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45GB Triple-Layer HD DVDs
m4c north writes "Toshiba has developed a new DVD-ROM: 45GB spread over 3 layers. From the press release (which has a few illustrations) the new discs have the ability "to record twelve hours of high-definition movies on a single disc." They've also added a "dual-layer hybrid ROM disc comprised of a dual-layer HD DVD-ROM side and a dual-layer DVD-ROM side." Japan Today's article adds, "The huge capacity means that a single disk can store a Hollywood movie trilogy." Do I smell yet another Star Wars re-re-release? Toshiba will take the wraps off the new DVDs at the Media-Tech Expo 2005 in Las Vegas. The HD DVD Promotion group offers the press release in PDF."
It's a shame that the DVD community doesn't have the ability to decide on a standard...
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I'm sure Star Wars re-re-re-released on HD DVD will be stunning, but I'm rather skeptical about when I'll actually have a HD TV to watch it on. As it is, the set I just got is pretty damn good when viewed on a non-CRT screen (no black lines.) A couple years ago Philips had the TV/Monitor to watch HD on, but it was $18,000. I'm certain that kind of quality hasn't come down far enough in price, nor shall it in the next 3 years for me to even consider buying one (probably only when I get HD Soccer on FSC or such.) Meanwhile, as we saw the other day, someone has nanotubes which may make some really great screens, but probably won't actually hit consumer markets, priced attactively (gotta pay off that investment in research.)
Heck, I'm only moving to a 64bit CPU at home because 32bit motherboards aren't being innovated anymore and I need a new mobo. It'll probably be a burned out monitor that forces me to get the nanotube screen and a few really good movie titles which convince me to upgrade to a new DVD (only because non HD players aren't made at that point.)
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We've been looking for a decent replacement for our old 30gb tape backup system, and this looks to be the critter. Hope the price of burner and DVD's isn't too high. Heck, with that kind of storage, I could use Ghost or something like it to do HD images.
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Now it will only take 20 of these to backup my porn!
Blu-Ray has had 8 layer 200gb discs for almost a year now: http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=44 30
Just imagine how many different models of CD(or whatever)-ROMs we're going to need now, and how many sub-versions (a-la DVD-R, DVD+R) we'll have.
The packaging on burners will look something like this:
16x4x16x DVD+RW / 12x4x16x DVD-RW / 5x DVD+R DL / 4x HD DVD+R / 32X HD3-DVD1-R+RW / etc / etc
-Jesse
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With something like this I'll be able to backup my workstation with ten pieces of media, instead of the seventy or so DVDs it would take to do a Full Backup.
Seriously, it's about time offline media started catching up with hard drive capacities.
Twelve hours of high-definition pr0n on a single disc.
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As stated previously, when they decide on a standard, let me know. I'd really like to get a burner, and I know that it will probably work well and be compatable for some time. However, I don't want to buy something and then have it become obsolete just after I buy it. Guess I'm just too cheap.
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This is what, the 42nd new DVD format this week?
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1) Even if it has a "scratch-proof" surface, data gets much more delicate. Think about it, 45 GB of data on one disk. If this disk gets broken, you lose a whole lot more than having the data on 10 DVDs and losing one.
2) It is still a mechanic, spinning system. Which sucks, because it has to accelerate first, then it can read. If there is an error, it decelerates.. well, you know it already. It blocks parts of the system, and is downright annoying.
OK - the data density is MUCH higher than in a CD. But no one says that the maximum transfer rate isn't going to increase. And when this happens, we have the spinning & error problems again.
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Let's get the double layer ones at a reasonable price before we go crazy on this new one. I'm still seeing around $4 apiece for the doubles buying them online in bulk.
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
At the beginning of the CDrom era, a CDrom handled more space than most of HDs over there (at least the personal computer HDs). You were lucky if your HD was 200Mb!!. I guess we would be happier with something of about 100Gb right now, but I agree that 30Gb is more than enough.
The HD-DVD folks have upgraded their inferior 30GB disc to a still inferior 45GB disc. (15GB per layer) Meanwhile, Blu-Ray still holds steady at 50GB. (25GB per layer) All of this is moot, of course, as Blu-Ray will prevail with an eventual max size of 200GB (8 layers) per disc, outdistancing a max size of 120GB (8 layers) per disc for the HD-DVD condortium.
10-15 minutes of porn is sufficient for general public, really. No need to be HD quality either.
Not long ago I purchased the "Smokey and the Bandit" trilogy on DVD ($12.50 at Staples), and was suprised that it fit on one DVD.
They used the trick of the double sided DVD to acomplish this mission.
Since only Smokey and the Bandit 3 is on one side I can safely say that there at least one side with no quality data on it (how horrble must a script be for Burt Renolds to turn it down?)
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Back when I first bought a CD burner, I did it to archive. Back then, a "big" consumer harddrive was around 1.2G and a CD held about half of that. Not bad for the time.
These days a "big" consumer harddrive is around 250G to 300G, and this "great new technology" (yet to be released) will allow for about one fifth of that.
That's simply not enough for me to justify using it as a method of data archiving or backup. To backup a single 250G volume I'd need 5+ blanks.
On the consumer side of the equation, I can't see people moving from DVD to this unless there is some justification better than "you'll have to swap discs one third as often".
Now, on the topic of size, since most optical media is recorded radially, why not make the physical size of the discs bigger? Not as big as LDs, because those were a little unmanageable, but another inch or two in diameter would GREATLY increase the capacity of even a DVD-R. Some will point out that it would no longer fit in a 5.25" bay, but who cares. This is why we have firewire and USB2.
Thoughts comments?
Wow I need to get my calculator and see how many divix movies that is. Lets see, the whole battlestar galactica first season fit on 1 and a half regular (4GB?) dvds..... I could move my whole movie collection to a few mega-dvds, and my entire music collection to just one.
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...of this article is out of touch with movie releases. I think he meant re-re-re-re-re-re-release of Star Wars. Then again, maybe I missed a "re."
Quick, someone crash Goerge Lucas's computer before he reads this news!!!
-Valiss
I bought into the Double Layer hype.
The price of the CDs are prohibatively expensive.
So no mater how many layers you cram onto a CD, unless the price is worthwhile, its useless.
Keep in mind that there are on-going talks on merging the formats (HD-DVD & Blu-Ray) next week so the timing of this is mostly political positioning. The change itself hasn't been discussed in the DVD forum and it's all vapor right now.
You're trying to tell me you're gonna try and sell a single disk for $100? No way. It won't happen. They'll still box them. And if people complain, they'll just add 40 hours of worthless crap to the discs to justify their 6-disc sets (instead of deleted scenes, they'll simply have 4 versions of each episode in their entirely, each differing by 30-seconds or so, or interviews with the "key grip," "costume designer," etc - it'll cost them pennies to tape those interviews, and they'll reap the benefits.).
Naw - we need to apply this tech to a SMALLER format disk and put it in a caddy - like a 3.5" floppy case. Something to ensure that the written portion of the media never comes into physical contact with anything but air and a few photons.
Doesn't matter, though - in a few more years, nanotube memory will wipe out everything else anyway.
No anime company makes money selling their shows to the Cartoon Network. They often have to pay for the privelege and use the exposure to bolster DVD sales.
Still, more and more people are sticking with their inferior downloaded fansubs rather support the shows they're enjoying which isn't helping the industry any either.
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Squishing all four seasons of the Trailer Park Boys into a single-layer DVD makes for more fun and is compatable with all DVD-R capable players. Call me when the fallout ends from all the next generation DVD standards (a.k.a. the company with the biggest war chest tells us what we want to buy).
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Seven for the Hardware-lords all but clones,
Nine for Portal Men doomed to buy
One for the DRM Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Discs where the data lies.
One Drive to read them all, One Drive to write them,
One Drive to bring them all and with their lasers byte them
In the Land of Discs where the data lies.
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I was once told by someone whom work in the video/audio media industry that one of the major factors that determine whether a type of media is a success or not is whether the media is "porn" friendly. When Pioneer made Laser Discs (LD), their "license" prohibited porn to be made on them, resulting in the flop of the format. VHS on the other hand had plenty, and DVDs are even friendlier with their "multi-angle" option (that surprisingly many people do not know about). If the porn industry picks a format, you know that one will be the winner.