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Finding Sponsors for an Open Source Project?

vertigo72 asks: "What's the best way to find sponsors for an open source project? Is there some people or foundations that give grants for the development of free software? We develop an open source (GPL) box office software: phpMyTicket. At our knowledge at the moment this is the only open source software of this kind. The program is in advanced beta stage and was already used in production environment by us and by other people. The program is rather complex and big: we support online ticket shop, box office with thermal printer and control at doors with barcode scanner. Smarty, PDF and email template engines are used. Paypal and some other gateways are supported. Now we want to continue and to add more professional features, but alas this requires more funding." "We tried to finance our development ourselves, but that didn't work. We tried support, installation and customization, and also a commercial license, but there are just not enough requests. We also had few donations (to the tune of around $50) via Sourceforge. Now, we searching for alternative solutions like sponsoring. Is there someone out there who can help us to keep the software free?"

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  1. Hmm... by samtihen · · Score: 5, Funny

    [Obvious] Oh, well the best way to get funding would probably be to get information about your project posted on a high traffic, open source friendly discussion forum. Yea, I'd probably do that first...

  2. Theaters by TildeMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have you tried asking the national theater chains themselves? If you can convince them that this is something that will greatly benefit them and all their branches, they could very well be your best sponsors.

    1. Re:Theaters by nizo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe you could approach some independant theaters and such and see what they are using for software? Anyone big or little who is getting sucked dry by expensive software companies is bound to be interested. I have no idea how much companies pay for this type of software, but I do know there are plenty of other companies in other areas (*cough* Mentor Graphics/Cadence/Synopsis *cough*) who are vampires in need of some competition.

  3. you could always try... by soupdevil · · Score: 3, Funny

    begging for dollars on Slashdot... in other words, Congratulations! Your funds will be arriving shortly, I'm sure.

  4. Why, why, why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If someone can buy a thermal printer, hosting, and a barcode scanner, not to mention venue, why can't they pay for their ticket-selling software?

    "Hey, can you help me find someone who will give us money to give free help to people charging admission to shows?"

    WHY?

    1. Re:Why, why, why? by cduffy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Hey, can you help me find someone who will give us money to give free help to people charging admission to shows?"

      Running a movie theatre is a low-margin business -- typically one loses money on the tickets and needs to make it up elsewhere (concession stand, ads, etc). If one can get the software to run the business (ie. by paying an open source project to add the features needed to make it adequate for one's needs) for less than the cost of comparable commercial solutions -- well, then you're ahead.

      It makes sense, then, that someone with a vested interest in not giving money to the commercial vendors of such software will find such a project as this interesting, and potentially a worthy recipient of (some level of) funding. Ideally, you'd want to target folks who are heavily hit by the pricing model of the commercial competitors -- say, those who own a number of theatres, or those whose theatres have multiple entrances or ticket booths if that's how the commercial software is priced -- or those who need features the commercial competitors don't currently provide.

  5. Use fundable by alien88 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you know of a group of people who are interested in a feature, try using http://www.fundable.org/ to create a group action.

    EG: You have 5 people interested, each person contributes $100, when all 5 people contribute the $100 then the money is unlocked and you can use that to finance the development of the feature.

  6. what's the commercial solution by pointyhairedmba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll go ahead and ask the MBA question. What's the competing commercial product? How much does it cost per year? How much will a theater chain save with your solution? Quantiffy those answers into a simple NPV model and pitch it to execs at theater chains.

  7. Dot Com Bubble by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do what they did back in the good ol' days of the dot com bubble: Come up with an idea that nobody wants, needs, or cares about. Then, create a corporation that has no assets. Write a press release about your product, which doesn't exist yet. Be sure to include a wide variety of terms from the IT bullshit generator. Supposing your company is called Inventri, your press release might begin, "Inventri today announced plans to begin development of its new software product, codenamed Widehorn." Be sure to include plenty of meaningless phrases, such as, "By leveraging innovative technologies, content providers streamline compelling enterprise solutions." Make sure the bullshit-o-meter explodes. Describe, in colorful terms, how your company provides "solutions," but do not specify what kind of solutions or what they're for. Make sure this is printed on nice glossy paper with lots of whitespace and a variety of high-tech-looking colors. PHBs and other stupid people (hereinafter simply called "management") drool over this kind of crap. Then, a bunch of venture capitalists (hereinafter "rich idiots") will come along and dump millions of dollars on you, hoping to become the next Gill Bates. All you have to do at that point is take the money, buy a fancy office building, fill it with fancy mahogany office furniture, buy all the supplies, like post-it notes, kleenex boxes, refillable pens, and other such stuff, and then hire a bunch of MCSEs, pay them $200,000 a year, and buy a BMW for everyone, including yourself. Make sure your business practices are innovative, such as allowing nerf toys to be used at work, buying lunch for employees every friday, and providing all employees with a paid subscription to Slashdot. When them money runs out and no code has been written, simply close the company and start from the beginning. It's that simple!

  8. Business Plan? by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I'm wondering, is, in your business plan, where did you suggest or think that the money was going to come from, and what happened to that revenue stream?

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    1. Re:Business Plan? by Reverend528 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, ther were going to do the whole thing as a hobby, but then that particular myth was debunked, so now they need to find a source of revenue.

  9. Sounds to me like a dead end... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "(...) Now we want to continue and to add more professional features, but alas this requires more funding. (...) Now, we searching for alternative solutions like sponsoring. Is there someone out there who can help us to keep the software free?"

    ...there's no commercial value in the project, but you still want to add features just for the hell of it? That's cool, but don't expect to get paid for it. What's the future of the project if you do not recieve funding? Abandon it so others can pick it up if they want to? Close the source (assuming you have all the copyrights)?

    I'm sorry, but if you're looking to get paid for it, you need a project someone is willing to pay *for*. If there was such a sponsoring foundation, I would suggest they use it to replace some central software many people use, like IE/Outlook/Office/Photoshop etc. I would consider spending it on such a niche system like tickets to be a very strange choice.

    Kjella

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  10. Additional word to use: by DogDude · · Score: 4, Funny

    Although your description was excellent, I feel that it could be beefed up a bit by using the word "synergy" a few times. I've found that companies tend to get an additional 10% venture capital for each time the word "synergy" is used in their mission statement/press release.

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  11. Re:We really don't care for php applications by joeldg · · Score: 4, Informative

    am a python programmer here, but at work we use php, and can tell you from experience writing some monster sites, that php if done right, is just fine for high-end apps. usually your database is the bottleneck, not php.
    python is great, but I really prefer php in it's natural environment, alongside apache.

  12. Why by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ask yourself, why should you get the money over another OSS project? Who will benefit from your work, who will want to use it? Why should they pay you to do it?

    Work out who, when and why. Then focus on the "data" you pick up. Ring round and ask what the companies themselvs "want" from software and get it done ASAP so you can go "oh yes we have that, we're looking for funding and will offer support to anyone who donates x amount of money (say $500, it's nothing to a company) for 6 months. After that we're unsure of what we'll charge but it's unlikely to be much more. But obviously discounts for any who supported us in the early days".

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  13. Re:We really don't care for php applications by uss_valiant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    take a look at the source code of Gallery 2 http://gallery.sf.net/ read the coding guidelines, patterns etc. and then come back and report if you'd still say that it's php and not the coder that is the origin of all these php prejudices.

    there are other reasons why most php scripts end up being spaghetti code.

  14. Dual licensing? by tomRakewell · · Score: 3, Informative

    I own a business, and I love open source software. It has been very useful to me.

    I have also spent the past two years developing an application to run my retail/mail order business. I have been able to phase out my proprietary ERP software, and I have asked myself... "should I open source this project?"

    Unfortunately, I can't think of a rational reason to do so. Open sourcing the project would allow it to develop faster. But it would also remove my competitive advantage -- it would be like giving my competitors a well-tuned piece of software to make running their business easier.

    I've spent an enormous amount of time trying to think of *rational* reasons to open source the project. I'd love the thought of waking up in the morning and reviewing patch submissions from dozens of competent programmers around the world. But wouldn't it be better to, um, hire some programmers to work on the project, and then sell licenses to use it?

    It would be better *for society* if the project were open sourced. It would be better *for me* if the project were proprietary.

    What kind of business model can you have that allows you to make a living off of writing open source software?

    You can "sell support." If you open source a project, and it is successful, then you (the developer and creator of the project) would be undoubtedly the world's number one expert on this software. Businesses wishing to deploy this software would be willing to pay YOU the developer to help install this software. When they had a problem, they would call YOU the developer to fix it. You can charge them nice hourly rates for your consulting.

    But a lot of businesses don't trust the open source software model, and I still think you'd be better off if you sold them licenses to use the software *and* sold them support.

    If you have a client-server architecture, maybe you could open source one half of the project. Consider open sourcing the server portion of an ERP system. If the project were successful, you would have a huge head start over all your competitors in providing a properietary, for-profit client. But you would need to be specialists in human interface development.

    Maybe you could do the reverse, and open source the client. Unlike the Microsoft model, provide a server with a very well-known public API so anyone can develop a client. Provide your client "free-of-charge" under an open source license. Submit a bunch of press releases about how your company is exploiting open source software.

    Unfortunately, then you have reduced open source to nothing more than a publicity stunt.

    I *hate* to say it, but the best way to really move a project like this forward might be to *close* source the project. You can certainly lowball the competition if you want, but for a mission-critical business application like this, what is really the advantage of open source? A company that earns a profit on the innovation is probably the best model for providing funding for this project.

    If you want to do the socially responsible thing AND make a profit, maybe you could investigate dual-licensing. Not-for-profit arts organizations could use your software under a GPL license (and I bet there are TONS of them that would take you up on this). If a commercial for-profit MOVIE THEATER wanted to use your software, on its merits, then sell them a license. You might get the best of both worlds -- essentially for-profit businesses would be subsidizing not-for-profits. AND your developers could earn a living.

  15. add more professional features? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Now we want to continue and to add more professional features, but alas this requires more funding.
    So try to act professional maybe? Calling your program phpMyTicket is pretty lame. Go to some big theater exec and tell them that name. You will be out the door in a second. What is with the "php" in the name? Do you really think _anyone_ that would actually _pay_ you for the software cares if it is based on PHP?
    The program is in advanced beta stage and was already used in production environment by us and by other people.
    Umm, you using it in your parents basement on your PIII doesn't count as a "production" environment, unless of course you own your own theater(s). Who are the "other people"? Mom, Dad and your auntie? Seriously, if you want to impress a company with some cash, you need to either be up front and tell them that "they will be the first 'large scale installation'", or you need to put out references that can be validated and not just "us and other people".
    Paypal and some other gateways are supported
    What other gateways? How many real theaters will be using Paypal? Cash or a major credit card please.
    The program is rather complex and big: we support online ticket shop, box office with thermal printer and control at doors with barcode scanner.
    There is nothing complex about an "online ticket shop". The same goes for the other items you mentioned. All of those functions can be implemented in a day or so or more likely for a company buying software, as a ready to go package. Maybe instead of trivial "geek" features, try to implement PHB features. How about your "Star Ticket Box System" implements all the tax rates of every zip code in the USA. Wow! Hey some PHB for one of the major theater companies may get all wet over that! Most companies that _can_ pay for custom software do not have simple needs like "you can order a ticket!". They want and expandable, modular system that can grow with their needs (even if your software currently cannot grow with their needs, tell them it can and then make sure you deliver).
    We tried support, installation and customization, and also a commercial license, but there are just not enough requests.
    Gee, I wonder why?

    Some of my post may have sounded harsh, however I wrote it to help you. I am a senior programmer for a fortune 500, multi-billion dollar company. I have pulled more hair out then you can imagine on the type of software that our PHB's have purchased. It _all_ comes down to PRESENTATION. Some of the "packages" that our PHB's have purchased have been total crap. One of our PHB's spent over $10,000 on a few little Flash demo's (less than 60 seconds each) about how to do basic computer tasks like using a mouse, keyboard, etc! Any graphics dude with about 1-2 months of Flash could have done it. However, the company that sold this "solution" has some business-style and didn't really sell a product, instead they learned what this PHB wanted and made him think he got it!

    Learn from this. Make your product as modular as possible. Drop the stupid geek name. What the hell is "phpMyTicket"? Come up with a name that will make some PHB think they are getting a total "ticketing solution". Even if your product is not there yet, make the PHB think it is. Ask the PHB what he is looking for and assure him that your product will deliver (even if it currently does not). This way you get a software sale as well as a consulting sale to "customize" the software for this business.

    Good luck!

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  16. Donations vs funding by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Informative
    There is a big difference between funding and donations. Funding really means getting someone to commit to paying $xxx for the software to be developed, while donations mean releasing the finished software then asking people to make micropayments etc.

    I develop OSS. I was lucky in getting funding up front, but now that the software is shipping and in use there is no funding coming in for ongoing support and maintenance. I asked an OSS developer whether they get any cash from their "begging" on their web page. They say they only get a couple of hundred bucks a year from that.

    At the end of the day, people don't pay for what they value. They pay for what they have to pay for. You don't pay for air.

    Sometimes you can make some money out of selling non-GPL licenses to your OSS. That only works if you hold all copyrights.

    Otherwise, OSS is often very difficult stuff to fund. In part this is due to the immaturity of the user base. People feel cheated if they pay for free stuff. In time, people might come to freely pay for stuff that they benefit from (like the way many people happily pay extra for organic produce: not only because it tastes better but also because it is ethical to support it).

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