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Firefox Improves Pop-Up Ad Blocking

BlakeCaldwell writes "The popular open-source browser already contains a pop-up blocker by default, but this does not handle pop-ups launched by plug-ins such as Flash and Java. Mozilla employee Asa Dotzler wrote in his blog last week that Mozilla developers are responding to the increasing number of advertisers that are using plug-ins to launch pop-up ads."

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  1. I've been testing it... by tquinlan · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...and it seems to work very well so far. The sites I've noted that managed to get a popup through even with the normal popup blocker can no longer get them open.

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    1. Re:I've been testing it... by madprof · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try going to a UK newspaper website. The Times is especially bad for pop up adverts that the blocker can't get.

    2. Re:I've been testing it... by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Drudge Report is another site that still defies Firefox and Safari with pop-unders. Still very irritating, but not even close to being as irritating as those javascript ones that float around on the window that you have to chase down with the mouse, trying to click a tiny, moving close-box.

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    3. Re:I've been testing it... by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Using AdBlock combined with a good filterset took care of the Drudge Report for me.

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    4. Re:I've been testing it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're all under your browser window.

      It's frightening the things that can lurk under the browser window. NEVER close it.

    5. Re:I've been testing it... by fishbot · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just tried it on a pr0n site, and I quite definitely got a popup.

      Not sure how they're going to fix that one with a browser extension, though...

  2. Counter-counter-attack by hey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How soon til the pop-up ad companies find a way around this new blocked and Mozilla has to respond again, ...

    1. Re:Counter-counter-attack by TheRealFixer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At least, thankfully, Mozilla DOES respond. How many years did it take for IE to finally even get pop-up blocking?

    2. Re:Counter-counter-attack by happymedium · · Score: 5, Informative

      Advertisers may not be that worried about Firefox in particular. Remember that it still only has 5% market share or so against the IE monolith, thus a smart advertiser would spend more resources exploiting IE. When Firefox becomes more popular, that's when we really have to start worrying.

      However, couldn't there be a definitive end to this battle in which one browser essentially stops popup windows completely? There are only so many ways to load the damn things, after all. I thought (correct me if I'm wrong) that popups have gotten more press in the last month or so because more people started using Flash to open them. That quickly got blocked by a FF extension. The recent renewal of interest in the issue doesn't necessarily mean that popups are impossible to get rid of.

    3. Re:Counter-counter-attack by davidmcw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Remember that 5% is still 1 in 20 visitors, advertisers still care about these kinds of numbers and will try to get around it.

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    4. Re:Counter-counter-attack by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To me, it DOES mean they are worried. Not long after Firefox 1.0 the js popups started appearing. Had they not been so concerned, we still to this day wouldn't require popups.

      It helps that Firefox, or sites where Firefox use is prevalent, tends to skew younger, a demographic web advertisers seek out.

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    5. Re:Counter-counter-attack by DoctorPepper · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry, but you're wrong. I get every update Apple pushes out, and as of yesterday evening, I was still getting pop-unders in Safari.

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    6. Re:Counter-counter-attack by happymedium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely correct... and IE could have had a popup blocker all along; it's not like it would be hard for MS to code. So why didn't they? Probably because they believed in the ridiculous philosophy that intrusive popups are a legitimate source of ad revenue. It was, or should have been obvious to them what their consumers wanted, but MS being a business (unlike the Mozilla Foundation), put business interests first. This is the same reason that Windows Media Player is loaded with DRM. MS only caved on the popup blocking issue because FF, which included blocking by default, started gaining market share as IE's reputation tanked. Self-interest alone drives IE's development, whereas FOSS developers tend to actually care about the people who use their programs.

    7. Re:Counter-counter-attack by HomerJayS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or maybe, just maybe, there were already dozens of popup blockers written by 3rd parties available for IE for years.

      I use IE exclusively and haven't seen a pop-up ad (flash or otherwise) for over 3 years.

  3. It doesn't work by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Informative
    Don't want to spoil everyones fun but you should read the comments posted below before you install it.

    In short, it doesn't work particulary well. However, adot has responded and says that those issues will be worked on.

    Having suffered one of those "new generation" of pop ups only about 10 minutes ago, I look forward to seeing this functionality when it's in a more finished state.

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    1. Re:It doesn't work by ahsile · · Score: 4, Informative

      The most annoying popups I have seen lately are making use of document.layers and not plugins like flash. Most of the time they're the ones that popup ads when you run your mouse cursor over a word. Pain in the ass, those are.

  4. A refreshing change... by Moby+Cock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is why I like to use FF. The rate of change from the devs is so much faster than most other browsers. (Opera may be better, I don't know, I never use it, I don't like the ads) Pop-ups are starting to bother FF users, so the Mozilla guys start to sort it out. Well done guys, and thanks.

  5. For the impatient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  6. Not really an update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't really an update to the popup blocking code in Firefox, it makes the default preferences a little more aggressive.

    In fact, it blocks all popups so that you have to manually whitelist the sites that use legitimate popups.

  7. Half of the problem solved... by Minute+Work · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fight plugins with plugins.
    For the 3 people who aren't aware of the Flashblocker extension yet.
    https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/morei nfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows &category=Web%20Annoyances&numpg=10&id=433

  8. Blog comments Say It Works Too Universally... by Pants75 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The comments on that blog URL are pretty unanimous in that they say the patch causes FF to block pretty much all pop-ups, even ones you want to occur.

    Might not be the ideal solution who use alot of web applications rather than just surfing.

  9. test pop up link by alatesystems · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a test popup/popunder link for Firefox using flash.

  10. All things are relative by rueger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ah, just yesterday I was getting annoyed because I had seen three or four pop-under ads in less than a week.

    Then I borrowed a friends machine with Internet Explorer. Wow! I had no idea how much crap Firefox was blocking!

    How do people live with all of this garbage?

  11. For those to lazy to read the blog by medication · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a direct link to the extension.
    I'm waiting for the patch/extension that allows me to turn off flash banners like I can turn off images.

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    1. Re:For those to lazy to read the blog by gzearfoss · · Score: 5, Informative

      I find Flashblock to be sufficient for my needs. It allows you to turn it completely on or off, and a whitelist of sites. It replaces flash animations with a button which you can select to play the flash animation.

  12. You could fix this by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Informative

    You could fix this a long time ago by going to about:config, and changing the value of privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins to "2". I started using this since I've heard of it, and it haven't seen a popup since. I think it's nice that they've enabled this by default, or made it more accessible. They should make more of the settings in about:config accessible in an easier way.

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    1. Re:You could fix this by kryptkpr · · Score: 4, Informative

      They should make more of the settings in about:config accessible in an easier way.

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  13. Pop-ups. by Pants75 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I use IE exclusivly. *Please don't hit me*

    But I have hardly any trouble with popups.

    Maybe I don't go to the sort of sites that use them? Maybe I've just filtered those sites out of my brain?

    I don't know but the only sites I see popups on are Sciam.com and NewScientist.com

    Others might do it but I never notice.

    However, I do get pissed off with those floating flash ads which hover over the body of the page. Those are f*cking everywhere these days.

    If FF blocks those reliably then I'd be tempted to swap.

    Pete

    1. Re:Pop-ups. by aug24 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most /.ers (me inc) use flashblock. No flash content is loaded till you click on it, instead a nice, subtle blue italic 'f' in a frame is displayed. It's no problem when you want o see something - you just click! - and the rest of the time it means flash jiggly advert crap is all gone.

      Get FF then get flashblock (google is your friend), then try IE again after a week. You'll never touch it again.

      J.

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  14. Other methods by whitehatlurker · · Score: 5, Informative
    While I have been using the Opera popup blocker for some time, I find that it's {easier / better / more portable / other reason here} to use a filtering proxy (e.g. proxomitron or similar).

    They are one stop shopping for blocking the junk that clutters the web.

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  15. Shooting one's self in the foot? by CleverNickedName · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate ads as much as anyone, but don't they pretty much fund most sites?

    If the advertising companies ever cop on to the fact that many/most people never even see their ads, won't they drop them and leave unfunded?

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  16. Proxomitron by sytxr · · Score: 5, Informative

    A very useful windows freeware(non-OSS) that acts as a local proxy server with custom filters to rewrite web sites on the fly on their way to the browser. All Filters are written in a reasonably potent filtering language and new ones can be written and added.

    Possibilities include:
    - some popup blocking
    - convert within-frame links to normal ones
    - convert embedded flash animations or other plugins to clickable links
    - modify header information (referrer, browser name,version , caching meta tags)

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=proxomitron&b tnG=Google+Search

  17. Re:How about. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah, a bigot. I love bigots. I used to see people who were bigoted about race, or even religion, but now I'm seeing more and more technology bigots. They're no better.

  18. Prefbar lets you ignore most of the crap by bbtom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    PrefBar lets you change your settings. I use it to filter out most flash, animations, JS and Java - then tick them when I need them. Combine that with Flashblock and Adblock and you've got a useful browser.

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  19. Re:ummm.. by delus10n0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Internet Explorer did; FireFox "borrowed" the concept.

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  20. Use the adblock extension! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Use the adblock extension, and add a filter to block the intellitext server address. Blocks that garbage everytime for me.

    I'm shocked that so many people use Firefox, but not the Adblock extension. That's the first extension everyone on Earth should install, hell it should be integrated into Firefox!

  21. Re:How about. . . by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not sure why people think they need to have Flash installed since it's nothing but a resoure hog and rarely provides any extra benefit. As a poster the other day said, if I see the missing puzzle piece when I go to a site that means the site is using Flash and isn't a site I want to visit.

    simple, there's really one very good reason to have Flash installed:
    Strong Bad

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  22. Baloney Re:well by voss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Popup blocking does not stop ads on webpages, you can put all the banner ads any advertiser can want. You just cant force my browser to open windows.

    Lets get this straight...
    NO WEB AUTHOR HAS THE RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE WEB PAGE ITSELF.

    Whether it is cookie, a popup, or whatever. The web page owners right to control what I view ends at the borders of the web page. Any website owner who uses code to deliberately bypass my popup blocker is hacking my web browser and I should be able to prosecute both the web page owner(as an accessory) and the person who put the code in there. Is that clear enough?

  23. Insightful? by SFA_AOK · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I can understand that not everybody wants Flash and Java functionality when browsing the web. I hate sites that are all flash.

    But it's not like the technologies can only be used for obnoxious means. Hooray for the flash game that'll kill 10 minutes here and there!

    Not to mention that if FF wants to be taken seriously by the mainstream it needs to have the options that give it an edge (in this case, pop-up blocking) but support those technologies an average end-user expects from the web (rightly or wrongly!). Sitting their going "It's a third party issue!" is so much more damaging to the growth of FireFox than actually implementing a fix to work around that behaviour.

  24. The solution to this problem: by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Put in a user-checkbox to:
    1) disallow layering, or force items in different layers to be drawn at the bottom of the page, much like a word processor document page 2 is drawn below word processor document page 1 (this may be needed to preserve navigation items that are in the non-default layer).
    2) disallow plugins from using screen space not reserved for them

    The combination of the two will send a message to web design companies "don't even try this unless you want your web page to look bizzare on some customers' machines."

    Granted, this could interfere with "good" things like menus that "floated" at the top of the page and other related items, but per-site and per-page exceptions will take care of this problem.

    "Best viewed in any browser" is the idea web page for "general public" web sites anyways.

    Too bad this is in the "easier said than done" category, but I hope someone or some group is up to the challenge.

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  25. Wrong! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative

    Firefox ALREADY HAD a popup blocker. What they borrowed from Microsoft was the top bar that allowed you to unblock a specific popup on runtime. Sometimes good ideas CALL to be borrowed (and thank God this one wasn't patented!)