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iMacs Freshened with 2.0 GHz G5, Bluetooth, WiFi

amichalo writes "Apple has updated the popular consumer level Mac, the iMac G5. So better support the now standard Mac OS X Tiger, Apple has made significant improvements to all standard configurations including 512MB RAM, Radeon 9600 128MB graphics, and on 2.0 GHz models (17" and 20"), a slot-loading dual-layer 8x SuperDrive is standard. The 1.8 GHz 17" model includes a slot-loading Combo Drive. Also standard are Apple's AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi and Bluetooth. Pricing remains at $1300, $1500, and $1800 respectively for 1.8 GHz 17", 2.0 GHz 17", and 2.0 GHz 20", though 2.0 GHz models include additional upgraded features. These improvements are significant as this line has not seen a refresh in about a year and the upgrade to a Radeon 9600 graphics card will allow the new iMac to take better advantage of Tiger features such as Core Image, which is significant because the video card cannot be upgraded. Lastly, Apple is continuing the interactive chat and QuickTime support program for the iMac G5."

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  1. game by bosz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does it have that puzzle game with the apple logo? Best game on the mac.

    1. Re:game by henrywood · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Best game on the Mac". Are there others?

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    2. Re:game by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny, but I have both an iMac G5 and a PC. My two kids are always playing games on the PC. But when they do their homework it's on the Mac. One is in college and the other starts in the fall. I have asked both of them what computer do they want for school. They both wanted powerbooks, like mine. I talked to them about games, they said that their playstations are much better at gaming than either the Mac or the PC. So I guess a PC has alot of games, but to do real work it's best to have a Mac.

    3. Re:game by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 4, Funny
      Macs have plenty of games. Check out gameranger.com for a fairly comprehensive list.

      Good start...

      I like computer golf the best

      ...bad finish.

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    4. Re:game by mjpaci · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but can you format a floppy while doing all of that as well?

      I thought not.

      PC's RULE!!!

      (For the youngins: The "format a floppy while..." is one of the arguments used back when Macs had floppies and cooperative multi-tasking and Windows PCs had pre-emptive (to a degree) multi-tasking to prove that PCs were superior.)

    5. Re:game by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, I'm a true ./'r! If you want facts and statistics , I am afraid you are in the wrong place. May I suggest you buy a Mac mini and try it out for yourself. If it's not true for you you can always sell it on ebay.

  2. Any other Mozilla users... by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    my AdBlock doesn't seem to be working correctly. I still see ads on Slashdot.

    Any tips or regexps I can use?

  3. Freshend? by worst_name_ever · · Score: 4, Funny
    iMacs Freshend

    Freshend - is that like Freshmeat for your backend? Uh, wait, on second thought... that's really naughty...

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  4. That's Bluetooth 2.0 by jeffhot · · Score: 5, Informative

    just to clarify.

  5. don't forget the emac by squarefish · · Score: 5, Informative

    they've also update the emac

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    1. Re:don't forget the emac by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking as someone who got an emac last month i must say this , GAHHHH.

      And does anyone have any info on if apple still runs an upgrade program(if it was bought just before a refresh , i think this one was purchased in february or so ) and how long before the refresh would count. I am going to dig around and call apple myself , but any insight would be much apreciated.

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  6. One significant thing about the iMac by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is that it now comes with gigabit ethernet. It basically makes this machine usable in a variety of environments such as graphic arts and rich media where throwing around tons of data is a daily fact of life.

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    1. Re:One significant thing about the iMac by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Given that a 9600 (not even a 9600 pro) is at least a generation behind in terms of graphics chipset, at the bottom of the line for that ATI generation, marketing this as a significantly upgraded video card would be a bit disingenious IMHO.

      Apple may have upgraded the bundled videocard just on the basis of component availability/price point, but I doubt this is a significant selling feature.

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    2. Re:One significant thing about the iMac by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Given that a 9600 (not even a 9600 pro) is at least a generation behind in terms of graphics chipset, at the bottom of the line for that ATI generation, marketing this as a significantly upgraded video card would be a bit disingenious IMHO.

      You mean it's one generation behind the latest, which most people haven't adopted yet. As for bottom of the line, that's simply untrue--what's a Radeon 9200? This card isn't going to play Doom 3, but it's fine for what most computer users will be doing, and it certainly a welcome upgrade over the GeForce 5200 FX.

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    3. Re:One significant thing about the iMac by MagnusDredd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, no...

      This is a marketable point given that the 9600 will take full advantage of Quartz 2D extreme GUI acceleration, whereas the video card below this one will not. So it's a matter of Quartz 2D Extreme support or not. Quartz 2D extreme should make a very large difference in GUI speed, which being a place that OSX has lagged, is a big deal.

    4. Re:One significant thing about the iMac by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do make some valid points about upgrade potential with component based systems compared things like the iMac. I tend to see the iMac as more akin to a laptop than a desktop for this very reason.

      On the other hand, PC hardware changes so rapidly that sometimes an upgrade is practically new system anyway. About a year and a half ago, my 800mhz duron system failed -- cpu fried. I decided I'd use that opportunity to move to an athlon -- this meant a new video card due to incompatability between MB and video card, new ram because old ram wouldn't fit, and a new power supply just to be safe (old one was a 350, I moved up to 500). So by the time I got done, all I had of the "old" computer was the case, burner, and hard drive.

      Anyway, it is also true that if you want to upgrade the video on a PC, you might just have to change out the motherboard as well because of rapidly changing plug shapes, voltage levels, or what have you.

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    5. Re:One significant thing about the iMac by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That is a valid point, but neither you nor your brother-in-law represent the average user. "Normal" people see computers as appliances; they don't know what a video card is or what Quartz 2D Extreme is or anything like that. To them, paying for a new computer that comes in a box and is easy to set up is far preferable to buying and installing a video card. And you can upgrade the memory and hard disk in all Macs.

      Also, as a large number of people have pointed out, the low-end Power Mac now costs exactly the same as a midrange iMac, so you really can make a pure tradeoff between expandability and a free monitor.

  7. Re:Freshend? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Funny

    No no no. It's FreshenD a new daemon that works in conjunction with LaunchD to add a fresh pine scent. It is used in conjunction with the new iSmell software/hardware introduced in the latest iMac.

  8. looks like the end of the PowerMac by jest3r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I missing something or is the PowerMac severely under spec'd and overpriced compared to the new iMac? I mean the iMac even comes with a display. I really wish they would take a look at improving the PowerMacs price / performance. It is sad when the iMac outpowers the PowerMac and comes in at the same price even after the recent PowerMac updates. These are the latest specs from the Apple store:

    iMac $1,499.00
    17-inch widescreen LCD
    2GHz PowerPC G5
    667MHz frontside bus
    512K L2 cache
    512MB DDR400 SDRAM
    160GB Serial ATA hard drive
    Slot-load 8x SuperDrive (double-layer)
    ATI Radeon 9600
    128MB DDR video memory
    56K internal modem

    PowerMac $1,499.00
    1.8GHz PowerPC G5
    600MHz frontside bus
    512K L2 cache
    256MB DDR400 SDRAM
    Expandable to 4GB SDRAM
    80GB Serial ATA
    8x SuperDrive
    Three PCI Slots
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    56K internal modem

    1. Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac by MKalus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Expandability?

      I would agree that the low end Powermac is abit... MMhhh weak, but then the advantage of it is that you can expand it more, another HDD, GFX, more memory.

      So for a "family" the Powermac really isn't the right machine but if you need an entry level Workstation for grafic work I'd say the Powermac is still the way to go.

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    2. Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose that means we'll be seeing updated PowerMacs soon. :)

      Quite unlikely, since they were updated a couple of weeks ago (to the 2.0-2.7 GHz family). The 1.8 single CPU model - the one used by jest3r in his comparison - was introduced last year and it was never the king of performance. It was even slower than the "original" 1.8 GHz PowerMac G5, due to slower bus clock. It's market niche are the customers who don't want to pay the hefty price for the "real" PowerMacs, but they want a modular computer, so iMac/eMac/Macmini is not an option. This model probably will be updated soon, but it will be purposedly crippled not to make it run too good to damage the high-end models sales.

    3. Re:looks like the end of the PowerMac by Cecil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "upgrade" to a mac user means "buy a whole new computer"

      By and large, yes it does.

      But you're not telling the whole story. You left out the part where the mac user sells the old mac on eBay for far less of a discount than you'd need to put on a similarly aged PC. Easily over half the original price, in my experience. Sometimes ends up being as much as 2/3rds the price of a new mac just by selling your old one, depending on how frequently you upgrade.

      Upgrades are for chumps.

  9. Re:Slashdot: Schills for nerds, stuff that matters by andreMA · · Score: 4, Funny
    Schills for nerds, stuff that matters
    I think you meant Schillers for nerds...

    Mods: it's a joke. Phil Schiller is Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. Sad that I had to explain that to (hopefully) avoid being modded "Flamebait"

  10. What about DVI by BibelBiber · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about DVI? Is it now part of the iMac? This is my personal long awaited feature. Without DVI it's only half the fun. A second display is always a good thing.

  11. Low level design flaws? Hold off buying. by am46n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Until today, the eMac G4 could outperform the iMac G5 due to some low level issues, see http://www.macintouch.com/perfpack/comparison.html .

    If it hasn't been fixed, the eMac may still give better bang for buck. If this matters to you then hold off buying until you see an accurate performance comparison.

  12. Re:I see a trend .. by delta_avi_delta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're referring to the clock speeds mentioned, vs the clock speeds of Intel or AMD chips in 2002 (which has, oh, nothing to do with the OS), then I suggest you do some reading as to the actual comparative performance, especially in the graphics processing areas where macs are traditionally strong.

    I'm not a fanboy, but I've never liked the way chips are advertised by clock-speed, it's quite misleading.

  13. Memory Prices (somewhat) improved by alistair · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm very pleased to see they have finally started shipping 512 Mb RAM as standard as this has to be considered the minimum to see OS X in its full glory. The prices to go to 1GB are much better, $125 extra for 1GB using up both DIMMs and $175 for the memory in one stick, leaving you free to buy the additional elsewhere (if you need it on this level machine).

    It leaves me puzzled why they are still shipping 256 Mb on the Power Macs (why, why?). However, this looks like a very sensible feature improvement which should provide the perfect all in one home machine and stop the iMac from having their sales canibalised by Mac Minis at the lower end. Sadly my previous generation iMac, which is now 4 years old, is still running perfectly, especially now it has Tiger, so this may still be a hard sell to buy this year.

    1. Re:Memory Prices (somewhat) improved by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obviously it makes more sense to ship more base RAM in a machine that the average buyer will never open than in the machine that is designed (and priced) to be expanded internally.

      Besides, the RAM thing is always a tightrope for us. Yes, the iMacs need to have more RAM in their base configurations than the Power Macs do because market research tells us that only something like one iMac owner in 10 ever opens his computer, while five out of six Power Macs get upgraded in some way during the first year of ownership. Our iMac customers want more RAM in the Mac, while our Power Mac customers want less RAM in the G5 (because our RAM is naturally more expensive than third-party RAM; it's a volume issue). But at the same time they don't want the iMac to ship with more RAM than the Power Mac because then Power Mac buyers feel ripped off. "This expensive computer only came with 256 MB of RAM! Cheapskates!"

      So it's a tightrope. Bottom line is, no matter how we configure the RAM in our SKUs, a third of our customers are gonna complain about it. And 100% of Slashdotters.

  14. Thats cool by gorrepati · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cool thing about this imac is that the bluetooth, airport extreme and ethernet card are all included in the base price, which was not the case previously.

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  15. Re:I see a trend .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    you misspelled 2007.

  16. Re:Slashdot: Schills for nerds, stuff that matters by ari_j · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mod points are not given to anyone who has ever posted a +5 Funny comment or otherwise made anyone laugh. Only those with absolutely no sense of humor are allowed to moderate comments, around here. (And when I get mod points, it's always when I'm hungry, grumpy, or otherwise unwilling or unable to find anything funny.)

  17. Re:I want this machine headless! by bhima · · Score: 4, Funny

    thatt's called a "Power Mac"

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  18. Re:BULLSHIT by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    someone answer me the question, what exactly do you BUY for $1300 thats actually worth it?? what can you POSSIBLY do that you CANNOT do on a regular PC for $1300 ?? NOTHING.. NOT A FUCKING THING AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

    I paid $2400 for a Powerbook a year ago, and you know what I got that I can't get on any PC?

    I enjoy using a computer again. A bargain.

    i'm tired of fucking dumb ass macs.. i dont care how good they are, i'm not paying $1300 for a Mac that isn't even CLOSE to their higher end models..

    You probably think that the 1000 pc. socket set at Walmart is fantastic. I mean, look how many sockets you get!

    Quality over quantity, sweet teats.

  19. Re:I see a trend .. by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 5, Informative
  20. Must find a way... by DoctorPepper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To break existing 800 MHz iMacs! Those damn things just keep running!!! How is a self-respecting hardware junkie supposed to talk his wife into letting him purchase the latest and greatest from Apple, when they just keep working :-(

    We have two matching 17" LCD, 800 MHz iMacs, purchased in November, 2002. They have run 24x7 since we purchased them, with the exception of the power outages caused by the hurricanes in September of 2004.

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  21. Re:Midplane PSU & Inverter Defect in iMac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Keep in mind that there are only so many parts in the iMac G5 - you can basically break it down to: SATA drives, PSU, Midplane, Inverter, Display (+ memory). Things that are separate parts in many machines but not the iMac G5: video card, speakers, bluetooth, antennae, modem, fan(s), cables, and sometimes even the processor(s) and ports.

    Considering that drive and LCD failures are unlikely to be heavily seen in any computer's first 6 months on the market, it's not surprising that most of the failures we hear about are the Midplane or PSU. PSU is an easy one - "won't power on/won't stay on." Inverter typically presents itself as a "no backlight" issue. That leaves a laundry list of problems that all reside on the midplane: Fans stop spinning, unit overheats. Fans spin too fast constantly, too loud. No AirPort signal. Bluetooth not recognized. Video scrambled. Ethernet port not working. Memory not recognized. Kernel panics on startup. Bad FireWire port. No sound. ALL of these require replacing the midplane.

    My point? Not all iMac midplane failures are equal, and unless they are all failing for the same reason at the same point, there is no larger issue. Apple simply chose to put "the whole computer" on the midplane, so yes it gets replaced more frequently than many other parts (there are hardly any other parts to replace!), however from a customer service standpoint it makes repairing your own computer a heck of a lot easier. There are really only so many parts to go bad in an iMac, and surprise, a few of them have. Also realize that this computer has been flying off the shelves since day 1, so there's going to be a larger number of reports than usual. Add to this people who were shipped a PSU to replace and really needed a midplane, or vice versa, but consider the problem a 'dual failure' because both parts ended up being replaced (I've seen this case a lot online). This was a failure on Apple's support end to accurately identify the problem, but nonetheless does not constitute a dual-failure epidemic. The iBook G3 logic board recall, on the other hand, represents a specific widespread failure that manifests itself in the exact same way every time.

    Sorry to go on a bit of a tirade, but I really feel that - like with the iPod 'battery issue' - the majority of iMac owners are happily enjoying their purchases and the fact that anyone with a sad story and no technical knowledge can post to a website really tends to have a run-away effect in the Mac community. It would be nice to see more people address these failures with some consideration for how the thing is built.

  22. Re:A Prediction: by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His comments don't really display much in the way of "insider" knowledge, but they are usually factual, so he gets modded up as "Informative" a lot, which is the way moderation is supposed to work.

    I don't think he's an Apple guy of much significance. For all we know he works the "genius bar" at a really, really slow Apple Store somewhere, and surfs slashdot to kill time... if he works for Apple at all.

    Whatever the case is, he can claim to be whoever he likes. It doesn't matter. What matters is that his comments tend to contribute to the discussion, while your comment is just whining flame-baiting.

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  23. Re:Maybe they will upgrade the capacitors? by bpbond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The plural of "anecdote" is not "data," as they say.

    The problem with generalizing from your woes--as much as I'm sure they've sucked--is that Apple consistently is very highly ranked in customer satisfaction surveys (though I don't have a link for this). Unless you have some data to back up your anecdote, I'm going to stick with my personal experience: Apple makes really good machines, typically much higher quality than Dell et al., and supports them well.

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  24. Pine scent?! by protein+folder · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, how bourgeois! This is an Apple Macintosh! The FreshenD feature would never be used to exude a smell of something so crass as pine! Macintosh users expect and demand more, and the FreshenD daemon delivers--a light, ethereal scent with notes of jasmine and citrus, evoking memories of a mountain lake after a spring rainfall.

    Maybe you're thinking of Microsoft's SmellMe feature (which is rumored to be included with Longhorn). It's a shame--they throw all this money at this cool new feature, but it winds up smelling like a freshly cleaned toilet.

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    1. Re:Pine scent?! by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah! Proprietary smell technology... On Gentoo linux you just

      emerge --odor
      and you get the freedom of open source smell technology. Granted, it makes compilation smell like burnt cooling fan, but it's open source, man!

      I hear that the GNU/Aroma will be far superior when it's finished. I wonder what Hurd will smell like then.

  25. Scientists are also ... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... in the habit of signing their name to their words, at least he had the guts to do that.

    But lets not dwell on the snide tone of your comment. Have you ever tried to get work done on a Mac vs. Windows/Linux PC? I have done serious work all three and I rate the OS.X as first (and it took a major step forward with Spotlight), Linux comes in as a quite close second (largely because it is a bit chaotic and less polished than OS.X) and Windows comes in at a distant third and it's saving grace is mostly the fact that it has a larger and more varied flora of applications than the former two.

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  26. If you don't care... by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... then why are you posting about how much you hate them?

    I think the answer is that you *do* care, and being a PC fanboy, you hate the fact that Apple are making real strides and doing things that Microsoft can't seem to (like stick to their OS schedules).

    Realistically, this doesn't impact you in any way whatsoever, as you've got your PC, and you're probably happy with what you paid for it.

    So why do you hate the concept of the Mac so much?

    Is it because you hate anything *different*?

    Is it because it threatens to invalidate your choices?

    Face yourself - you care, and the proof of that is in your post. You're coming across as someone who's upset about something that really shouldn't affect you.

    Oh - to your 'point'... I'll go out on a limb and say that most Slashdot readers know about technology - where it's been, where it is now and some vague idea of where it's going next. Most people are reasonably well educated around here. They're capable of making their own choices, and they're capable of making informed choices.

    Apple are gaining a lot of mindshare around here because they're doing a lot of things right. OS X is the best OS out there, and is actually innovating. People can read the source code for Darwin if they like, and contribute to it if they want to. Macs are easier to use than ever, and people like that.

    What can we do on our Macs that you can't on your PC? We can forget the computer and use the things as the tools they are. I don't have to screw around on my iBook to get things working, or to maintain the system integrity. The OS takes care of that for me. I don't have to worry about it. I can get on and just use the apps to get stuff done.

    I've used computers since 1981 (when I was 10), and I've seen pretty much everything that's happened in the industry. I've used Windows since 3.1, and before that DOS, CP/M, Amiga-OS and others. I know what I'm talking about. In my view, OS X is the current pinnacle of operating systems. People are noticing it, and people are buying Macs.

    If you don't like it, you'll have to learn to live with it.