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Start-up Granted Injunction Against Microsoft

AustinSlacker writes " A San Jose, CA start-up, Alacritech Inc, was granted a preliminary injunction against Microsoft in a patent infringement lawsuit involving several patents related to Microsoft's implementation of "Chimney" TCP offload architecture."

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  1. Mountain out of a molehill by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Based on the press release, it seems more like Alacritech is trying to boost its own profile and try the case in the media.

    First, if it requires a much higher standard of proof to get a preliminary injunction than it does to win at trial, as they claim, how come there are trials where preliminary injunctions are granted and then the plaintiffs lose? They're trying to play up this minor victory in the opening salvo of legal maneuverings as if they've already won the trial. Their lawyers know that's not the case and so do Microsoft's lawyers and execs. So who are they tring to convince?

    And would Microsoft think a single networking technology would provide that much leverage? Seeing as the phrase comes from an Alacritech lawyer, it seems like just so much more hyperbole. If Microsoft "rules the world", it does so more because it owns the consumer/business desktop than because of huge wins in the server market. Microsoft has much more competition in the server OS world than it does in the desktop OS world.

    All, in all, I consider this non-news. Let's see if the injunction withstands an appeal or two, or if the case withstands some of Microsoft's early motions. Until then, IMO, this is all just a lot of preening by peacocks in suits.

    - Greg

  2. I'm starting to see the software patent problem. by Future+Man+3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can see how a small developer can infringe inadvertently on an existing patent, whether by happening across the same method or forgetting that he observed the method in an existing product.

    That said, if a company with the size, resources, and hipness to the patent system that Microsoft has still has problems with the patent minefield, clearly something's wrong and needs to be fixed. The patent system is there to protect innovators, not to pull the legs out from under existing and profitable companies -- the economic ramifications of permitting individuals to sink corporations over legal silliness are staggering.

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  3. Good, but not for the obvious reason by Verteiron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time something like this happens, it pushes large companies a step closer towards realizing that perhaps software patents are not an entirely Good Thing for the industry as a whole. And that means said large companies are one step closer to lobbying for software patent reform which, as we all know, is what it takes for any actual change to occur.

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    1. Re:Good, but not for the obvious reason by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you SURE there are different ways to do things? I have seen programmers around the world solve a given problem and have the code be darn near identical. Heck a number of times on the some of the programming channels I am on several of us have written a solution for someone and our code was IDENTICAL. Same spacing, same var names etc and that was for up to 20 lines of code.

      When you patent software you are patenting ideas. Supporting patents on software would be like supporting patents on books. The value is in how it is all put together in the end, not in all the bites and pieces. Just like for a book the value is not in all the words but in the full telling of the story and the same is true of software. The problem is that unless you write software for many years it is very hard to understand this. Without doing it people just can't see how it really works.

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    2. Re:Good, but not for the obvious reason by fcw · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I am not a programmer, so I don't know how it works with software, but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens in that industry too.

      Time to be surprised. Economically, software is fundamentally different from all other technical fields because it is immaterial.

      We develop the basic idea of a new technology, work out the initial kinks, then sell it to another company for scale up operations.

      This is the kind of thing that patents can actually be good for.

      However, in software, there is no "scale up operation" that requires the incentive of patent protection -- once you've worked the kinks out of your software idea, you're done. By design, computers can generate unlimited, perfect copies of your software forever for free, and the standing infrastructure of the internet makes distribution to arbitrary numbers of customers effectively error- and cost-free as well.

      This is the reason we have free software, but not free drugs or free nanotechnology.

      And it's also the reason why patents for software are a mistake of the first order.

      Kill patents and you better get cozy with universities and massive corporations, because without IP laws entrepreneurs and risk taking startups are SOL.

      This is only true when there are significant financial risks associated with bringing a new invention to the marketplace. Remember that patents are solely an economic device to protect such investment, in order to encourage investors to pay for the new factories or processes or materials. If the inventors can do it by themselves, and can get started with the money in their pockets, what are the patents needed for?

      When such investments are not required to bring a new invention to the market, patents are an unnecessary burden, especially on the small company.

      For a real example, take Microsoft; they went from nothing to literally the richest company in the world in 20 years in software without patent protection. (They want them now because they see their lucrative business model threatened by free software, and so they are doing the business equivalent of running to Daddy for help by asking for government-sanctioned barriers to entry to the market.)

      Surely the prospect of creating fabulous wealth without significant cash outlay is sufficient incentive to innovate in software?

  4. the plan.. by jspectre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. invent technology
    2. apply for patent
    3. show technology to microsoft (who then copies said technology)
    4. sue microsoft for infringing on patent
    5. wait for buyout settlement
    6. PROFIT!

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  5. Re:We are by symbolic · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Well, let me speak for myself. I don't think they are a good idea...at all. The best thing about *this* case is that it could easily become a thorn in the side of one of the biggest patent whores in the US. I find it particularly amusing that the patent holder is under no obligation whatsoever to ensure that the terms are "agreeable" to whomever wants to license them.

    EAT PATENT, MICROSOFT!

  6. profit equation by vlad_petric · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Giving ~50 million dollars to a cocky startup: nothing.

    Preventing OSS adoption through patent/indemnization FUD campaigns: priceless

    Patents is really the only ace they have right now against OSS.

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  7. Re:Watch out Microsoft by dnixon112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are against software patents. The reason this is a good thing is simple. Big companies have a lot of lobbying power with the government. The more big companies, like Microsoft, are getting screwed over by bullshit software patents (instead of just using them to screw others over) the more likely they will push for patent reform. If big companies, not just some open source junkies, are using their lobbying power to change software patents then it will be a lot easier to get the system changed.

  8. SOP for M$ by jwave · · Score: 5, Insightful
    OK, at the risk of clobbering my newly grown karma, allow me to point out that this is a shining example of how Microsoft has grown to become the great behemoth it is.

    Below, find three sequential elements from the timeline in TFA.

    • 09/98 - Alacritech meets with Microsoft and describes patent-pending Dynamic TCP Offload architecture in detail under a non-disclosure agreement
    • 04/99 - At Microsoft's request, Alacritech delivers detailed architecture document for integrating Alacritech SLIC Technology into Windows
    • 06/99 - Microsoft ceases further communications with Alacritech and subsequently proceeds to use Alacritech SLIC Technology without a license

    How many articles have we seen here on /. that duplicates this pattern? Who else has been stepped on by the giant in such manner? I'm sure somebody could find a fist-full of articles here in history that shows exactly that behavior pattern.

    Am I correct in recalling that Novell got stung? IBM? I know those are giants themselves. I'm just glad to see that a little David has been able to sling his stone bullet into the face of the Goliath. Now, let's see if they can make it really count.

    I'm not asking to shut down Microsoft. Just have them play fair.

    Is that too much to ask, Bill?

    (Bill: "Why, yes. It is.")

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  9. Obvious?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read TFP (The Fine Patent), or at least a good part of it.

    It seems to be nothing more than the specification of the interface to an I/O processor. There have been I/O processors since the 60's.

    I couldn't find anything that was at all innovative about.

    I think M$ probably looked at what they had, said "So what? How does this help us?" and proceded to go ahead and implement what they had already envisioned.

    If a patent doesn't have something in it that causes you to say "Why didn't I think of that?" or "Why did the aliens contact that guy instead of me?" it probably shouldn't be granted.

  10. Re:Follow the money: Alacritech vs. Broadcom? by pavera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which of course is the point of patents.
    Alacritech "invented" the idea, so they get to be the only game in town for 20 years... This is the problem in my mind with software patents (the length of time not the monopoly granted).

    Software patents would be fine if they lasted 2 years, maybe 3 at the very most. I feel that software patents don't achieve their purpose of fostering innovation because if I patent process xyz, and no one else can use it except for pay me for it, well, someone is going to figure out how to do xqwz and end up at the same endpoint without violating my patent. So, in short the patent didn't make me any money, it just encouraged reinvention of the wheel, which makes all development slower.

  11. Re:Watch out Microsoft by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. If you are against a law, pray for its enforcement against the rich & powerful. That is the quickest way it will be changed.

  12. Re:Watch out Microsoft by wardk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As dubious as it sounds, it can also be a matter of, after looking at it indetail, they discovered that there was nothing special about it.

    This certainly could be the case.

    I know they were so unimpressed with Stac's disk compression technology, that they quickly wrote their own from scratch in a clean room. wait, maybe that was Sybase SQL Server. No, that's not it.

    maybe the risk losing a suit in the end is cheaper than either paying legit royalties or investing the R&D to roll your own. I think maybe MS has so much money, they are willing to take these sorts of risks, it's only money...that stuff falls from the sky for them.

  13. Re:Watch out Microsoft by Jason+Earl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft is currently defending itself in over 30 of these patent cases. Microsoft has huge piles of money, they talk to everyone, and they have a long history of shady dealings. Patenting a technology that Windows is likely to infringe in the future is the "new" way to make scads of money in the software business.

    It's truly ironic that Microsoft paints Free Software as having patent issues. Heck, even IBM is starting to realize that patent reform is probably in its best interest.

  14. Re:Watch out Microsoft by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree mostly.

    Consider a historical invention that was truly worth patenting, like the transistor. By demonstrating and explaining the benefits of technology to any number of huge companies, most of them with R&D interests and good technical people would see how valuable the invention is. They'd also know that they may not be smart enough to invent it on their own and would pay.

    Consider on the other hand someone giving a power point presentation on the concept of one click shopping. I know that I could hire any given ambitious junior high school student a minimum wage job to build that for me if I describe it to him. To sue me for doing so because I didn't pay said presentor simply because he had a "patent" on this idea is pretty lame. If this is the case, I'm afraid I'm with Microsoft on this issue. MS is evil, I agree and they will burn in hell. But they do not have the market cornered on evil.

    It would be amusing if each MS hater went about patenting every single thing that crossed our mind and sued MS for infringement. We could "prosecute" on the cheap, and MS would be forced to fight us all off. Death by a hundred million mosquitos. Hey, the patent system might even get a much needed reform out of it.

    I hereby patent this process, but I grant each person license to use it against MS, free of charge.