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Burn Grass, Get Green Biofuel

Roland Piquepaille writes "Do you want to use an economical and environmentally friendly biofuel? Just grow grass. Burning grass pellets will produce an energy-efficient biofuel, according to Jerry Cherney, a professor of agriculture at Cornell University. In this news release, 'Grass as Fuel,' he says "Burning grass pellets makes sense; after all, it takes 70 days to grow a crop of grass for pellets, but it takes 70 million years to make fossil fuels." Unfortunately, there is nothing like a grass political lobby in Washington, so he might not be heard. But with current oil prices, more and more people will be tempted to use cheaper -- and cleaner -- sources of energy. This overview contains many more details and references about this environmentally friendly biofuel made from grass."

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  1. Roland Piquepaille by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another Roland Piquepaille story
    Here is what he wrote if your interested:

    samedi 2 avril 2005

    Burn Grass, Get Green Biofuel

    Do you want to use an economical and environmentally friendly biofuel? Just grow grass. Burning grass pellets will produce an energy-efficient biofuel, according to Jerry Cherney, a professor of agriculture at Cornell University. In this news release, "Grass as Fuel," he says "Burning grass pellets makes sense; after all, it takes 70 days to grow a crop of grass for pellets, but it takes 70 million years to make fossil fuels." Unfortunately, there is anything like a grass political lobby in Washington, so he might not be heard. But with current oil prices, more and more people will be tempted to use cheaper -- and cleaner -- sources of energy. Read more...

    Here is the introduction of the Cornell University news release.
    Grow grass, not for fun but for fuel. Burning grass for energy has been a well-accepted technology in Europe for decades. But not in the United States.
    Yet burning grass pellets as a biofuel is economical, energy-efficient, environmentally friendly and sustainable, says a Cornell University forage crop expert.
    This alternative fuel easily could be produced and pelleted by farmers and burned in modified stoves built to burn wood pellets or corn, says Jerry Cherney, the E.V. Baker Professor of Agriculture. Burning grass pellets hasn't caught on in the United States, however, Cherney says, primarily because Washington has made no effort to support the technology with subsidies or research dollars.
    Why is it important for environment?
    Burning grass pellets makes sense; after all, it takes 70 days to grow a crop of grass for pellets, but it takes 70 million years to make fossil fuels," says Cherney, who notes that a grass-for-fuel crop could help supplement farmers' incomes.
    Cherney points out that grass biofuel pellets are much better for the environment because they emit up to 90 percent less greenhouse gases than oil, coal and natural gas do. Furthermore, he says, grass is perennial, does not require fertilization and can be grown on marginal farmland.
    Cherney recently presented his conclusions about grass biofuel at the Greenhouse Gases & Carbon Sequestration in Agriculture and Forestry conference, held March 21-24 in Baltimore.
    You can find the abstract of his talk, "Grass Bioenergy in the Northeastern USA," on this page. Just scroll a little bit or search for Cherney on the page.
    If you're interested in this subject, here is a link to the July 2004 issue of the "Dairy & Field Crops digest" (PDF format, 12 pages, 728KB). The article "Grass Management for Forage or Biofuel?" appears on pages 7 and 8.
    In this article, Cherney argues that "grass is converted to useable heat at over 80% efficiency, with an energy output:input ratio exceeding 10:1, compared to other bioenergy sources with typicalsystem energy output:input ratios around 1:1."
    The cost-effectiveness of pelletized grass as a fuel results from:

    * efficient use of low cost marginal farmland for solar energy collection
    * minimal fossil fuel input use in field production and energy conversion
    * minimal biomass quality upgrading which limits energy loss from the feedstock
    * efficient combustion in advanced yet modestly priced and simple to use devices
    * replacement of expensive high-grade energyforms in space and water heating

    Cherney is convincing, but it's hard to help him while living in Paris.

    Sources: Cornell University News Service, March 31, 2005; and various websites

    1. Re:Roland Piquepaille by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And GEE! Look what "editor" posted the story!

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    2. Re:Roland Piquepaille by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why do you feel the need to take his content and re-post it? The information was contained in the article, this seems like a karma-whore tactic.

      Yeah, with all these karma-whoring posts I have made over the years, I have developed some killer karma!

    3. Re:Roland Piquepaille by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      his content ?

      Roland Piquepaille has just cut and pasted the cornell press release and some other one,
      do a google phrase search , all will be revealed
      or just wack in Rolands site in this plagiarism detector and see for yourself how he rips off other peoples content and reposts it for profit without permission
      and then he has the cheek to put (c)Roland at the bottom of his shitty "blog"

    4. Re:Roland Piquepaille by G-funk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, I'm suprised really, seeing how much trolling and FPing you do. Keep up the good work Mr. Coward!

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  2. So.... by Siriaan · · Score: 5, Funny

    "So what does your car run?"

    "Grass."

    "Smokin."

    1. Re:So.... by craXORjack · · Score: 4, Funny
      "So what does your car run?"

      Alfalfa pellets.

      Wow. What kind of car is it?

      VW Rabbit.

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  3. Grass, Grass or Ass by nmilford · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nobody rides for free!

  4. Heheehe by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunately, there is anything like a grass political lobby in Washington, so he might not be heard.

    I beg to differ.

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  5. Obvious marijuana jokes aside... by kwoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing I don't get is how burning grass is not seen as having the same emissions problems as burning other organic material.

    I'm no expert on American environmental regulations, but wouldn't a low-emission or zero-emission fuel source be considered more highly for North American use?

    1. Re:Obvious marijuana jokes aside... by istewart · · Score: 4, Informative

      The way I get it, it's a zero-emissions fuel in that it's a closed carbon cycle. The CO2 from burning the plant or plant derivative will be consumed and used by another plant. This is assuming that no petroleum-based fertilizers, pesticides, etc. are used, which would release additional carbon byproducts that were locked beneath the ground before.

    2. Re:Obvious marijuana jokes aside... by rewinn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Great question. According to the article

      ... grass biofuel pellets are much better for the environment because they emit up to 90 percent less greenhouse gases than oil, coal and natural gas do. ..."

      So while grass may not be perfect, it is 90% better than what we've got, from a carbon-release standpoint.

      Another consideration is that the carbon emitted from burning grass is carbon that the grass took out of our atmosphere while growing, so there would be no net increase in atmospheric carbon from its use. In contrast, carbon released by fossil fuels hasn't been in our atmosphere for millions of years, which is why re-releasing it into our atmosphere is problematic.

    3. Re:Obvious marijuana jokes aside... by gwydion04 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Plants do not get the majority of their carbon from the ground. I quote from Wikipedia:
      "Plants are autotrophs, which means they are able to synthesize food directly from inorganic compounds, instead of eating other organisms or relying on material derived from them. Most notably, they use carbon dioxide gas and water to produce sugars and oxygen gas. The energy for these processes comes from photosynthesis. For instance, the over-all equation for the production of glucose is:

      12H2O + 6CO2 + light --> C6H12O6 (glucose) + 6O2 + 6H2O

      The glucose is variously used to form other organic compounds, such as the building material cellulose, or it may be used as a fuel."
      Cellulose = polysaccharide that makes up the majority of a plant's structure - i.e. what you would burn.

      Plants need only minerals and water from the ground - that's why you can grow them with hydroponics. Crack open that high school bio textbook before posting to avoid such future didatics from your fellow slashdotters. ;-)
    4. Re:Obvious marijuana jokes aside... by gwydion04 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've never heard of a plant absorbing organic material from the ground, unless you consider parasitic species such as heather and mistletoe that get glucose from their host plants (glucose, not simple carbon). I believe that a sessile organism that takes organic material from the ground as its main source of food can be described as a "fungus."

      In fact, this is why carbon 14 dating works - because the organic carbon present in all known lifeforms comes from CO2, which was converted to a fuel source by autotrophic plants. And on that note, I bid you all goodnight :).

  6. grass you say? by Maskirovka · · Score: 3, Funny

    So is this burning of grass somehow different from the smoking of grass?

  7. Conserve fuel for what we NEED it for. by SteelV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess our running out of fuel in the future won't be the end of the world.. there are always sources of energy, perhaps not as easily attainable but nonetheless viable.

    However, what about certain plastics, etc. that we need, that are made from oil? Perhaps we should start moving towards alternative energy now, and save the fuel for what we need it for?

    I am by no means an expert, so please let me know if I'm way off base here.

    1. Re:Conserve fuel for what we NEED it for. by wwahammy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes but that would require foresight beyond the next election cycle from our political leaders, something which is has been lacking even more lately.

    2. Re:Conserve fuel for what we NEED it for. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The strength of this kind of thinking is that it relies on human greed, one of the most reliable forces in the known universe. If the oil runs out then petroleum plastic products will be extremely highly desirable. A lot of the plastic items we have now will be replaced with other materials that are similar in one way or another, including plant-based plastics, Aluminum, carbon fiber, blah blah blah. It will happen because people will find a way to make money doing it because it will be cheaper than, for example, digging up landfills and sorting out all the plastic which in turn will be cheaper than pumping the last few barely-accessible drops of oil out of the ground.

      Of course in the meantime a lot of people will suffer due to the inequalities inherent in such a system. No plan is perfect. A few people will get disgustingly rich, of course. Also, the planet is being shit upon. It turns out that basicallly all of the alternatives to pumping oil out of the ground and burning it, which as we all know is not particularly good for the environment as it relates to humans, are more environmentally friendly than burning dinosaurs (or turning them into soda bottles.) Of course a lot of them aren't nearly as convenient, but I don't think there's too many things that we make with oil that we can't duplicate fairly well in some other way. To preserve our ability to perform those sorts of things, we should really think about moving to some other source of energy sooner rather than later.

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  8. Duuuude... by nxtr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'd know this if you weren't smoking it.

  9. That's pretty NORML by billstewart · · Score: 4, Funny

    I joined NORML for a while a decade or two ago, but whichever years it was, they tended to be a bit too stoned to actually keep track of a mailing list :-)

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  10. Another reason it won't happen. by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Unfortunately grass has no political lobby, which makes the start up of any new alternative energy industry problematic," says Cherney

    A huge market barrier is that consumers won't take the chance because they're not confident they will find gas stations that supply this stuff (not to mention all the other alternatives that have been around for a while). And what's in it for the gas stations to get started in investing in whatever equipment is necessary to store and pump this stuff?

    Sorry to be Johnny Raincloud, but big changes, even if for the better with no apparent logical downside, tend not to happen. Regarding high gas prices, enough people are satisfied simply with bitching about the prices and won't bother making any dramatic changes. They're enough of them for the market to get away with blocking out newcomers like grass.

    1. Re:Another reason it won't happen. by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The real problem with this and other biofuels is that it is not sustainable. to grow enough to be commercially viable will require huge amounts of fertilizer. most fertilizer for large scale farming is based on ammonium nitrate. almost all ammonium nitrate is produced directly from natural gas. so it would really just be converting petroleum to biofuel, which doesn't make sense, as the petroleum is a perfectly good fuel as it is. if the worry is running out of petroleum, the current common sense best solution is nuclear power, but common sense rarely prevails when discussing nuclear energy. replacing petroleum with renewable energy sources is a pipe dream. i think once the situation gets critical, people will be a lot more open to the nuclear option, but things will probably have to get awful bad first.

  11. Sounds expensive... by nxtr · · Score: 5, Funny

    At 20 bucks per gram for fuel, I'd be better off taking the bus.

    1. Re:Sounds expensive... by mikeb39 · · Score: 3, Informative

      America, most likely. Marijuana can cost up to $40USD/gram in certain cities, and the quality is often less then decent.

      In my home and native land however, the price for a Canadian citizen (American tourists sadly often get absolutly raped on prices when they come to visit) is just about $6-7USD/gram across the whole country. Prices drop exponentially for larger amounts, such as 1/4 of an ounce (7.5 grams if I remember right) will go for about $40-50(max)USD to a local. Quality in the main provinces is almost always excellent, and it's not terrible in our middle farmey ones either.

      The more you know... the higher you'll go? ;)

  12. 70 days to grow a crop of grass? by TykeClone · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Don't alf alfa fields get 2 or 3 cuttings minimum per season?

    Also, would you be able to use "field trash" from corn and soybean fields to manufacture the pellets, or does it require green plant matter?

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    1. Re:70 days to grow a crop of grass? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Don't alfalfa fields get 2 or 3 cuttings minimum
      > per season?

      Depends on the climate, among other things. Here in Wisconsin I get three cuttings a year of my mixed alfalfa/brome, but I am trying for an optimum combination of nutrition for horses, tonnage, and stand life. Many of my neighbor dairy farmers cut their pure alfalfa every 28 days. This gives them higher protein at the price of slightly lower tonnage and shorter stand life. If I was growing hay for fuel I would be trying to maximize dry weight without concern for nutritional value and would choose what to plant and how to harvest it on that basis.

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  13. What about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about all the land it takes to grow the grass? What about all the fresh water it takes to grow the grass? What about all the energy and logistics it takes to put the water on the grass? What about the energy it takes to harvest the grass and turn it into a form that's useful? How much grass would one have to grow to actually put a minor dent in the fossil fuel consumption of the world? After the dust settles, what would it cost relative to gasoline or oil?

    Why does it seem like they always fail to mention this stuff?

    1. Re:What about? by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Compared to solar energy, it's somewhat favorable also

      Strictly speaking, this grass is solar energy. It's just that plants seem to be more efficient at converting solar energy than anything we've devised thus far.

  14. Ford Taurus by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, for one, look forward to the new Ford Taurus, which travels down the interstate grazing the median line. At least with this new model, the bovine name DOES make sense!

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  15. We need... by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 4, Funny

    a grass roots campaign to get this one going.

  16. A reasonable idea for rural areas. by Camaro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've read quite a few articles about this sort of alternative fuel in the farm publications I recieve, and I think it would be more difficult to get alternative heating going in urban areas due to the size of heating units (the ones I've seen pictures of are the size of a small shed or larger) and the infrastructure needed to deliver grass/wood/grain as a fuel source. But for those in rural areas where one often needs to get fuel hauled in anyway, why not? I have to get oil delivered to my farm for home heating anyway, so it's not a stretch to consider setting up a heater than can burn straw bales, or grain that these days seems almost worthless anyway.

  17. Recently-Stored Carbon vs. Dinosaur Juice by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are two different major issues with emissions - carbon dioxide and Nasty Stuff (particulates, nitrogen and sulfur oxides, etc.). The emissions problems with Nasty Stuff are pretty similar, and some materials are cleaner or dirty than others, and may be easier or harder to clean up. It's generally easier to clean up power plant emissions than car/truck emissions, because you have more technical choices, aren't limited by weight, can use water, etc. (Hmmm... cleaning grass smoke by bubbling through water... might be some future to that one...)

    Carbon Dioxide emissions are really different, because the problem is greenhouse heating caused by increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Burning oil and coal takes carbon that's been in the ground for a long time and pumps it into the atmosphere, which is a problem. But growing grass or trees for fuel takes carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, using solar energy and chlorophyll to split it up into various plant compounds, so any carbon dioxide emissions you get from burning the grass are just moving around carbon dioxide you took out of the atmosphere last growing season, so it's no problem.

    ObDoperReference: Hemp is a really good grass for applications like this. It grows fast, doesn't need pesticides, you can do useful things with the seeds, the fiber can be used for cloth if you don't feel like burning it, and as a bonus you get a bunch of flowers that you can divert to other applications.

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    1. Re:Recently-Stored Carbon vs. Dinosaur Juice by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The oil of the plant is particularly useful... you can make plastic out of it, or diesel fuel.

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  18. Already been done by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My great grandfather had a mode of transportation that ran on grass.

  19. Another use for Grass... by bosef1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had been thinking about how much it sucks to go the landfill with my garbage, and how much it sucks to mow my lawn. I recycle a lot of stuff, but I still produce a lot of non-recyclable food and paper waste. I would compost, but I don't have anything I could do with the compost.

    Cellulose, one of the primary components of grass and other plants, is a polymer of glucose, and can be converted back into glucose by the action of several natural enzymes (like the ones found in the bacteria in the guts of termites) and by concentrated sulfuric acid. Glucose, under the action of additonal enzymes, like those found in yeast, can be turned into ethanol. I did some research, and it turns out a company called Arkenol Fuels already has a factory that implements this process with sulfuric acid.

    My thought was that it would be excellent to develope smaller, at-home version of this process. If it also used sulfuric acid (as opposed to the termite enzymes), you could probably put just about any cellulose-containing or food waste into the process, and get out fuel for an automobile.

    1. Re:Another use for Grass... by whimsy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Enzymes are problematic because they're picky; the reason your body keeps its temperature so closely regulated (and a 5-10F/3-6C rise or fall in body temperature is so hugely significant) is because most enzymes care. A lot. Some, obviously, don't care so much if you bang on em a bit - plants', reptiles', and probably your termites. They still require reasonably controlled conditions pH-wise, because if that changes too much, your enzyme will fold up and crumple into something else entirely, and it won't work anymore. I am not personally that familiar with amylases, but just about any chemical reaction works much better in a solution, or in the gas-phase. Chewing away at a clump of fiber is tough.

      As for sulfuric acid, well, that's pretty rough too. First of all, it's nasty stuff, and I don't think just anyone should be handling it on a daily basis. I know when I use it, I never slip on that gloves-and-goggles rule. Second, it's got some healthy energy requirements to manufacture - the process involves pressures of 2atm and temperatures of about 400C. Not to say it's impossible though, it's just got its own problems.

      Ok, say you have your sugar monomer or dimer (sucrose, fructose, or glucose). We need to make it into alcohol. The easiest, and cheapest way, is yeast. You can probably get up to 15% with fancy osmotolerant yeasts. You probably won't do too much better with enzymes. Ain't gonna burn. So we're looking at distillation, which has its own substantial energy requirements. Not to say we can't do it, but it's trickier than just turning our garbage into ethanol- doing it with corn and sugarcane is hard enough.

  20. So... where's the money? by RaveX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A pretty good post over at Peak Oil Optimist makes the obvious point about this nonsense: if it were really an economically feasible alternative source of energy, it wouldn't require subsidies. Saying that it beats other biomass crops in terms of energy input to output ratio isn't saying much-- ethanol production, for example, is typically a net energy loser (but it exists due to heavy subsidies). Maybe we need to stop spending so much money on farm subsidies, and focus on more realistic avenues for alternative energy?

  21. Re:"closed carbon cycle" != zero emissions by vrmlguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, burning fossil fuels releases CO2 from carbon that's been sequestered for 70 million years or so, while burning renewable or sustainable plant matter simply recycles carbon that was sequestered within the past few months. In other words, burning fossil fuels increases the net CO2 in the atmosphere, which burning plant matter doesn't.

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  22. Re:"closed carbon cycle" != zero emissions by damiam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the point is that the act of producing plant-based fuels removes CO2 from the atmosphere.

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  23. Grass is VERY thirsty. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Grass uses a LOT of water. (Not surprising, since it's got a lot of surface area.) Acre for acre it takes more water than trees or pretty much any food crop. It evaporates something like six times as much water as a lake.

    So you're not going to want to convert land to growing grass if it doesn't have a lot of water available allready. So much for the southwest - and a lot of areas where you have the other main ingredient: sunlight.

    But if you're already growing and mowing it, what a deal.

    I'd love to get a lawnmower that delivered fuel pellets rather than mulch that needs to be hauled away or worked back into the ground. Given the price of natural and the small amount of heating I need to do in the climate where I live, a pellet stove burning lawn trimmings would be a godsend.

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  24. Re:"closed carbon cycle" != zero emissions by SQL+Error · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nuclear power produces highly toxic waste and byproducts.

    Duh. These are produced in relatively small quantities, unlike coal-burning power stations.

    Wind power, meanwhile, is localised and unreliable. You can't use it as your main energy source because you can't predict how much you'll get.

    As for the atmosphere, wind power is neutral, at best. The energy extracted from the wind is promptly returned to the atmosphere as heat. Really, it's just indirect solar energy (like hydro).

    If you want to actually cool the Earth down, your best bet is to dump megatons of dust in the upper atmosphere (cf. Krakatoa).

  25. Re:Less 'greenhouse gasses?' Pfft... by Tekgno · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it is more of a matter of how burning grass or any bio-fuel for that matter fits in with the carbon cycle. Burning of oil, coal and natural gas releases carbon that has been locked up underground for millions of years as opposed to grass which collects it from the air and thus isn't adding any more to current amounts.

  26. Re:"closed carbon cycle" != zero emissions by serutan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly the point -- Burning a large volume of something that didn't grow recently adds to atmospheric CO2, but if you grow all your fuel you are just cycling through the same carbon over and over.

    As an aside, the idea that oil comes from 70 million year old organic matter is pretty much dead. Oil and natural gas have been found far below the organic layer, indicating a different origin, some process that happens deeper within the planet. The process is not known, but there is no reason to think it isn't still happening. As long as we keep developing deeper drilling techniques we may never run out of oil.

    The best reason to search for an alternative to oil is the problems created by overloading the atmosphere with CO2. Switching to something totally replaceable can't be a bad thing. The article mentions that grass pellets produce 96% as much BTUs as wood pellets and can be grown on marginal farmland. Sounds like a great avenue to research.

  27. Diesels... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative
    ... can run on damn near any oil, as long as it's runny enough to go through the injectors. Some types of oil may attack the rubber seals in the injector pump though - be careful.


    I have successfully run a 1988 Citroen CX 25DTR on normal diesel fuel, heating oil, jet fuel, waste veg oil, waste hydraulic oil, and odd mixtures of these things. With the waste veg oil there was no smoke at all from the exhaust even under very heavy load at full power - and only a slight smell from the exhaust. It does *not* smell like greasy chips!

  28. Re:"closed carbon cycle" != zero emissions by PeterM · · Score: 4, Informative
    To be more accurate, the idea that oil comes from 70 million year old organic matter is pretty much dead is completely false and discredited. Oil is sourced from Kerogen, an organic rich matter enbedded in source rock that undergoes a set of slow reactions in response to increasing temperature and pressure resulting from burial. This can ben conclusively proven by:
    1. The existance of "biomarkers", organic molecules found within oil with clear biological precursors (e.g., pristane and phytane are derived from chlorophyll)
    2. The fact that you can put kerogen in a tube in a lab, heat it, squeeze it, and get oil out
    3. The utter, utter failure and wasted $$$ of fools who drill in non-organic rich areas

    Sorry for the rant, but some statements are just stupid. More information can be found at Woods Hole Organic Geochemistry group ( http://dynatog.whoi.edu/ ), at the Newcastle U site ( http://nrg.ncl.ac.uk ) or on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_geochemistry )