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TrekUnited Campaign Ends

ForteMaster writes "TrekUnited, the controversial campaign to save Enterprise from cancellation, has ended its campaign today. Interestingly enough, the article mentions that "a multiple of the money raised by TrekUnited so far" was being offered, with "further details to be released shortly". A case of counting the chickens before they've hatched, maybe? Here is some commentary from TrekToday on the subject."

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  1. Sad by elid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the article doesn't explain why Paramount turned down the Canada offer. That would seem to make the most sense, as the Trek fan fund itself wouldn't have been able to actually fund a season, while an actual production company would.

    1. Re:Sad by toolz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess that's an easy one.

      If Paramount were to accept the Canada offer, it would have, for the first time, let someone other than Paramount produce a ST product. What if it turned out to be a success? Can you imagine the finger pointing at the current ST overlords?

      ST is a valuable Paramount property. No way anyone is going to get his grubby fingers on that! :)

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    2. Re:Sad by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Outsourcing such a key series would constrain the keepers of Star Trek canon.
      hahahaha, lol, OMG, snif.
      Oh, man. That was the best laugh in days.

      Well, actually not. With the way it has been going lately.
      Continuity is a huge problem. And fans are very sensitive of canon.
      One or two writers who get paid, regardless if they uphold canon. Or a bunch of bloodthirsty, dressed up klingon/Borg/Ferengi, trekkies debating over the slightest intonation of a character.
      Now, who would hold up canon more...

  2. Berman and Braga by George+Tirebuyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These two should have been cancelled. A while back.

  3. It's a shame by nightsweat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was starting to enjoy the series. The last year and a half they got their act together and the show was as good as any of the others.

    I'm sure some people here will now question my sanity, but for every Borg in TNG, there was an episode featuring Troy and her mother doing something stupid.

    Enterprise was pretty good, heading towards borderline great. It's too bad they killed it. It's going to be tough to bring the franchise back credibly.

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    1. Re:It's a shame by Dionysus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, with Manny Coto (who was responsible for this season) leaving for 24, it was probably a good idea to end it now. Unless you wanted a repeat of the two first seasons of Enterprise. And that's what you would have gotten, with Berman and Bragga in charge. Can you say, Temporal Cold War?

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  4. Good! by decipher_saint · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any movement that justifies the current state of Trek should fail.

    Ok, flamethrower off...

    Star Trek is like a burnt out rocker, it's been on the road for years, it's out of creative juice, it's just going through the motions. I say, let Trek rest up a few years, you know, like get some new material and come back stronger than ever!

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    1. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding?! Star Trek isn't just the Federation -- it's an entire universe! So try these setting premises on for size:

      * Space pirate ship
      * Klingon ship

      Even if you're stuck on the Federation, there's no way to go wrong with Nimoy directing a Captain Sulu based show.

      Star Trek has been pinned down and raped by bad writing, bad casting and bad direction for far too long. Universal needs to give the franchise a five to ten year hiatus then bring it back with some people in charge who don't suck and actually give a fuck about something besides the numbers on their paychecks.

  5. It's about time by WD_40 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's time for Star Trek to die. IMO, the last really good series was TNG, although DS9 got pretty good at the end. The whole thing is way too runout and it all lacks originality.

    Another thing that pisses me off is the pussified political correctness. In the old days they didn't "target the weapons array", they freakin' took care of business.

    It's time for Star Trek to die for awhile and hopefully come back in a decade or two a reborn entity that is worth watching.

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  6. www.m-w.com by AnonymousKev · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "TrekUnited, the controversial campaign to save Enterprise from cancellation, ...

    Was it really controversial? Unconventional, maybe, but not controversial.

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  7. Save Enterprise? No. by dbolger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I watched the first episode of the new season of Enterprise, "Storm Front" last night. I'm sorry, guys, but I can't keep this up any more. Let me set out my stall, before I begin. I have devoted large amounts of time, energy, and interest to Star Trek over the years. In school, it was probably one of the things that people used to define me - hell, it was my number one interest, so there was undoubtedly a good reason for that. I have, as long as I can remember, been a Trekkie. As soon as I saw "Encounter at Farpoint", I was hooked. I went on to watch every single episode of The Next Generation, and with very few exceptions, I loved it all. I went out of my way to find and watch every episode of the original series, being honestly excited when the pilot, "The Cage" was aired on BBC, and I couldn't believe how deep and powerful the stories were. I owned, in one format or another, all the films up to "The Undiscovered Country", and stuck with Deep Space Nine through what I considered a bad start, to the very end where it became the best Star Trek I'd seen. I bought action figures. I bought t-shirts. I bought numerous books. I bought the "Star Trek Factfiles" until Eason's stopped stocking them. Even when it came to Voyager, where I saw more bad episodes than good, I stuck with it. I watched. I hoped. I've seen all the new films, even though I've seen their quality slide since "Generations". I am not a "fairweather fan".

    When I first heard about "Enterprise", I was really looking forward to it. A show set before the original series? Fantastic! We would see wars with the Klingons and Romulans! We would see how Earth and Vulcan came together, and the birth of the Federation! Surely it would be amazing! I looked at the crew they were giving us, and was impressed. There was so much potential. I thought that this would be the series that brought Star Trek back from the ridiculous "time travel saves the day" plots of Voyager, and returned it to its roots. But I was wrong. From the outset, my hopes were trampled on. From the very first episode, "Broken Bow", I saw time travel, the "temporal cold war", the complete ignoring of even the most basic points of the Star Trek timeline - poor and insulting plots which must be seen cliché by even the most blinkered science fiction fan. And yet still, I kept watching. Deep Space Nine, I reasoned, was weak to begin with too - it took a few seasons to get into its strike, but turned out to be amazing. So after two seasons, I found myself still sitting in front of my television, hoping against hope and reason that Enterprise would be redeemed, but I was, once again, disappointed. No redemption came. Season three came to a close with the plot still tied up with the Xindi and the temporal cold war - threads which began in the very first episode, and if the producers had any sense, would have been cut there and then. There has been no real development, no dealing with serious social issues, nothing at all of what made Star Trek great. The season ended, and I was left feeling cold and unemotive.

    From America, then, I heard that a fourth season had been promised, and soon afterwards, I read that Enterprise had been cancelled and would not receive a fifth. Quite frankly, I was relieved. Not only was this series not good Star Trek, it was bad to such a level that it was tainting the other series' which bore the name. Of course, then there came the protests. Obsessive fans - not of Enterprise, I believe, but of Star Trek, protesting against the cancellation, and fundraising to have Paramount produce another season. Why did they do this? I do not believe these people love Enterprise. Hell, if they did, then they wouldn't be obsessive Star Trek fans, because to love Enterprise is to love the complete antithesis of what Trek should be. I believe these people were protesting because they were afraid - afraid of not having a Star Trek on television with which to centre their lives, afraid of being forced to think for themselves, and made to find a new focus that wasn't based aroun

    1. Re:Save Enterprise? No. by QangMartoq · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Right now, I believe that is the only thing that can rescue what is left of the show's core, and that is, despite all the hurt, something I still want to do. "Save Enterprise"? No. To hell with Enterprise. Save Star Trek."

      dbolger, if I had mod points right now, you'd have them!

    2. Re:Save Enterprise? No. by David+Horn · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't watch Star Trek for the "serious social issues."

      I watch it for the spaceships. And Seven of Nine.

      There was one Enterprise episode, however, that did leave a marked impression on me, and that was the one with the clone of Trip. It was written and acted perfectly and deserved a better review than it got.

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    3. Re:Save Enterprise? No. by barawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I watched the first episode of the new season of Enterprise, "Storm Front" last night.

      The guy in charge of the fourth season of Enterprise (Manny Coto) was asked "Why Nazis?" regarding Storm Front. His response (bitterly)? "You'd have to ask Berman and Braga." Storm Front is the last vestige of the crap that Berman and Braga have been spewing for the first three years.

      Watch the second episode of Storm Front, and you'll see what I mean. Suddenly, all the annoying characters and stupid plotlines that Berman and Braga put forward just vanish in one episode. That was the whole point. Coto had to have the Nazis in there. So he did as little with them as he could - two episodes, and they're gone, and all the crap gone with them.

      The fourth season of Enterprise is much better than the previous seasons. Unfortunately, Paramount (and Berman) had no intention of letting Enterprise run for more seasons anyway, because it was under someone else's control. There's simply no way that Enterprise, on UPN, could've drawn enough viewers to make Paramount realize Berman was an idiot - which, of course, was the point. Berman hands over reigns, says "okay, if you can do a better job, go ahead." ... and then promptly sets the show up to fail miserably.

    4. Re:Save Enterprise? No. by Dunkelzahn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Holy crap. Awesome post. You're already maxxed on mod points, so I will reply instead of mod you up.

      I've been a Trek fan for years. Much like you, I stood by and was loyal to every series, up until season two of Enterprise. Interest was slipping, though honestly it had begun to slip somewhere during Voyager's run. I liked the Hirogen, but they ruined the Borg. In the beginning it looked to me like there was a lot of potential for good storyline about the birth of the Federation, with episodes such as The Andorian Incident and the one that followed it up (I liked Shran), but for every good episode I watched I would see six or more completely ludicrous episodes. There were cheesy episodes in TOS, DS9, and even TNG, but they were the exceptions rather than the rule, for the most part.

      Anyways, I abandoned Enterprise a bit over a year ago. Evil Time Travelling Space Nazis. They should just tack on a "From Hell", make it a B-Movie and be done with it.

      Star Trek was over with First Contact. That was the end.

      At least Star Wars still has one good movie left... and at least Lucas has the wisdom to let Star Wars die (as a movie franchise) after Revenge of the Sith.

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    5. Re:Save Enterprise? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You know what happened to you ?

      You grew up.

    6. Re:Save Enterprise? No. by STrinity · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The guy in charge of the fourth season of Enterprise (Manny Coto) was asked "Why Nazis?" regarding Storm Front. His response (bitterly)? "You'd have to ask Berman and Braga." Storm Front is the last vestige of the crap that Berman and Braga have been spewing for the first three years.

      Casual Viewer: I tried watching Enterprise, but it's just pathetic crap trading on the "Star Trek" name.

      Fanboy: For the first three seasons, maybe. But Season Four r0x0rz!

      Casual Viewer: I just watched the first episode of hte fourth season, and it's just as bad as what came before.

      Fanboy: You saw the bad episode. Trust me, it gets better.

      You know, after a certain point, these excuses wear thin. When more than 75% of a series sucks, it deserves to get canceled.

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  8. Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how the only thing that with all the wrongs in the world that require funding, the only thing that can mobilize some people is a television show.

    Poverty? Government and corporate corruption? Yawn. Just don't takes away my tee-vee, or else we'll take to the streets!

    Sigh.

  9. Health care? Domestic violence? by EvilCabbage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look, it's a shame the show was canned, but does it bother anybody else how many people were prepared to dig very deeply to keep a television show running, when there are some issues out there they could actually put their money to and do some good?

    1. Re:Health care? Domestic violence? by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2, Insightful

      there are some issues out there they could actually put their money to and do some good?

      So, I assume then that you've never, ever, in your life paid for any sort of entertainment?

  10. ...and it didn't matter... by maxzilla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    something tells me that paramount really didn't take the money because all the actors probably had new contracts with other shows. when Enterpize announced this would be the last season I'm sure the actors already had new projects to work on. i'm sure another Star Trek series will kick off eventually, and then people will forget about Enterprize. either that or that $3 mil that they collected could be put towards starting a new series from scratch. either way I dont really care.

  11. Look at Doctor Who by Marillion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If the success of the Doctor Who revival is any indication, sometimes a long running series needs to take a few years off.

    Bring it back when you can assemble a fresh creative team that hasn't burned out from years of doing the same thing over and over.

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  12. Show Quality Is Often Irrelevent by justanyone · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The quality of a TV show is often irrelevent to its cancellation. As best I can tell (based on experience with many beloved shows) it depends on:

    * Buffy, MASH, etc.: Great shows, cancelled because producers and/or actors felt the show had 'run its course'.
    * Wonderfalls, Firefly, Space:Above and Beyond (and HUGE numbers of others): F$*&^$'ing FOX had a political axe to grind and decided that progressive shows (with a Democratic leaning) should be killed and the rights to restart them never released;
    * (Almost Buffy): production costs due to special effects were so high that it almost didn't balance the quite significant Advertising revenue;
    * Ellen: Advertiser pullout due to a controversial actor;
    * 1970's Space:1999: Bad writing, including implausible, inconsistent plotlines, characters that just 'show up', stilted language, etc., will kill a show through bad ratings - people recognize quality, to some degree.
    * Sonny and Cher: Some shows deserve to be killed (grin); Seriously, this was a good show for its time but the TV 'Variety Show' went away with cable because the variety was available on different channels instead of all in the same show.

    Just my 5 cents.
    - Kevin

    1. Re:Show Quality Is Often Irrelevent by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I know, I know, it's pointless to argue with a conspiracy theorist but -- why exactly would Fox put on HUGE numbers of leftist shows* and immediately cancel them for ideological reasons? Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to not put them on in the first place? Isn't it, perhaps, more plausible that they canceled the shows because no one was watching them but you?

      * Never mind whether anything you mentioned is "Democratic leaning", anyway...

  13. Speaking of Bound... by krudler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Was it me or did this episode just blow? Seriously not a flame, I even enjoyed the "fighting the evil alien nazi" episodes. Are they trying to put a bad taste in our mouthes so we won't want the show to be renewed? I wonder if they will fuck up the mirror universe episodes.

  14. It's too bad. by JMZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The last season of Enterprise has been fairly strong. I think a lot of people built up some irrational hatred over the first couple seasons.

    I also think people have clouded memories of the quality of past shows. TNG was horrible for most of its run - just horrible. It redeemed itself now and again, but mostly it sucked (especially early seasons). Voyager was poor. DS9 was ridiculously bad. Remember the final episode? One of the worst things I've ever watched.

    Are some themes played out? Of course, but so what? Sure the "let's clone Tucker" Enterprise episode was a rehash - but they did as good a job at it as Star Trek ever did.

    As to "not addressing social themes" - I'd say they've tried. What do you think the "mind meld disease" was? Who do you think the Xindi represent? What is implied by the Tellarite/Andorion feud?

    Is the social stuff ham-handed? Yes, of course. And it always was, from the original series on - it's just you were younger then.

    Enterprise has all the stuff you once liked about Star Trek. Maybe you don't like that stuff anymore - but it's still a good show.

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  15. Re:Still an impressive effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    What is a better yardstick: a bunch of signatures which may relate to a bunch of eyes watching, or a bunch of money which might relate to a bunch of eyes that contributed a small amount, or more importantly a small number of eyes that contributed large amounts?

    You are essentially arguing that the amount of money contributed to a political campaign is a good indicator of the popularity of the candidate (or issue), when it may just be an indication of a small number of very active special interest groups that do not represent the population in general.

  16. Re:Donations by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    They collected $144,173

    Wow, it's a shame they called it off. With that kind of scratch, they could have funding almost 1/10 an episode.

    -Eric

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