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Yahoo! Search Providing Support to Wikipedia

Jamesday writes "Yahoo! Search will also be providing support for Wikipedia. Discussions, started at the same time as the aforementioned Google announcement, have been ongoing with both Yahoo! and Google but only the Google news leaked. It's now more clear why Wikipedia said there was no need to worry about undue influence from any single sponsor."

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  1. How about from two? by tquinlan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While Yahoo! and Google may be competitors, the two of them often do collaborate, with Yahoo! even using Google to do their searches. I don't know if I'm entirely comfortable with a caveat about "not worrying about undue influence from any one vendor" when the other 'opposing' influence is in the game for the same reason and has a history of working with is 'competitor'.

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    1. Re:How about from two? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yahoo! stopped using Google for searches last year, exactly because Google started becoming a significant competitor.

    2. Re:How about from two? by CDarklock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't see how a vendor can influence a Wiki any more easily than it can influence the market. It strikes me that you would have to fundamentally alter the way Wikipedia works for any such influence to make even a slight difference.

      Of course, I might be overlooking something. How do you suggest the vendor might influence Wikipedia? What could a similar site do to prevent such influence?

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    3. Re:How about from two? by tquinlan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, I missed the word "once" in there, it was supposed to say "Yahoo ONCE used Google".

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    4. Re:How about from two? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

      But but...

      Look, it's weird:

      Yahoo! search for asfdhfjewrtwsdfsdfgt
      Google search for asfdhfjewrtwsdfsdfgt

      They're *EXACTLY* the same result pages. If that's not a proof, I don't know what is...

      (By the way, re-read the parent post, it says Yahoo! *used* to use the Google engine. Not anymore...)

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    5. Re:How about from two? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
      > Yahoo! uses Google to do their searching? I doubt it.
      > Yahoo! search for `xyzzy' [yahoo.com]

      "Results 1 - 10 of about 165,000 for xyzzy- 0.02 sec."

      Nothing happens.

      > Google search for `xyzzy' [google.com]

      "Results 1 - 10 of about 287,000 for xyzzy. (0.24 seconds)"

      Almost twice as much nothing happens.
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    6. Re:How about from two? by BlueTooth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both Google and Yahoo! are supporting Wikipedia by providing hosting. Let's take a look at how a plain old hosting provider may influence its customers:
      http://www.verio.com/about/legal/aup.cfm

      Note in particular:
      Other Activities -- Engaging in activities, whether lawful or unlawful, that Verio determines to be harmful to its subscribers, operations, reputation, goodwill, or customer relations.

      Since Yahoo and Google are donating hosting, you could argue that they might hold even greater influence over Wikipedia (i.e. we're giving this to you for free so you have to play by all our rules).

      I assume that Wikipedia's position is that since they will diversify across several donors, if one becomes too restrictive, the content in question could be moved to services provided by a different donnor.

      For example, if Wikipedia had an article which put Google's search technology in a better light than Yahoo!, then Yahoo! might not want to have a part in hosting those articles. But because Wikipedia gets hosting donated from multiple sources, it could just move the offending material to a host not provided by Yahoo!

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    7. Re:How about from two? by jm92956n · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yahoo was an early investor in Google! From an article on last year's IPO:
      Also due for a big payoff are Yahoo and America Online Inc., which were early Google investors. Yahoo is selling 549,888 shares; AOL will unload 867,149, according to the filing. At $121.50 per share, Yahoo would collect $67 million, while AOL, part of Time Warner Inc., would reap $105 million.
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    8. Re:How about from two? by UrgleHoth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't you know? "asfdhfjewrtwsdfsdfgt" was one of the names that Mandrakesoft was going to change Mandrake Linux to.

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  2. Yahoo! is turning around... by k3v1n · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It certainly seems like Yahoo! is turning back around, hot on Google's heals. With Yahoo 360, Flickr, and their developer tools, it seems like they are becoming relevant (again.)

    1. Re:Yahoo! is turning around... by jm92956n · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Guardian recently published an article that claims Google has "jumped the shark." The author's contention is that Yahoo! has caught up to Google in nearly aspect, and have surpassed them in several areas.

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    2. Re:Yahoo! is turning around... by Skeezix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The main reason I'm excited about Yahoo's recent surge of activity and announcements is that it will up the ante for Google and increase competition between the two companies. C'mon, Google, look at Yahoo! Redouble your efforts!

    3. Re:Yahoo! is turning around... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, the competition catches up.. that makes Google not as good any more?

      That doesn't really make any sense.

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    4. Re:Yahoo! is turning around... by Espectr0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The author's contention is that Yahoo! has caught up to Google in nearly aspect, and have surpassed them in several areas.

      I read that article.
      1. Says yahoo mail has the same 1gb space. Now gmail has 2, and even if it didn't, gmail is better
      2. Says yahoo maps is better because it has live traffic. I tried it out, and got the same map image with or without the traffic indicator. So i guess i had bad luck
      3. Developer tools. I don't use them so i don't know if yahoo's are better
      4. Yahoo has movie search. But IIRC, google announced that too some days ago
      5. Better research labs. Yes, yahoo seems to announce researchers and lets you download papers. It has yet to be seen if the stuff they can cook up with is better than google's. So far, i like google maps better and google suggest
      6. Search is still google's strength. I went to the yagoohoogle site, and searched for itself. Guess which search was better? Google's number 1 link was yagoohoogle, yahoo was some weird site talking about it
  3. good news by kebes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikipedia is great, IMHO. The main thing holding back really is hardware. It often runs too slowly and in particular using wikipedia's built-in search often returns a "server is overloaded" response. (I guess that's why I always use Google to search for the correct wikipedia page.)

    That's why I think these deals are a good thing. If companies are willing to donate bandwidth and server storage to wikipedia, that will help the project quite a bit. Of course, we are all concerned about wikipedia being corrupted by companies, and something awful happening to the whole project. I, for one, think wikimedia is smart enough and dedicated enough to avoid this. And even if they arn't, let's all remember that the whole *point* of wikimedia releasing everything under commons licensing is that *no one* (not even wikimedia) can lock the content away or commercialize it. If wikimedia starts becoming evil, someone can (and will) fork the project and re-release the entire thing.

    1. Re:good news by slapout · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If wikimedia starts becoming evil, someone can (and will) fork the project and re-release the entire thing.

      I certainly hope so. Remember what happened to CDDB (aka Gracenote)? And to a lesser extent IMDB.

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    2. Re:good news by gowen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But those were possible because the (lack of) license / copyright on the information enabled the guardians of that information to make a succesful "Knowledge Grab"

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    3. Re:good news by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Informative

      The main thing holding back really is hardware. It often runs too slowly. . .

      I has been a hell of a lot better in that last few weeks. Wikipedia's one fault, in the past, was just what you mention above, however it no longer seems to be an issue.

      Of course, we are all concerned about wikipedia being corrupted by companies, and something awful happening to the whole project.

      I know you refute this point I quote, however it bears further discussion. The very nature of Wikipedia fights corruption. The content is created dynamically such that any 'influence' over the content would have to be universal. Thus, I worry not.

  4. No Worries... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way that Wikipedia is set up, with the constant editing of its pages, I'm not concerned about in the least about what influence Google or Yahoo! might have. Wikipedia started without them, and there is no reason why, if the worse case scenarios happen, that another collaborative encyclopedia cannot be started. It simply too good of an idea to succumb that easily.

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  5. Bad trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The shortcuts will show contextually relevant abstracts of Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/ articles in response to user queries."

    Meaning that people will search for something, be present with an encyclopedia (which isn't) by the search engine, then take what it says to be correct as if it had been fact-checked. There are just too many errors in Wikipedia for it be turning up when students search for things on the internet.

    1. Re:Bad trend by c0p0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      sure, because any other free resource on the internet is more trustworthy than the wipiedia you mean?

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    2. Re:Bad trend by mrbooze · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In what way is Wikipedia "Peer-reviewed"? *Anyone* can update an entry, right? Like, I could decide to submit my own interpretations on string theory, despite my knowing nothing about string theory and having no credentials on that subject at all.

      That's not at all like a real peer-reviewed journal, where the review and comment process is much more rigorous.

      Sure, if I spew some blatantly false blather, someone will eventually catch it and fix it. But how long will the wrong information be out there for some poor student to see and think is true vetted "peer-reviewed" data?

      My wife teaches various aspects of anthropology and works with some genuine peer-reviewed academic journals. She'd never accept Wikipedia as a real reference in a student paper. (She in fact rants about it frequently for how common errors are.) Neither would she accept someguyswebsite.com either, of course. Many credible sources also have their own websites, and then there's always the horrible prospect of actually going into a library for research.

      Wikipedia has its uses, I still refer to it myself sometimes when I'm just looking something up out of curiosity, but I treat everything I read there with a grain of salt.

      This article by one of Wikipedia's original co-founders I think very precisely sums up some of the challenges Wikipedia faces to be considered a true, academic-level information source on par with "real" peer-reviews journals and encyclopedias.

      http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/12/30/142458/25

  6. Tinfoil Hat time! by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Funny

    They ARE working together! See!

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  7. Wikipedia Editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Editor which supports Wikipedia Syntax.
    * Wikipedia templates (Ctrl+SPACE)
    * HTML preview rendering
    * export wizard for generating HTML files
    * open a Wikipedia link with right mouse click and selecting "Open Wiki link"
    * HTML pages can be configured with velocity templates
    * update from a Wikipedia page (right mouse click in the editor)
    * HTTP GET Queries from selected editor texts (right mouse click in the editor)

    Changes: * a new context-menu item in the editor for creating all files for a given category [1] * a first Export Wizard to convert Wikipedia articles into a single PDF file. [2]

    [1] http://www.plog4u.org/index.php/Using_Eclipse_Wiki pedia_Editor:Download_a_Wikipedia_Article%23Grabbi ng_a_Category

    [2] http://www.plog4u.org/index.php/Using_Eclipse_Wiki pedia_Editor:Export_to_PDF_File"



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  8. Lets hope by bicho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wikipedia will not turn into the object of spammers and so.

    I see hard times coming.

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  9. Hey! Thanks! by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been stuck on this level of the internet forever!!! Once I typed the magic word xyzzy into my address bar, I am win!

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  10. BIAS! by Swamii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Search for Slashdot on Yagoohoogle, and what do you get? THIS!

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  11. Yahoo isn't that far behind! by JaF893 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yahoo's Q4 2004 profits: $373,000,000
    Google's Q4 2004 profits: $399,000,000
    Hardly a vast difference, the thing that people forget is that while google may perhaps be technologically superior its profits aren't that much greater.

    1. Re:Yahoo isn't that far behind! by gniv · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, but:
      Yahoo employee count: 7600
      Google employee count: 3021
      And how much older is Yahoo? They had plenty of time to make bigger profits, yet they don't.
    2. Re:Yahoo isn't that far behind! by Momoru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But 98% of google's profits are from advertising, which only makes up a much smaller part of Yahoo's profits. So if the online advertising world were to shift even slightly Google would be broke.

  12. I thought Jimbo had already sold out to Google... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    <jwales> In the interest of full disclosure I should add that Google
    gave me a pen that lights up.
    <jwales> When I saw that, I was like "oooh, pen!" and then I was soooo
    mesmerized that I signed over the rights to everything. ha ha.

    (actual quote, on IRC. It's funny; laugh.)

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  13. Critics of web referencing to lose ground by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Teachers in particular have frequently demanded that students not use the web as sources because "anyone could write anything" and not be held accountable. However, with Wiki, while people can indeed write anything, everything is subjected to heavy scrutiny by the God-knows-how-many visitors to the site. Errors get corrected, definitions expand and over time the site gets more traffic and its content accelerates exponentially to perfection, or at least to the accuracy of a two-shelf encyclopedia (except up to date).

    With Yahoo joining the club, the site obviously will get a tremendous boost in the aforementioned correlation of increased visitors producing increased accuracy. Also, with the Yahoo deal, and with other dynamic visitor-updated info sites like blogs being taken more seriously by the mainstream media, you can expect other high rolling companies to follow Yahoo's lead.

    By the way, when I'm looking for an answer to any question that requires human interpretation to my query, I use ask-it-here. While I'm being informative, here's a link to a Firefox extension that lets you (I think by means of a right click) look up a word quickly on a number of sites including Wiki.

  14. Yahoo and Spam by augustz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's worth remembering what type of companies yahoo and google are.

    Yahoo you will remember pulled a fast one and ENABLED every single newsletter and other junk mail type preference automatically, even if when you signed up you specifically said you didn't want to receive junk mail.

    http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/29/183 3235&tid=111

    In other words, if Yahoo thinks they can get away with it, they will screw their users.

    I havn't gotten that same sense with google yet. They havn't pulled a fast one, tried to lock up my gmail emails or any of the other stunts.

    That counts for a lot with me. I just don't have time to work out what stunt Yahoo is going to pull next.