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Slashback: Pie, Election, Alarm

Slashback this evening with another batch of updates and responses to previous Slashdot posts, including: how Firefox users can avoid post-cookie Web tracking (for now), more on open-source graphics drivers, and an alarm clock that sounds perfect for annoying a spouse. Read on for the details.

Does he feel like Reese Witherspoon? Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier writes "After many years of trying, Branden Robinson has finally won the Debian Project Leader election. Linux Magazine has an in-depth interview with Robinson about his plans as DPL, the problems that face Debian, and what it's like to finally win the election."

(We mentioned Robinson's election a few days ago.)

In lieu of perfection, fixability is a good start. gyardley writes "After discovering that a company called United Virtualities was making use of Flash's Local Shared Objects to silently restore my deleted cookies, I decided to combat this marketer behavior with a Firefox extension.

Objection 0.1 adds a 'Local Shared Objects' line to Firefox's Options > Privacy panel, allowing you to delete them as easily as you'd delete cookies. It's still pretty rudimentary - all or nothing deletion, working on Windows only - but Slashdotters are more than welcome to improve it. Since Local Shared Objects have the same functionality as cookies, we need the same amount of control over them as we do over cookies - and built into the browser, not tucked away in some obscure Macromedia page."

Sure, come on in, there's still some punch and snacks left, I think. orv writes "The Unichrome project has issued a response to VIA's recent open source announcement covered on Slashdot.

The response (and further comment) clarifies the current Unichrome driver situation and whilst welcoming VIA's move suggests that VIA should become more involved in existing open source projects rather than simply issuing repeated grand sounding press releases. The Unichrome project has provided and supported a full open source driver, including MPEG support, for the Unichrome and Unichrome Pro chipsets for the past two years."

But this implies that 'perky' is the desired state. dhalsim2 writes "Yahoo reports of a Smart Alarm Clock Set for Perky Wakeups. On the heels of Clocky comes this new alarm clock that will monitor a sleeper's brain waves to determine the best time to wake him up. The device uses a microprocessor within a headband that wirelessly transmits brainwaves to the clock. When the person is in a light sleep and is likely to wake up 'perky,' the alarm will go off. Brain wave monitoring? Sounds a lot like Plankton's Plan Z."

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  1. Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    on the heels of this, comes news of a Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups ...

    Yes, but make sure you don't get the Darth Vader edition of the Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups.

    That one not only reads your brain waves, but instead of adjusting itself to help you, it uses the dark side of alarm clock force to ring just a little bit too much ... and then on alternate Tuesdays it doesn't wake you up at all and laughs in an evil way when you finally regain conciousness ... plus it always broadcasts CNN.

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    1. Re:Smart Alarm Clock for Perky Wakeups by swimin · · Score: 3, Funny

      The reality is far worse, it tunes into Fox news, and if that can't be found,it randomly chooses between NPR, and NOAA weather radio.

  2. Broken Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The unichrome link is broken:

    http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/

  3. The whole PIE thing really bugs me by jessmeister · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have blogged on this repeatedly and even mentioned a good article which should give some perspective on this whole cookie question. Its not that cookies are such a bad thing when used correctly. Some people dont want to use them and thats fine. For them let them log in repeatedly and see ads that arent relevant or contextual to what they have been doing or watching. Coming up with another way of tracking users isnt the problem. The problem is that users are scared of the tracking. Educate the masses on the benefits and advertisers would see positive results. Who knows maybe they wouldnt have to resort to making ever more annoying advertisements just to try and snare my attention.

    1. Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me by An+Ominous+Cow+Erred · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's just I really DON'T want people knowing I spend 40% of my time on slashdot. I don't have a reason in particular, I just DON'T. I place a significant value on NOT having information about be spread willy nilly everwhere.

      Regarding Javascript, I REALLY don't like the idea of my browser automatically running code that someone else has written without me having the chance to check it out first. I don't think javascript is evil as a language, I just don't like the idea of going to a website and blindly running code from there. I don't care that it's in a sandbox -- all it takes is one exploit for the code to break its way out of the sandbox and boom. (And hopefully I'm running Linux and the developer is too focused on Win32 for his payload to do anything once it's out of javascriptland, but you never know.)

      Seriously, I'm never going to put instant, blind trust in anything online until I've checked it out first, and even then on general principles I won't enable cookies or jscript unless there's a compelling reason to do so.

      (3 the session-only feature in Moz browsers) =D

    2. Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me by jessmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no way that a cookie is relaying your email information. They only way a site can even look at a cookie is if they set it. Otherwise its a no go. The only way a cookie could contain your email address is you gave it previously to that site. In which case thats the source of your spam

    3. Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me by NickFortune · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Its not that cookies are such a bad thing when used correctly
      Bad for whom?
      Educate the masses on the benefits and advertisers would see positive results. Who knows maybe they wouldnt have to resort to making ever more annoying advertisements just to try and snare my attention.
      And no doubt spammers worldwide would suddenly see the errors of their ways and spam no more, give that targetted ads driven by tracking cookies were suddenly so effective...

      I'm sorry, I can't see it. Advertising is not an industry known for it's string ethical stance, and let's face it, such plagues as popups and flash ads were rife long before most people started disabling cookies.

      Logging in isn't such a big problem. I allow session cookies where they have a clear and useful purpose, so I only have to click that button once or twice a day.

      And besides which, my surfing habits are none of their business.

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    4. Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Informative

      HTTP authentication would require the server to track session state.

    5. Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me by sqlrob · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's what companies like DoubleClick do, and MSN pulls tricks to allow the cookies to work across domains.

      And it's tied to the domain of the site placing it, not the IP. Many sites have an image from the ad trackers (a single, invisible pixel, aka web bug) for placing the cookie. Those images can also be in e-mails that are rendered as HTML (look below the final </html> in the message source, they're commonly there)

    6. Re:The whole PIE thing really bugs me by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is it that no one uses the HTTP authentication mechanism for logins, and instead makes cookies do the job?

      Because the standard HTTP authentication mechanism is a bit ... Crap?

      The standard, most widely supported 'Basic' version makes the browser send the username and password in plaintext on every page request. Okay, without SSL, any login mechanism will transmit the password at least once, but 'Basic' makes it a bit too easy for packet sniffers and the like.

      Also, a bit more seriously, there's no standard way of getting the browser to clear its cached username and password beyond quitting the browser completely. It's as if someone entirely forgot that part of the standard, and thus it's a bit annoying.

      Cookies are a useful side-route around these problems; I rewrote my standard login system thingy recently to use a cookie containing a username and a long 'hash' string - the password is only transmitted once, then that login session is tied to a specific IP address (or rather, range of addresses to take account of multiple proxy servers and similar). It's hardly hyper-secure, but it's an improvement, and it's far easier to do with cookies than with any standard HTTP authentication.

      I do agree that cookies are horribly overused. I only ever set them when I absolutely need to store information client-side (and then it's only ever a reference to stuff stored in a database on the server) - other programmers seem to set as many cookies as they can, in the hope that some might be useful...

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  4. Just what we need by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
    An alarm clock that transmits our dreams to the FBI. Or let's the FBI sends it's dreams to us.

    But If I wore my tin foil hat, it would be kind of counter productive ....

    Wouldn't it?

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    1. Re:Just what we need by RevDobbs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FWIW, I know that I feel much better after four hours of sleep than I do after six; I always assumed that the reason the extra sleep left me groggy was that I was being jarred awake from deep sleep (details here). I find sleep fascinating, and always enjoy reading the disussions on it -- especially on how to get the most out of it. It seems like quite a safe tuning parameter to optimize, and a lot easier to get into than nootropics.

      I gladly, and with out hesitation, welcome our brain-monitoring alarm clock overlords.

    2. Re:Just what we need by artifex2004 · · Score: 3, Funny
      An alarm clock that transmits our dreams to the FBI. Or let's the FBI sends it's dreams to us.

      But If I wore my tin foil hat, it would be kind of counter productive ....

      Wouldn't it?


      That's why you should be sleeping in a Faraday Cage, of course. Problem solved.
  5. Wakeup watch... by Polo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's already a watch that helps you wake up at the "optimal" time:

    http://www.sleeptracker.com/

    1. Re:Wakeup watch... by jacobcaz · · Score: 3, Interesting
      • Do you know if that works?
        Looks interesting - If I'm not woken during a light sleep-phase I am completely wasted myself, it would be nice to have something to help ;)
      It actually does work really well. I bought one (read about my experience here on my blog).

      It does sense when I'm mostly awake and starts beeping which fully wakes me up. I'ts still an exercise to pull myself out of the soft, warm, fluffy bed at 6:30 in the morning. Goddamn corporate job, sucking the life right out of me!

  6. Uhhhh by elid · · Score: 2, Interesting
    On the heels of Clocky comes this new alarm clock that will monitor a sleeper's brain waves to determine the best time to wake him up. The device uses a microprocessor within a headband that wirelessly transmits brainwaves to the clock. When the person is in a light sleep and is likely to wake up 'perky,' the alarm will go off.

    What if I go to sleep late? Will this thing let me sleep till 2PM? I don't really understand the use of this thing.

    1. Re:Uhhhh by Sparr0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The device monitors how deeply you are sleeping, if you are dreaming, etc. If you are woken up when you are sleeping lightly you are likely to wake up quickly, but if your alarm interrupts a dream you tend to wake up slowly and more tired. Have you ever woken up early and felt ready to go, but felt like sleeping til your alarm goes off... then when it does you feel tired? This prevents that by picking a time close to your target wakeup time (but before your cutoff time) when you are the least likely to wake up tired.

  7. Now we just need ATi... by dhasenan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only ATi would release drivers for its cards supporting 3d acceleration on Linux. Never buying from them again.

    1. Re:Now we just need ATi... by cfalcon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like their script that overwrites your xorg.conf file. That thing is great. It breaks my keyboard, my mouse, assigns arbitrary and wrong refresh rates for my monitor, and a couple other things I'm too tired to think of right now. Last time it didn't even work.

      I'll give the Free software thing a try soon, but it hasn't been a high priority for me, as I don't use my hardware acceleration near as much as I thought I would (I thought my nice job would give me money to play games: it did, but took away my time!).

  8. Morning Wood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    When the person is in a light sleep and is likely to wake up 'perky,' the alarm will go off.

    Hardware hack, anyone?

  9. Warbraining anyone? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > The device uses a microprocessor within a headband that wirelessly transmits brainwaves to the clock.

    If you want to make it to work in the morning, you've gotta take the tinfoil hat off before you go to bed. And pay no attention to the black van with the three dozen Pringles cans mounted on the roof. We^H^HThey are not monitoring your dreams. Honest.

  10. Firefox and cookies by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Firefox needs to disable third party cookies by default. There's no reason why images/iframes from other(3rd party) domains should be allowed to set cookies. I don't see any reason why 3rd party cookies should be allowed, they are frequently abused and used as web bugs that track your web browsing from site to site.

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  11. Slashbacks really need a tag line by Eradicator2k3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something along the lines of:

    Slashback: Because you enjoyed these articles the first TWO times around.
    or
    Slashback: The nice way to say DUPE!!!
    or
    Slashback: This time we realized we've duped a story before we posted it.

    OTOH, what's to prevent unscrupulous editors from going back and editing the topic from Linux, YRO, etc. to Slashback in an attempt to cover their butts?

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  12. I don't want "perky." by Shag · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just want a clock that'll make my wife wake up non-grouchy. I'm sure there's a huge market for this device.

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    1. Re:I don't want "perky." by Geek+of+Tech · · Score: 5, Funny
      >> I just want a clock that'll make my wife wake up non-grouchy. I'm sure there's a huge market for this device.

      Why? How many different people have to worry about your wife waking up grouchy? :P

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  13. Alarm clock?!? by El · · Score: 2, Funny

    1) I'm never likely to wake up "perky"!

    2) I don't need an alarm clock to annoy my spouse -- I can do that just fine all by myself!

    3) I've never actually used an alarm clock. I tell myself what time it is and what time I want to get up just before I go to sleep, then I wake myself up at the optimal point in my sleep cycle. Only problem with this is I tend to wake myself up too early!

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  14. Hear^2! by interactive_civilian · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I completely agree. Or, even as a compromise, for those of us who want to be notified of cookies and choose to allow, deny, or allow for session, it would be REALLY nice if the default button was "deny" rather than "allow".

    it is really annoying to have to mouse over to the button that I choose the most often.

    btw, if there is anyway to change this behavior short of recompiling, I would love to know how. :D

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  15. Cookie Madness by shirai · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm probably not the first one who's thought of this but it seems to me that cookie abuse could be reduced dramatically without affecting most websites by doing the following:

    "Disable cookies on all images that are being pulled from another domain."

    That is, if a web page grabs an image from another domain (a banner, pixel, etc.) then pull it but don't send any of the cookie information for that image.

    I mean isn't that the way that most developers track access across websites? You put a one-pixel image and set the cookie through there. Then by reading the http_refer, you know where they've been and associate it to a single user. To track across sites though, this pixel is usually on a separate domain than the site being accessed.

    By the way, I originally thought to disable cookies on all images but realized some servers may do security checking via cookies before sending an image. But there is very little legitimate use for sending cookies on images that are outside the domain.

    Also, the same could be said of ANYTHING that is pulled off a different domain including scripts, css, etc. If it is on the same domain, send the cookies. If not, then make the request but don't send the cookies.

    I would say precious few sites would depend on this behavior and it shouldn't break anything except for the tracking (which we want to break). Not saying that a site couldn't be made to break on this but I can't think of many reasons why a site would.

    By the way, I think cookies are great for the most part. SlashDot uses them, I use them, anything with a login (mostly) uses them. I find it humorous when people insist that cookies are evil and you shouldn't have a single one. You can just as easily fake a cookie for a session by sticking an ID in the URL which, personally, I think is worse. Now your personally identifying tracker is available for all to see.

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    1. Re:Cookie Madness by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      actually, I dislike cookies as session identifiers, as it limits you to one session per browser.
      A session key in the url allows you to log in multiple times, and possibly as multiple users.

      It's not something that you need to do every day - but when you're trying to set up something like a CMS with varying levels of access control, it becomes a pain in the neck to either have to keep logging in and out to verify the way it looks to different users, or have IE, Opera, Mozilla and Firefox all open at once.

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  16. Best. Alarm Clock. Ever! by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Clocky is a clock for people who have trouble getting out of bed. When the snooze bar is pressed, Clocky rolls off the table and finds a hiding spot, a new one every day.

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    1. Re:Best. Alarm Clock. Ever! by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2
      When the snooze bar is pressed, Clocky rolls off the table and finds a hiding spot, a new one every day.

      I really don't get the idea behind that. When I need to get up, I set a second alarm on the other side of the room (these days it's "at x:yyam\n xmms -p" on the command line, but same idea). I have to get up to turn it off, regardless of whether it "hides" or not.

      First one wakes me up, I turn it off and snooze for ten, second one fires off and I have to get up to turn it off. Very simple.

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    2. Re:Best. Alarm Clock. Ever! by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Informative

      xmms has a plugin for this, called "Alarm." It might be easier for you to set the alarm once for the whole week (different times for each day...)

  17. Is it just me... by jptechnical · · Score: 2, Funny

    or does this guy look alot like the south park creator? - http://www.axonlabs.com/images/ben-whiteboard.jpg

    Personally, I don't want anything attached to my head while sleeping that was built by this buncha goobers. - http://www.axonlabs.com/images/group-daniel.jpg

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  18. You don't need to bookmark the Macromedia page... by eco2geek · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...referenced above, and in the previous YRO article, to set your privacy preferences, or use a Firefox extension. All you have to do is right-click on a Flash object in a web page to bring up a context menu, and choose "Settings..." (although one wonders if this could be disabled at the Flash object author's choosing).

    (Actually, I find it more disturbing that a Flash object in a web page could access a local webcam or microphone. Has anyone seen this capability in use?)

    Thanks to "bigtallmofo" for bringing this to our attention in the previous YRO article. Who knew?

  19. Alarm clocks by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Informative


    This may beat the 90-minute rule.

    Sleep cycles are about 90 minutes long, so setting the alarm at a 90-minute interval from when you fall asleep will make it more likely that you'll wake up on the high side of sleep, and more likely that you'll feel refreshed. The rule fails if something disturbs your sleep pattern, though, which is where this device (if it exists) would be better.

  20. Kind of like iron . . . by SEE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To see anybody associated with Debian quoting "release early and often".

  21. Sarge and Ubantu comparison by jesterzog · · Score: 2

    I asked this in the earlier Debian/Ubantu article but I think I was a bit late for it to be seen, so I'll try again.

    Is there much of a reason to actually switch from Sarge to Ubantu? Right now I'm running a workstation and a laptop on Sarge. It seems to work very nicely, and it's very up-to-date because I keep it up to date with the Sarge repository, which with the occasional exception (eg. still waiting for x.org), is about as up-to-date as most other distros.

    I was quite surprised to see the total bashing of Debian in the earlier article in favour of Ubantu. Complaining about Debain and its slow official releases might be justified for everyone who needs official support, but the only advantages I was really able to discern from people's posts was that the installer is apparently a lot nicer, and that it has official releases more often.

    In my case at least, the installer isn't an issue. I already have Sarge installed and configured and it works very well. As a home user running it on my desktop, I'm also not too concerned about the official-ness of the distribution. Although "official support" doesn't yet exist for Sarge, there's stacks of unofficial support out there, whether it comes from the community in general or the Debian maintainers who are looking to keep their packages working.

    I'm really just interested if it's worth me bothering to nuke Sarge to try out Ubantu. Is there anything other than its regular official releases and and an installer that makes it worth switching?

    1. Re:Sarge and Ubantu comparison by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 2, Informative
      A couple things:

      Xorg (I bought an NVIDIA card just to use its new features). Fading and transparacy is awesome.

      Much better art.

      Community

      Newer version of GTKPod.

  22. Flash bypassing cookie protections by mckyj57 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Objection 0.1 adds a 'Local Shared Objects' line to Firefox's Options > Privacy panel, allowing you to delete them as easily as you'd delete cookies. It's still pretty rudimentary - all or nothing deletion, working on Windows only - but Slashdotters are more than welcome to improve it. Since Local Shared Objects have the same functionality as cookies, we need the same amount of control over them as we do over cookies - and built into the browser, not tucked away in some obscure Macromedia page."


    I find it easier just to use the Flashblock extension. In the (very rare) event I need to run a Flash display, I just click the play button.