system with it... luckily the power plug is only a couple of inches away :)

    The Win boxes stay up when not in use. Of course when you start to use them the story changes... it's *so* easy to bring down a windows box (my favourite is crashing the LSA.. it gives a 30 second countdown before falling over). [btw. before anyone asks that's not a virus I write software that integrates at quite a low level and the Win32 API isn't error checked at all at that level - the slightest error brings the whole thing crashing down].

    Linux is *hard* to crash. Not impossible (fork bomb, even with ulimit, can sometimes cause the autokill routines to kill system processes like inetd). A runaway app at 100% CPU though doesn't do it, unlike Win and Mac.

    The prize goes to AS400 which I haven't even been able to make break its stride even after trying hard. I can lock an individual login, but never had any effect on the stability of the system. Pity AS400 is such a damn awful piece of crap to work with most of the time...