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Firefox 1.0.3 and Mozilla Suite 1.7 Released

ESqVIP writes "Not long after Firefox 1.0.2 is out, there's a new public release. Just like the other 1.0.x releases, this is mostly a security fix. The release should hold for a few more days and we could also get bug 171349 (wrong icon displayed on Win9x) fixed. Mozilla Suite, on the other hand, has quite significant changes, some of them "imported" from Firefox. As announced before, this might be the Suite's last major release from the Mozilla Foundation."

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  1. A good sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The great thing about open source is that security flaws are found and rapidly fixed.

    We all know people who argue that the large number of Firefox security fixes is bad -- but in fact, it is the mark of healthy and vibrant software.

    1. Re:A good sign by BackInIraq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With regards to security fixes, there is an additional stipulation: large numbers of security fixes are the mark of healthy and vibrant software if and only if they come out before hordes of machines running your software are converted into zombie boxes spewing spam, DOS attacks, etc. across the internet.

      So Microsoft still loses. :)

  2. D'OH by ReverendRyan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if the update system would just not require a reinstall.

    Most of the people I've converted aren't great at installing software, no matter how simple it may be.

  3. hold for a few more days? by croddy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The release should hold for a few more days and we could also get bug 171349 (wrong icon displayed on Win9x) fixed

    oh? I wasn't aware Win9x was worth supporting anymore... you *must* be trolling. I'd much rather have a security fix now than to wait for some ridiculous cosmetic bug on a 3rd-tier platform.

    1. Re:hold for a few more days? by shish · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I wasn't aware Win9x was worth supporting anymore

      Maybe not any more, but the bug was reported 2 years ago; I doubt the mozilla foundation would like a joke along the lines of "how do you fix a mozilla bug? Wait until the platform is obsolete, then ignore it!"...

      I've been following that bug personally, and I'm still confused as to how it could take 2 years to fix, and why they didn't use the hackaround in the meantime; for a 1.0 app to not have an icon is very embarrasing, and kept making me think the installer was corrupt :/

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  4. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by croddy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    since Firefox does not have any code related to hibernation or PDF rendering, it is obvious that external applications or OS subsystems are responsible for the problems you're experiencing.

  5. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "since Firefox does not have any code related to hibernation or PDF rendering, it is obvious that external applications or OS subsystems are responsible for the problems you're experiencing."

    If IE works and FireFox doesn't, then it's obvious that something could (and should) be done on FireFox's end to fix it.

    Lord knows, MS ain't gonna do it.

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  6. What They need to Update by earthstar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What they really need to update is the Update component of Firefox itself!

    For heaven sake,Dont make users download the whole package everytime!Thats a real Inconvenience for all, and its a burden for dial up users to download a 5 MB file that takes anywhere b/w 30 min and a hour .

  7. My only request by Mancat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please fix memory leaks. Firefox seems to allocate more and more memory over time, even when not in use. It will start off with around a 10MB footprint, and will eventually grow to almost 50MB, even with the memory cache disabled. This behavior shows up in Windows, Linux, Solaris, and NetBSD.

    No, I have not submitted a bug report, though I probably will. I've always figured that this was some minor leak that would be fixed "just around the corner," but its looking to be more and more unlikely.

    Thanks.

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  8. Re:Open Source has Security Flaws? by TelJanin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, OSS has security flaws. The difference is that they are fixed.

  9. useability by some_god · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish someone would port the ability to open bookmarks in tabs to mozilla, like it is done in firefox, that and the firefox search bar is the only thing that keeps me on firefox.

    Yes i am aware of sevral plugins that will do this, but they are all crap and/or does so much id have to spend a lifetime going trough options just to get it back to a good state (im looking at you multizilla and Tabbrowser Extensions).

    Mozilla starts up in around 1 second on my computer (2.7 p4 running debian) and firefox starts up in around that time or slower.
    mozilla is more stable and i can keep it open for weeks at a time while firefox starts sucking up memory like a whore in a bank managers convention in only a day or two.

    I still use mozilla for mail, why? because it starts as fast as thunderbird or faster and feels smoother so why bother?

  10. Re:Open Source has Security Flaws? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try "When OSS software has security flaws" .. they get made public, and they get fixed, usually very quickly.

    When closed software has security flaws, for a few months only the blackhats know about them, and write worms and trojans and so forth to abuse them. Somewhere in there some corporate flunky somewhere might find out about it, some red tape later some programmers might get assigned to work on it. Then the rest of the world finds out about it when the closed vendor releases a huge binary 'patch' that fixes that bug, but creates a dozen others.

  11. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by onosendai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a simple fact about software development, bugs are guaranteed, especially on a projects as complex as Mozilla, heightened by the multi-platform delivery platform that's expected of Mozilla & Gecko.

    Given that, imho, it's much better to see many bug fix releases in a vibrant and alert software project rather than minor patches every year and major releases years apart.

    'Being less buggy' isn't the measurement here, identifying and resolving the bugs is. I know it's a half full/half empty argument, but software testing should never be approached with the 'be less buggy' attitude, it should always be approached with the 'find the bugs' attitude.

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  12. For Version 1.0.4 PLEASE by taxevader · · Score: 5, Insightful

    please please please dont let the URL disappear if the page times out.. its frustrating enough opening 10 pages to have 8 of them load. but for the 2 that didnt load to not even be reloadable due to a totally blank URL line is just unforgivable!!

    please fix this bug ASAP!! /end of rant

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  13. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by Mant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All software has bugs, with something like a browser that is a potential vector for viruses, malware and the like the important thing is how quickly they are fixed.

    So far the Mozilla seems to be getting stuff fixed pretty quickly.

  14. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by madscientist003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the number of updates that either browser releases that determines how "buggy" it is. In fact, I might be happy seeing a release per day from each of them, because then you know that each is being developed continuously, and the browser you are using today is quite likely improved relative to the one you were using yesterday.

    What is much more scary than having frequent product updates is having no updates at all. Just ignoring bugs because they're easier to ignore than fix. I'm not sure why the mindset of some folks is that if an upgrade is being released the program must be garbage. People do not complain about the security (or lack thereof) of Windows because of the number or frequency of updates being made available on the Microsoft website. It's the bugs that aren't being fixed that are the problem.

  15. Re:1.7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    unless we keep you awake...

  16. Re:How does this stack up to IE? by shokk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you point me to where in the NYT advertisement this was mentioned? Because front and center on the second page it said

    "I was tired of my browser crashing every day so I tried Firefox."

    By this philosophy a lot of us should be going back to IE. I call bullshit on "vibrant and alert" - that's just contentless filler. We've seen plenty of patches and no centralized way to manage the browsers in a non-home environment.

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  17. Re:damn.. have to download it again !?!? by cowsandmilk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm running Firefox 1.03 with IEView working just fine. I don't know what you're talking about.

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  18. You're Right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    IE has worse problems. Thanks for pointing that out.