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BeOS Ready for a Comeback as Zeta OS
Anil Kandangath writes "BeOS, the operating system that could have been the foundation for Mac OS X, but almost died, instead has returned as Zeta OS -- which is supposed to be fast, stable, media centric and boot within 15 seconds. Zeta is being released by yellowTAB of Germany and has applications such as an office suite and the Firefox browser bundled with it. Most BeOS applications will also run as-is. Screenshots are available." According to the NewsForge story linked there, the release could be as soon as next month.
Windows boots in 15 seconds, too, on a supercomputer.
Which would have been technically better as Apple's new OS - the nextstep based OSX, or a BeOS based OS?
Shouldn't that be ZomBe OS?
Starsucks
I had a friend about a month ago who told me he was learning C.
Why was he learning C? Because BeOS was coming back, and they were gonna need people to port applications. And porting was easier if you knew C. And BeOS was gonna be the next big thing so they needed to have lots of apps ported to it.
...and that's all there is to it.
You can get BeOS 5 Max free. It's moderately recent, and it's a nice way to take a look at what BeOS is all about if you aren't in the loop. It even boots as a Live CD if you're so inclined, although you can't do much besides click on stuff if you boot it that way.
Bears don't normally eat things that talk and move backwards.
One of the most appealing facets of BeOS, IIRC, is the fact that it was FREE. At ~$100+tax, I don't see this flying off store shelves. Furthermore, I didn't read anything about it supporting RISC architecture (did I miss it)?
Going back to school for entry-level jobs?
I looked over their site and couldn't find hardware requirements documented.
One thing I love about open source operating systems is that the system requirements are right there, up front -- or at least you don't have to look hard to find them.
It claims to boot in 15 seconds, which I don't doubt. It would be great to use on a laptop for that very reason. However, will my poor little laptop be able to handle it? I'd love to know before I get my hopes up.
unixkb.com -- articles on practical Unix issues.
Seems like the Unix base for OS X worked out pretty damn well for them... I don't think the boom Apple is going through right now could have been any more significant with a BeOS-based OS.
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
BeOS was considered very strongly as a foundation for what would become OS X instead of NeXT - see the What is OS X? guide.
To BeOS, or not to BeOS: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
"The newly born animals are then whisked off for a quick run through a giant baking oven." --heard on Food Network
This looks like a copy of OS X that's been brainwashed by pre-XP Windows. Or maybe just fell into a bad crowd.
Zeta OS? Now what are they going to call the next version? It's like Apple calling their OS, OS Infinity.
Apparently you were never in grade school. The next version would be "Infinity plus one and no returns."
Plus, after Zeta, there are still eta, theta, iota, kappa, lambda, mu, nu, xi, omicron, pi, rho, sigma, tau, upsilon, phi, chi, psi, and omega.
Hmm, they seem to be using a fair bit of GNU in there. Better make it GNU/Zeta.
Or, if it's meant for novices, GNU/Be.
Cogito, ergo sig.
Simple logic here folks, if I can get to work driving my car, why should I ride the bus which is more environmental friendly when it only goes half way to my destination?
You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
The world seems pretty happy with iTunes, the colored iMac, the iPod, and the iPod mini.
How would the world be better off if Apple chose BeOS over Jobs? It's not immediately obvious to me.
GPL Deconstructed
When Apple's Copland plans failed, they looked for outside help. Jean-Louis Gassée's Be Inc. was one of those possible sources. Steve Jobs was the one they eventually chose.
BeOS would have been more lightweight and probably more efficient, but OS X is maturing into something quite useable. The UNIX roots of OS X have helped lure new developers and new types of users to the platform. Having more developers is never a bad thing.
BeOS would also have been a cleaner start. It's difficult to say how much (or if) UNIX is holding back MacOS X. I find OS X somewhat bloated, especially in terms of the number of files that it is comprised of. I wish it took less time to make a backup.
BeOS is/was also advanced in terms of file meta data. That situation is still quite messy in MacOS X.
What can I do with it that I can't do with a free Linux distro, or the Windows that I already have? Tell me why I should drop $100 on this.
It took me a second to get the subtle GNU/Ance of this post.
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I'm bored, waiting for the DST to kick in.. ;-)
yellowTab has a story under which they have gained access to BeOS code (legally) prior to the Palm deal. Zeta = BeOS + yellowTab code + some Haiku code
>> That's pretty good. Does anyone else know of a fast booting OS? I personally hate waiting for my PC to boot up.
Most of the time my "boot up" is waiting 3 seconds for the monitor to warm up. I don't shut of the PC, just the monitor.
If you want a fast boot time, run linux and leave it running...
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It was back in 2002 at the CeBIT show in Germany that the people from YellowTAB gave me a "late beta" of Zeta for reviewing purposes. "Only a few problems left to fix", they said.
Turned out the entire GUI crashed all the time and tons of drivers where missing. Then came a big upgrade, then another beta and then... nothing.
Now it's 2005, and it's now "ready for a release next month". I suggest they bury it instead. For good, or turn the whole thing over to the OpenBeOS people.
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And you would know this offhand how?
I'm in a subculture that has some membership overlap with zoophiles.
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
Yup.
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
Hardware is fungible.
... eh. It's got all kinds of nifty ideas, but it seems like it's also got a bad case of second system syndrome. When I was playing around with the first PC-compatible versions... they actually managed to require more and faster hardware than Windows to get comparable performance. Now that might have been pretty marginal hardware by today's standards, but still... given that it was built from a fresh start they should have done better.
It doesn't matter what the processor is, it just matters what the software running on it is.
BeOS
I'm more interested in the reborn Amiga OS.
YellowTab calls their OS "Zeta" because Zeta is the sixth letter in the greek alphabet. Be was up to R5 and Zeta intends their OS to be the R6 Be never made.
So Eta would be my best guess.
Have they made any major improvements since Be went under, or have they just slapped some make up on the last version and are trying to sell that?
My laptop's Linux takes about 30 seconds to boot up, counting from the bootloader, when resuming from a suspend. This could be tuned a LOT, though -- if I forced it to clean out more memory and write fewer caches, and repeated this on my desktop (which takes 30 seconds for a normal boot, so it'd be much faster from suspend), I might get 15 seconds.
Maybe that's cheating. My desktop linux takes about a minute, including time spent launching an X and a couple of needed programs.
But seriously, people, this is really just problem of bootscripts and choice of desktop. That means that I can make my OS boot in 30 seconds merely by switching to a lightweight window manager, doing a little bash programming, and cleaning out the init scripts I don't need.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
yellowTAB has just announced details of what is to be expected for Zeta 1.0. The list includes ... breaking the 1GB memory barrier"
No sig for you!!
I am a little weary about the legality of it as they have not publicly stated anything (this could be due to a variety of things including agreements with the company that owns the code, Palm Inc).
But YellowTab does have the source. They have fixed problems with the kernel which as far as I know could not be fixed by spending some time with a hex editor. There are some disagreements as to how they obtained it, but it is accepted now that they have it (and all of it, I'd imagine).
No, the one-share thing is much older than that. Steve Jobs sold all except for one of his shares of Apple after he left the company in the 1980's, having been, along with Steve Wozniak, one of the two co-founders of the company.
In Germay ZetaOS is sold on HomeShopping for over 1 year now.
:
I don't know what a Home-Shopping Buyer does with Zeta, but they sell it as
"Has everything you need, you don't ever need to buy any other Software"
Sure, pay $100 for an OS that does not run the latest Windows applications, hardly has any applications it runs natively, has limited driver support, and it is an effort to revive an OS that already killed at least one other company. How can you go wrong?
On the plus side, it should have no malware available for it.
I think Mac support for BeOS was killed when Apple refused to release info on the G3 Macs to Be, Inc. Therefore Be targeted the X86 market, hoping to save the company that way, because that is what NeXT did. Only NeXT tanked and got saved by Apple, yet Be, Inc. tanked and nobody saved it, and Palm bought out the corpse and buried it, until this Zeta Zombie rose from the dead.
I think I'll take my chances with Linux, KNOPPIX/KANOITX seems to be stable enough, boots from a live CD, and has an option to be installed on a hard drive.
I mean unless most of the major OSS projects are being converted to ZetaOS/BeOS, I think you can forget convicing enough people to buy a copy to make it worth their while.
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If Apple had chosen BeOS it would be a copany with a great product but no vision or direction. Just like the 10 years before and every other product that didn't survive. Mr. Jobs at least gave the company a direction and purpose. Whether or not you agree with their direction or not is another matter though.
I do work for a small German company called "zeta software".
Currently, yellowTab is selling the ZetaOS through multiple German home-order-TV shows to computer-illiterate persons. Of course most of them fail to successfully install ZetaOS on their supermarket-bought PCs.
A daily average of two or there of them call us (not yellowTab!) and ask what they can do, now that they crashed both their Windows installation and their ZetaOS.
Even the hints beside every phone number on our website that we have absolutely nothing to do with that ZetaOS did not help much.
yellowTab seems to be aware of the problem that many many customers seems to be very discontented with ZetaOS and additionally call all companies that seem to have the Word "zeta" in their name (which are quite a few), because yellowTab hired a marketing agency (or how you call that in English) that called us some time ago on the phone.
This agency seemed to have the task to call all those zeta-named companies and apologize for the "idiots" (= ZetaOS customers) calling them. The agency further asked us what the average questions of the ZetaOS customers was. You could call that "Indirect surveying" ;-).
I really whish myself and all zeta-named companies that yellowTab runs out of venture-capital really soon and that they disappear and never ever return again *sigh*.
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"The next significant step in computing will be an OS that becomes much more proactive; it watches and learns what you like to do, and over time it will perform tasks on your behalf without being instructed to.." i sincerely hope this never happens. i can't think of anything more fucking annoying then a pc that does what it wants, not what it's told. it's bad enough as it is right now with windows. of course, your just spouting bullshit like some unsanitary fountain, so typical.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
I'm sure someone out there can do a better job of explaining this, but I'll take a shot:
Metadata is data about data. File metadata is information describing a file or its contents.
On many operating systems, file metadata comes primarily in the form of filename extensions. A file with the name "house.jpg" can reasonably be assumed to be a JPEG image file.
Unfortunately, filename extensions are pretty limited as a means of storing file metadata. There's a lot of other metadata one might want to store and retrieve for a give file.
Classic Mac OS went a small step further, storing 2 pieces of file metadata: file type and file creator. This information was stored separately from the filename, allowing Mac users to name there files whatever they wanted, without having to include a filename extension. It also allowed them to have some JPEGs open in Photoshop when double-clicked, and others to open in a web browser, by means of the files' creator metadata.
Not too much later, the World Wide Web appeared, and with it the use of filename extensions as required metadata for any files to be transferred via the Internet. So Mac users learned to live with filename extensions. Most of them were already doing so.
One development that accompanied the rise of the Internet was the development of mime types, another means of storing file metadata. BeOS used mime types extensively for storing file metadata, in conjunction with a database-driven filesystem. From what I saw, the combination was pretty effective and powerful.
File metadata on Mac OS X is a mess because Apple has officially abandoned the traditional Mac type/creator metadata system. This is one area where Apple could have taken a leadership position as they transitioned their core userbase and developers to their new OS, as they did in other areas like Core Audio, but instead of replacing the type/creator paradigm with some newer, better metadata system along the lines of that which already existed in BeOS, they simply chose to fall back to the less powerful but more internet-compatible filename extension paradigm. Yet they did not completely abandon the traditional system, as it would have made porting classic Mac apps to O S X more difficult. So some Mac OS X apps use type/creator metadata, some only use filename extensions, and some use both. Without a clear leadership direction from Apple, things are kind of a mess. Not that most users would notice.
There is some hope. Last I checked, Dominic Giampaolo was still working at Apple. He was the main brain behind the BeOS filesystem and went to work for Apple a few years back. He's responsible for the journaling support that was recently added to Mac OS X. Many folks (myself among them) are hoping that Dominic will bring the BeOS metadata system (or something like it) to Mac OS X. I believe Tiger and Spotlight will bring some improvements in this area.
It's actually worse than that... trying to find a machine that has a supported video chipset AND supported audio AND supported networking AND support motherboard chipset all at the same time is a great way to spend a couple of weeks if you have nothing better to do. BeOS is a great OS, but not really worth the effort to get running on a new machine. In any case, I think OS/X has reached coolness-parity with BeOS now, so for those who want a cool OS and can afford it, I'd say just buy a Mac
-Jeremy (posting with NetPositive running on BeOS on a dual P3/650, btw)
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
"PC's will take no longer then 10 seconds to boot into Windows XP on a clean install"
You're exagerating, I think that XP take at least 20s on a computer 10* more performant.
With BeOS, the computer was totally functionnal as soon as it gave you the hand.
XP cheats by displaying the desktop but not giving you the hand, so that its boot time appear lower than it really is.
Also on BeOS, the system felt very responsive, more than XP running on a much more powerful hw, granted the applications which have gained weight with eye-candy improvement doesn't help.
The bad part of BeOS is that there were very few applications, of course.
I know Germany is not a common law country, so I am not sure if the following applies there, but in common law countries (mostly the anglo-saxon world) you could get an injunction against Yellow Tab forcing them to change the name due to the fact that there are two kinds of trademarks: common law trademarks and registered trademarks.
A registered trademark is quite obviously something you have to register with the trademark registry.
A common law trademark is established through using a mark persistently. You don't have to register it.
Needless to say, registered trademarks are easier to enforce, but common law trademarks are just as valid.
Another important fact about trademarks is that there are 40+ different categories. Two companies can hold the same trademark for their products in the same country as long as they are in different categories. Since you are a software company and Yellow Tab's ZetaOS is a software product, there can be no doubt that both companies' products fall into the same category, the one for computer software.
Now, assuming that German trademark law does acknowlegde common law trademarks, then you have established such a common law trademark by trading as Zeta Software. If you can show that you have been trading for longer than Yellow Tab has been marketing ZetaOS, then you stand a very good chance that you can get an injunction to force them to change the name. The fact that you have those errant calls will actually help you to go after them.
Even if German trademark law doesn't help you, I am sure that German company law will have various clauses that protect a registered company's name from other companies in the same sector using the name.
Don't have pity for them. They should have done their homework before launching their OS. They should have never picked that name in the first place. A simple check with the company registry would have revealed that you guys exist.
On the other hand, if your company has been founded after Yellow Tab have started to market their OS under the Zeta name, then the blame would go to you guys.
In any event, you should get some legal advice from a lawyer dealing in such matters and see what your options are.
Good luck.
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BeOS had a fully functioning bash command line. From the perspective of the user, the CLI *was* UNIX. From the perspective of the developer, it was kinda UNIX (basic POSIX, but nothing advanced like AIO, and some missing features like sockets as file descriptors).
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
First check BeOS!
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010521150816/www.bene ws.com/beos/
to learn the root of the OS.
BeOS was originally developed for BeBOX(custom ppc based smp box) and later started supporting 60x lines of PPC based Apple's Macintosh computers and power computing(Taiwan's mac licensed manufactural).
With version 3.0 x86 versions started shipping.
There were 3.0, 4.0, 4.5 then 5.0 Personal Edition and 5.0 Professional Edition.
I personally believe that BeOS doomed itself with expensive public relations fund spend heavily on BeOS Preview release 2(Remember those BeOS preview release shipped with Mac related magazines for free?) and decision to start selling x86 version. They started offering free version for 5.0 called 5.0 Personal edition, which were bit late(developers have migrated to linux world then...). So company were bought out by Palm.
However, right before they were bought out by Palm, there were two main project which disappeared all together.
BeIA with SONY eVilla project and Dano(BeOS 5.5 release). BeIA pretty much slipped away when Be had office equipment auction when they closed down the building along with some handheld devices(tablet computers loaded with BeIA).
I've heard rumors that after Sony seeing the utter failure of QNX based iOpner(which was immediately followed by another QNX based 3com'saudrey), axed eVilla and destroyed all produced units, so only surviving units are the ones that were auctioned off with BE office closing in CA(developer's machine?).
After BE was sold to Palm...however, BE source along with Dano was leaked over Beshare(beos centric p2p software).
So Dano(considered as unofficial release ver 5.1d0)
OpenBeOS movement started around this time.
Now OpenBeOS has changed its name to Haiku-OS.
http://www.haiku-os.org/.
And soon people started BeOS Developer's Edition
at http://www.beosonline.com/.
And other people started BeOS http://freshmeat.net/projects/beos-max/
http://www.beos-max.org/.
Both BeOS Developer's Edition and BeOS Max revolves around Be's latest official release BeOS Personal Edition 5.0 + 5.0.3 upates and many new improvement which were contributed by a user community developed opensource softwares & drivers.
However, there versions which includes some unofficial released stuffs(stuffs from Dano and some controversial stuffs)
http://phosphuros.tk/
You can read the article by OSnews here.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6948
Here are some screen shots provided by Korean BeOS UserGroup.
http://www.bekrage.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_ albumName=screen
BeOS is nice because Localization stuffs were incorporated into GUI nicer than most other OS, making easier to support different language than English, especially where language isn't based on phonetic latin based alphabet languages such as Korean/Chinese/Japanese. Thier alphabet is 8bit(or even 16bit) character based.
Currently, Haiku-OS programmers are plugging away diligently where OS is almost ready, where most of the bread and butter applications were already worked out! This is a nicer situation where applications are already there when OS still hasn't shipped, due to special current circumstances of BeOS.
ZetaOS is heavily based on BeOS R5.0.3 + Bone network(Dano style) + lots of improvement borrowed from drivers found on BeBits(opensource community of BeOS) + Haiku-OS(OpenBeOS).
ZetaOS, there are RC1, RC2, RC3, Zeta Neo(considered as RC4) a
I have no idea what bug you have up your butt, but here's a few points.
Yes, BeOS is a dead operating system. There are no marketing claims for BeOS after about 2000. If you're going to be evaluating the original claims for BeOS made during its brief moment in the sun, 1998-1999, compare those claims with what was around then, not what's around now.
Steinberg ported Nuendo to BeOS. You'll notice that it could process 96 media tracks simultaneously. Why is this significant? Because on the same hardware the NT version could only do 48 tracks.
As a matter of fact, yes, BeOS did have a better media core than anything else did, in one specific area: latency. There was literally nothing else beyond true RTOSes that could touch it. If you go to a stage show in Vegas, Disney or even some Broadway theatres, there's a non-zero chance that the sound and lighting system is still being run by a BeOS-based system from LCS. In 2005, other operating systems have caught up in some respects, but the main thing that "beats" BeOS in media processing is simply Moore's Law: machines are so much faster now than they were six years ago that it doesn't matter that their signal processing still blows moose chunks.
There are other things that BeOS had that no other operating system had, most notably the file system and live queries that could operate on metadata. Make a virtual folder that contains all the word processing documents you've edited in the last week? No problem. BeOS was by far the most responsive operating system I've ever used. And you know what? It got more commercial applications announced for it in its first two years of public release than Linux did in its first five or six. (Some of those commercial applications are in fact still around, now on other platforms.)
Yes, BeOS had its share of problems, some of them did involve driver support, and there's been very little development on drivers since 2000. But it wasn't difficult to find supported hardware back then--I ran it on a pretty much stock Gateway PC--and I can assure you that BeOS does not suck. If Be had made some wiser business decisions (like not going after the non-existent internet appliance market, and knifing their desktop developers in order to do it), it'd probably still be around.
I'm not particularly interested in ZetaOS because, in the context of 2005, it's not a very compelling operating system. But you obviously don't have a clue why so much of the computing world was excited about it in 1999.
The best example of this in Be was the Address book application. The only element in the file was the contact name... everything else was metadata... fields for address, email, phone, etc were directly searchable from the query in the filesystem. It's totally different than how everybody else uses "bundle files" [ala thumbs or .dat] or "quick readers" [ala MS office] Be was the perfect OS for the internet world... all the W3C "buzzwords" like XML and such would have thrived on a BeOS system. Be was just so far ahead nobody knew what to do with it.
BeOS suffered because it was far to radical for time... It had a nearly AS400-like "flat" system to it so you didn't [actually it even hindered] need development of 50 different helper apps... as soon as one "replicator" was created it could be used by any other program in the system. That turned off a lot of commercial people because you didn't sell an "application" you sold a set of "tools" for the OS to use. [imagine buying corel and adobe and working with both sets of tools on the same document at once! BeOS could have done that] It's a great base for OSS because the inter-module communication is well documented [and encouraged!]...you can replace parts at will as long as you follow the interface rules. That's how the Zeta and Hiakau groups have kept it going... slowly reworking each module to update the system.
Hmm, just a minor correction:
1) There was printing capabilities, but only something like three printers were supported at the time.
2) BeOS had just moved from the old file format (IIRC AOUT) to ELF.
3) The issue of purchasing NeXT had as much to do with technology acquisition as it did with purchasing management know how (aka, Steve Jobs). Had Apple bough Be, what would be the likely hood of failure with JLG in charge? highly likely.
Apple needed someone with marketing know how and able to provide a the company with a world class reality distortion field (other companies have them, but Apples seems to have the best one). Steve put marketing into overdrive, killed off products that were uncompetitive, outside the scope of Apples core business (Apples old internet service business) and R&D that basically was going no where - that is, if R&D were to be spent, it was to be on REAL projects that could deliver *REAL* results for the company - not pie in the sky ideas.
That coupled with his show manship bought the company back from the brink - for all of Be's good points - JLB had as much charisma as a roll of wall paper.
Why can't they go after a market where it is needed? For instance, there are more and more ATMs popping up running windows and misbehaving in ways that you didn't think was possible for such a critical system.
Obviously BeOS, or whatever the marketroids call it this week, is stable, lean, fast, and seems to support media processing well. Why not go for the upscale embedded market? Why not go for set-top boxes, portable media players etc?
No business is going to jump ship and switch from Windows, OSX, Linux or whatever they run, to BeOS as their primary desktop OS. Come on.
Heh, that's the equivalent of weaking a "kick me" piece of paper on your back in high school when it comes to the /. effect.
1 Earth is warming, 2 It's us, 3 it's royally bad, 4 we need to take action NOW
no, i do understand.
the problem of storing metadata that way is that its non portable. it's exactly the same problem that plagued macos classic. great when you only deal with macs but bad when the internet comes around and suddenly you have no simple way to transport files around.
also bad when you need to talk eg nfs or smb.
storing metadata in bundles and the whole bundle system allows macos to be transparenly "native" on just about any filesystem.
linux and nt have the ability to attach metadata to files, but nobody uses it. it would be a huge pain if anyone did start, because it would then suffer from again being non portable.
osx bundles are a sort of compromise between having metadata available, but in a way thats portable. its a bit ugly, but it works.
its also all xml, woo woo.
BeOS was insanely great, with some innovations that were entirely ahead of its time. But do they really have that much going for them now? Microsoft, Apple and several Linux groups already have highly GPU-integrated window managers going, for example, and work's being done on more metadata-rich filesystem-based platforms - WinFS and Spotlight both sit on top of NTFS and HFS+ respectively.
I wouldn't be surprised if it'd take them a few months or years to catch up to the current state of technology, because it's been maintained by enthusiasts ever since the company maintaining it dropped it. Even for something that was ahead of its time, it has catching up to do, both when it comes to technology and killer apps, and I guess what I'm asking is... is it worth it?
Considering the fact that Gassee apparently wanted $400 million in the end, I think it was a wise move.
Not only that, but the NeXT system had a significant userbase, and, more importantly, software. There was a large amount of software that was available on NeXT, some of which is still being added to OSX now (Apple's Pages software, for example, was once a NeXT app called, wait for it, Pages). Also, Next had the advantage of being used in research institutions (The WWW was developed on a NeXT by Tim Berners-Lee) and was one of the very first systems to offer a fully fledged web application server (WebObjects). The fact that NeXT also had the advantage of some 8 or 9 years of experience and development behind it didn't hurt its chances either.
Possibly, one of the additional factors in Apple's decision was the fact that basing the next Apple OS on BeOS would have meant using a completely untested system. Untested in the market, I mean. Given that Apple really was in dire straights at the time (1995-1996), I think Apple made a wise decision.
But who knows, perhaps BeOS would have made apple become the absolute killer in the OS world.
or MacOS 1011
(there are 10 kinds of people in this world... etc)
If all of that works...I know a big "if"...there shouldn't any shortage of software.
Moving to a BSD(unix) based system breathed new life into the MAC with a world of software possibilities and its ability to place nice with other systems. MAC has proven that unix can be used for a friendly and powerful desk top system. In a way it also proven that it is very hard to make it as a third party alternative sandwiched in between the Nix * Windows world. This reincarnation of BeOS sounds interesting enough for me to buy a copy, but I wonder about its potential to survive in niche that is similar to one that MAC decided was not a good place to be. Maybe the 2 keys this time around is that it is starting off in Europe away from Bill Gates' home market and that microsoft may be distracted with linux as a challenger to the point of not trying to crush this new version of beOS
Is Zeta OS using NTFS as the default file system?
No, they still use BeFS. I imagine they're just showing that NTFS partitions can be mounted (not sure if they're read-only).
It is funny and somewhat interesting in its funnyness but this value is totally irrelevant, your Linux, configured the same way as my Linux won't have the same result because the user is different and a lot of the reboots one experiences is directly linked to the usage he makes of his computer. I like to fiddle in my machine, I'm learning trough curiosity, I have a lot more chance to crash, hang or whatever and have to reboot than someone who's running the same server day in day out.
My last Mac on osX has been maybe rebooted 4-5 time because of something else than upgrades in its 5 years usage. However, since I'm now trying to make it an extension of my PC by integrating both computer togheter via networking stuff like VNC, DAVE et al. so they look like one machine to me, I've been rebooting it alot...
Same machine, same OS, same user, different results...
So I guess what I'm asking is don't MOD someone up just because he pulls a half decent joke about Windows unstability and Linux stability, what he said simply is irrevelant.
I'd like to second Watts on this. I ran BeOS as my primary home OS for several years on both PPC then Intel hardware. BeOS is one of my favorite OSes ever, right up there with NewtonOS and Amiga. BeOS was incredibly responsive on even the most modest hardware back then. For me the OS provided a stable writing, web development and browsing platform that also allowed great control over disk formats, allowing recovery of crashed Mac and Windoze drives. It could also do things like play several dozen instances of large Quicktimes simulataneously - like 30 copies of a Star Wars trailer at once. BeOS rocked - it was everything that Apple and Commodore had promised but come up short with their products.
I also agree w/ parent about this new ZetaOS not being compelling in 2005. A lot of great software has been written in past 5-6 years.
Josh
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Apple actually made an offer for Be. It just wasn't as much money as the Be folks wanted. They didn't buy NeXT because of superior technology, but because they liked the total package (with Jobs) at that pricepoint better.
As far as JLG not having charisma, he had it, it was just that it was french charisma. How many American CEOs say that their product 'makes their nipples hard'? :)
I'm a newbie with Linux, so I didn't know that. I just get frusturated at how much effort it take to, for instance, mount a usb flash drive. In Windows it happens automatically, in BeOS it happens automatically or you can right click on your drive icon, go to mount, and click it. In Linux, after searching for the procedure for a while, the best method I found was to reboot into root, run a few (rather non-intuitive) commands on the command line, reboot again and essentially repeat that to undo it. While I like Linux's security and the power of the command line, I don't like it to hinder me that much, or have the command line compensate for something that should be in the GUI.
I'll just respond to this point: there's a good reason that Smalltalk syntax is used. The dot notation implies some sort of "ownership", so x.y() means call y which is a member function of x. But this is different in Objective-C, because the idea of using member functions isn't present here - we use the idea of sending a message to an object. You can send a message to any object in a dynamic language such as Objective-C, so really the idea of ownership doesn't really work, because an object can "capture" a message and forward the message on or do other stuff with the message. Perhaps the idea of Smalltalk notation is unpalatable, but the dot notation simply doesn't imply the right semantics in Objective-C.