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Xbox 360 Lightsynth

Posted by Zonk on from the trippy dept.

Ophion writes "Renowned digital artist Jeff Minter of Llamasoft has created a new lightsynth that will be built into the Xbox 360. More information on the console's music player is available from Microsoft." From the post: "I believe it finally begins to achieve the potential that I saw all those years ago when I first made Psychedelia... and I am happier with it than I have ever been with anything I've created in my entire career. And we got it into the firmware again... Microsoft firmware. Of the Xbox360 for goat's sake. At last... after more than 20 years' work, one of my lightsynths is going to reach a decent sized audience. Millions and millions..."

129 comments

  1. I wonder... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... how many will now call Mr. Minter a sellout.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As soon as I get done googling Jeff Minter, reading TFA and figuring out what the hell a Lightsynth is and why the hell I should care, I'll be happy to call him a sellout. ... Not that I consider "sellout" to be a bad thing. That word stopped being an insult which carried any weight sometime around 1972.

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    2. Re:I wonder... by INSSOMNIAK · · Score: 1

      You are not a nerd.

    3. Re:I wonder... by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      And you are not EXPLAINING any of this either, I notice. What is a lightsynth? Please? I'll give you a cookie...

    4. Re:I wonder... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Okay. I got it now. Pretty colors and music. I'm sure LSD users everywhere are going to snap up the XBox360 now. For that matter E-popping ravers will probably want to hook one up to a projector screen at their next party.

      If you don't use recreational hallucinagens, then this thing is still a quirky work of art and a clever toy, but certainly not enough to make me want to buy the console.

      When it comes to my interest in buying one, I have no questions about polygon count or built-in "Lightsynths" or funky new controllers. I'm sure it's all spiffy. What I most want to know is: What games will there be?

      I don't need to see 2,000 titles available. The threshold for buying a console for me is "three games which don't suck, at least one of which totally kicks ass."

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    5. Re:I wonder... by pocopoco · · Score: 1

      Heh, I had no clue either. At first I thought you could make sound by waving your hands at a sensor or something. Apparently, looking at the site, it's the opposite. It makes ugly, meaningless crap on the screen from controller or audio input. I guess if you can't beat Mario paint you implement something like this...

    6. Re:I wonder... by Golias · · Score: 1

      At first I thought you could make sound by waving your hands at a sensor or something.

      Hmm... Come to think of it, a software version of the Theremin would be extremely cool.

      Perhaps one could make it a Mac program to work with those iSight cameras.

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    7. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be even cooler to make it something like that using those accelerameter's in the newer powerbooks.

    8. Re:I wonder... by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Some screensaver.

      A music synthesizer is a device that can make sounds based on various inputs. Turn a knob, the sound changes. Program a beat. apply various effects on the sounds. One track, multi tracks, etc.

      This is the same, applied to light, or image.
      If you remember Cthugha, that's something close to it.
      You can let the music do the controlling, but you can also input light effects and beats with all 4 controllers. That's what the "Interactive screensaver" feature was, in this week's leak of specs.

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    9. Re:I wonder... by einTier · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think the point is to make a game. There's two ways I see this program. One, it's just a cool screensaver to use while you're streaming MP3's during a party -- and hey, you can play with it. Two, it's meant to be used under the influence of really heavy hallucinogins. If you've never used psychedelic drugs, then that might be hard to understand, but let me assure you that combined with the right drugs, that "meaningless crap" could be the most profound thing ever.

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    10. Re:I wonder... by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      how many will now call Mr. Minter a sellout

      Just the ones who are jealous.

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    11. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it would. It would make pretty pictures as it accellerated out of my window and smashed on the drive.

    12. Re:I wonder... by th3space · · Score: 1

      A lightsynth is the thing I stare at from 10am until 7pm CST, counting the minutes until the clock tells the bossman it is okay to undo my shackles and allow me to return to my hovel for the evening. Durr.

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    13. Re:I wonder... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      dunno.
      I'm happy he gets to be a sellout this way.

      sheep need food, you know.

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    14. Re:I wonder... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Salvia Divinorum, thanks. LSD is so 20th century....

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    15. Re:I wonder... by stephenisu · · Score: 1
      Salvia is great at closed eye and low light visuals... But Shrooms are where the open-eye visuals are at in my opinion..

      Call me old school (shrooms have speculatively been used since pre-history), but salvia (even extract) can't touch the visuals on shrooms while leaving you in a state that leaves the rest of your brain capable of remembering just what the hell happened to you.

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    16. Re:I wonder... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      Huh. I've had totally immersive experiences on Salvia, with the universe totally replaced by another, and remembered it. Nothing like what shrooms can do. (or have done). Extract only, I don't even try with the straight leaf, unless it's oral.

      Salvia also has a long history. The only known collected samples came from tended plots, it's never been found in the wild, and might be extinct as a wild plant. This, along with the fact that salvia has almost totally lost its ability to grow from seed, point towards a long relationship with humans. Probably not nearly as long as shrooms, though.

      For anyone interested in the subject, I highly recommend the first two thirds of Terrance McKenna's "Food of the Gods".

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    17. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ain't seen nothing till you've seen plants grow backwards into the ground on 4-ho-dipt and the world melt on 2c-e.

      Shrooms are king for the enjoyable mind-fuck though. These newfangled research chemicals are nearly all clear headed visuals.

  2. Wow... by hsteck_ylf · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Well isn't Jeff Special that his most acclaimed development is included in the Xbox 360...

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    1. Re:Wow... by reidbold · · Score: 0, Troll

      Who modded this flamebait? This entire article is flamebait, I for one don't care that some guy that I've never heard of from some company I've never heard of was awarded a contract from microsoft for xbox 2.

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    2. Re:Wow... by pluke · · Score: 0

      Now thats what i call flame bait, ironic huh?

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    3. Re:Wow... by SteveX · · Score: 1

      Anyone who's been around gaming a while will remember Jeff Minter and Gridrunner and Attack of the Mutant Camels... the guy's earned some respect.

      Maybe not respect that's relevant these days (he was creating cool stuff on C64 era machines) but still, his stuff was always ahead of its time.

    4. Re:Wow... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Anyone who's been around gaming a while will remember Jeff Minter and Gridrunner and Attack of the Mutant Camels... the guy's earned some respect.

      Dude. I've been around gaming since PONG, and I've never heard of either of those games!

      What did "Attack of the Mutant Camels" run on anyway?

      Shit. I just googled it. The C64. I owned a C64, and a Vic20 before that. Even had the goofy mercury-switch handheled joystick for it. Still never heard of "Attac of the Mutant Camels."

      He's obviously not as huge as you think he is.

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    5. Re:Wow... by Golias · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then again, I can't even remember to close an HTML "bold" tag, so what do I know?

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    6. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modding you Flamebait, that's ironic.

      You're welcome.

      Heh heh heh.

    7. Re:Wow... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dude. I've been around gaming since PONG, and I've never heard of either of those games!

      I think Mr. Yak's problems are that he has an uncanny knack of choosing hardware platforms which are doomed to utter failure.

      Witness his numerous games for the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, and then the Atari-commissioned Llamazap for the Falcon 030. If you've never heard of that particular Atari computer, then that should indicate how successful it was.

      He wrote Tempest 2000 for the Atari Jaguar. Then another version for the Nuon. Which you've probably not heard of either. Oh, and he was working on Unity for the Nintendo Gamecube, but presumably some Nintendo bigwigs sensed that impending-doom vibe - the game got cancelled instead of the console.

      So, basically, Minter on Xbox 360 means that the Xbox is going to die a horrible, horrible death in the marketplace... ;-)

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    8. Re:Wow... by torpor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dude. I've been around gaming since PONG, and I've never heard of either of those games!

      hello dude, you must be american. minters' big successes in the early 80's were .. mostly .. for early UK 8-bit scenery ...

      i was always pretty surprised, personally, by the secular nation of american video game markets in the 80's.. a lot of really cool shit happened that the average american video junky missed out on because of the different 'scene' in the states ..

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    9. Re:Wow... by Golias · · Score: 1

      i was always pretty surprised, personally, by the secular nation of american video game markets

      Secular?

      Did graphics programs in the 80s have something to do with your religion?

      Shouldn't you have abandoned the Earth on the Hale-Bopp comet along with the rest of the Heaven's Gate members? I hate to be the one to tell you, but you've missed the last train out by about eight years.

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    10. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was called 'Gridrunner' in the US.

      Cappice, dweebo ?

    11. Re:Wow... by oGMo · · Score: 1
      I think Mr. Yak's problems are that he has an uncanny knack of choosing hardware platforms which are doomed to utter failure.

      This is very possible... I've met a number of people who made and continue to make all the wrong choices. One kid I met in a gameshop had gotten a Saturn, Virtual Boy, Dreamcast, and was picking up an XBOX, convinced that this would be the #1 console. (This was back when the XBOX was pretty new.)

      On one hand, you want to feel sorry; on the other, you have to wonder at what point the person said "this is going to win!" and wonder if they make their decisions based on their favorite color being on the box, or what.

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    12. Re:Wow... by torpor · · Score: 1

      Did graphics programs in the 80s have something to do with your religion?

      pfftt... you haven't actually played any games from the 80's, have you?

      stupid person. of course video games are a religion! you moron, go back to new-world-order combat school, leave us old people alone.

      hail qix! praise crazy climber!

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    13. Re:Wow... by Rico_Suave · · Score: 1

      Just because your experience is lacking doesn't negate Minter's accomplishments.

    14. Re:Wow... by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Well, the Virtual Boy sure is a bad choice - the others at least have some merit. Saturn was pretty interesting for its time, the Dreamcast still has a loyal fan base and a large amount of decent, cheap (or bootlegged for that matter) games, the Xbox has plenty of games to play. Just because something is the number one seller doesn't mean that the competition has nothing to offer.
      I have a GameCube, PS2 and Xbox in my house. The GameCube and Xbox get the most play (although in the Xbox case it's more to play old NES and SNES games). On the PS2 the only thing recently that shook the dust off the case was Katamari Damacy.

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    15. Re:Wow... by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      I'm American and I know Minter's work very well. Attack of the Mutant Camels and the rest.
      Of course I imagine that those playing bootlegged games back when they were using Ataris and Commodore 64s had more exposure to UK releases.
      The biggest thing I could never understand was why the UK loved the Speccy so much. I guess it was cheap and came out before the C-64. All those ports of Spectrum games to the C-64 had completely crap graphics.

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    16. Re:Wow... by oGMo · · Score: 1

      The only real reason for any of those platforms now is as a collector's piece. For all intents and purposes, they're failed platforms. If I saw a Virtual Boy for sale (reasonably), I'd probably pick it up... not because I'd play it, but to collect a piece of Nintendo history, even if it was a darker moment.

      The sales status of something doesn't matter to me... if it did, I'd hardly run Linux, or play various lesser RPGs (Everblue 2 rocks), etc. What does interest me is simply the games. XBOX never had any that were console sellers for me. Dreamcast games you can mostly get for other platforms now (Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia being the biggest, for me). Saturn technically had a few interesting games (Nights, Virtua Fighter), but far too expensive an investment.

      Also, if you haven't been keeping up with your PS2 games, you've been missing a lot. Either that or you're a fan of a very limited scope of games (perhaps sports games?). Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but if you've missed stuff like GTA:SA, Jak3, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shin Megami Tensei (3 and DDS), Sly2, Phantom Brave, Ys6, GT4, God of War, you've missed out on quite a lot, even if there are a couple in that list that don't interest you for whatever reason (genre, violence, etc). There are some interesting B games here and there as well (I'm working on Obscure at the moment... kinda a Silent Hill Lite).

      It's all about the games. The next generation will be an interesting thing to see, but currently, the XBOX 360 isn't looking much more enticing than the XBOX. Waiting to see what the PS3 and Revolution have to offer is definitely prudent, and likely to pay off as in previous generations.

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    17. Re:Wow... by stephenisu · · Score: 1
      I think Mr. Yak's problems are that he has an uncanny knack of choosing hardware platforms which are doomed to utter failure.

      Prediction noted..

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    18. Re:Wow... by torpor · · Score: 1

      speccy was a real 'englishmans' computer .. it was fun and easy to program (once you got over the keyboard) and it was sensible.

      the C-64 was anything but sensible. the brits laughed hard at 'the american computer with all its PEEKs and POKEs', and continued bouncing away at the little rubber keys all the while..

      me, personally, i was way more fond of my oric than either C64 or Speccy, though i eventually had all three in my repertoire.. amstrad too, which i thought was pure dope, but i warrant very few Americans had much to do with the CPC464...

      i think the American market, at that time, suffered from a fair bit of ego for the whole computer thing - silicon valley and all that - and didn't really see what other computing efforts were happening in the world, such as at Cambridge, etc...

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    19. Re:Wow... by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Either that or you're a fan of a very limited scope of games (perhaps sports games?)

      Wow. State that the PS2 is the least favorite console at my house and get branded a Madden fan.
      I enjoy a wide variety of games and have ever since the Atari 2600 I had in 1979. I am a PC gamer primarily (preferring strategy, FPS, MMOs and RPGs). On the console side the Gamecube gets a lot of use partially because it has more kid friendly games.
      The rash of generic looking 3rd person action games on the current generation of consoles really bores me.
      You argument about missing out on the PS2 games is also valid for the Xbox or Gamecube. On Xbox you get ports of a lot of great PC games. Xbox will be the only system to see Half Life 2 for example. Other great games include Knights of the Old Republic and Phantom Dust. On Gamecube you have the range of Nintendo exclusives, and for something not so kid friendly Resident Evil 4 is pretty sweet.
      I'm not knocking the PS2 - I just can't see some kid sitting there being bummed because he got the wrong console. There are great games available for each of these systems.
      As for the Dreamcast a lot of people I know own and use one because of the last generation 2D shooters that were released on it.

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    20. Re:Wow... by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      i think the American market, at that time, suffered from a fair bit of ego for the whole computer thing

      Yeah, that tends to happen when you're primarily responsible for a whole series of the most important innvations in human history.

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    21. Re:Wow... by torpor · · Score: 1

      yeah, i know, the french taught me to appreciate this immensely, same with the hassids and the israelis' ..

      you can't wrap human progress in a flag. to do so is degrading.

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    22. Re:Wow... by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      You're the one wrapping it in a flag, even if it was only to follow it up with bitching and whining.

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  3. Rambling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe it finally begins to achieve the potential that I saw all those years ago when I first made Psychedelia... and I am happier with it than I have ever been with anything I've created in my entire career. And we got it into the firmware again... Microsoft firmware. Of the Xbox360 for goat's sake. At last... after more than 20 years' work, one of my lightsynths is going to reach a decent sized audience. Millions and millions...

    Damn... And I thought I could ramble on... and on... for several lines really well... but this guy really has me beat... because he sure knows how to ramble a lot better than I could... and I thought I was an expert at rambling... but he's a lot better than me at rambling... and taking one idea... and dragging it into what could be several paragraphs... or rambling... about one idea... much better than I could... and I thought I was really good at rambling... on and on... for a long time... but he has me beat. :)

  4. millions... by alexandreracine · · Score: 1
    At last... after more than 20 years' work, one of my lightsynths is going to reach a decent sized audience. Millions and millions...
    Really? How much Xbox was sold? 3 millions? Does someone have the sales figures?
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    1. Re:millions... by SoVeryWrong · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to Microsoft, they've sold approximately 20 million Xboxes as of year end 2004.

  5. 30 Million Xboxs sold by lake2112 · · Score: 1, Informative

    According to the article on CNN.com, there have been about 30 million Xboxs sold world-wide.

    1. Re:30 Million Xboxs sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to grammar, the plural of "Xbox" is "Xboxes."

    2. Re:30 Million Xboxs sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      According to the Microsoft trademark guidelines, the plural of "Microsoft Xbox" is "Microsoft Xbox game consoles."

    3. Re:30 Million Xboxs sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..and of course the cool people say Xboxen!

    4. Re:30 Million Xboxs sold by stephenisu · · Score: 1

      I prefer "Xboxen" but only my nerdier friends understand me. My nerdiest friends just ask me why I am bringing up X-term in the context of a console (not because they are stupid, just that they think they are truly funny).

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  6. Redpoint (artists in the video)'s record label by Acronym · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you like the music in the demo video, visit http://www.hiddenmusic.co.uk/ - the website of Redpoint's label.

  7. Let me be the first to say something POSITIVE by sirenbrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jeez, four comments already, all whining. C'mon, this is a good guy who writes great games, LOVES his work and loves to make other people happy. You'll know I'm right when you actually try this thing and see, and feel, what a cool thing it is. And if you'd waited 20 years for a project to reach a wide audience, you'd write a fair bit too. Nicely done, Jeff, Giles and crew.

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    1. Re:Let me be the first to say something POSITIVE by Golias · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is that this was posted on games.slashdot.com.

      Not a lot of FPS and MMORPG players are going to give a crap about an obscure work of visual art from the 80s showing up in the firmware of the upcoming XBox360.

      I see the logic of posting it here, since it is a feature on a game console we are talking about... but it probably would have been more well-received on the front page.

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    2. Re:Let me be the first to say something POSITIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      furthermore, his previous work is basically the foundation for much of modern audio visualization programs (iTunes; WinAmp, WinMediaPlayer, various xmmc plugins). this software is likely to further influence the field, given it's unique qualities. there has been some experimentation with 3d visualizations and various filters and effects, but this is pretty much state of the art. it's running in HD, and quite fluidly. it's realtime interactive, and it should be pretty accessible being in ROM and using a wireless analouge controller. 4 people can control the thing simultaneously using a variety of control inputs (buttons, sticks,.. I don't know the exact mappings). impressively, this thing is under a half meg of code. check out the video's, which are compressed, low resolution, low framerate relative to the actual realtime xbox360 HD output...

    3. Re:Let me be the first to say something POSITIVE by pnice · · Score: 1

      ...and not everyone that reads games.slashdot.org are into the FPS and MMORPGs.

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    4. Re:Let me be the first to say something POSITIVE by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      minter is awesome..

      and well.. fuck.. i might just get xbox360 just because of this.

      minter is a nice guy, does awesome things and well, some platforms he devved for just had bad luck.

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    5. Re:Let me be the first to say something POSITIVE by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      That's a stretch. It isn't as if he invented the idea.

      Actually if you read his "History" ramblings on his website, he was rather far behind the curve when it comes to computer stuff across the board. Not that it makes him a bad person or anything, but it's a far cry from giving him credit for subsequent things which happen to resemble something he did at one point.

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  8. Llamatron? by technopinion · · Score: 1

    Woohoo, can't wait for the Xbox 360 version of Llamatron! I just hope it's as good as the C-64 version was.

    1. Re:Llamatron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Llamatron is an ST / Amiga / PC game and not C64. Sorry for the pointless pedentry :D

      Even so I'd love to see that fantastic shooter updated for XBOX 360 or any modern console :D

    2. Re:Llamatron? by tolan-b · · Score: 1

      My high score was more than double any published in st format's 'send us your llamatron scores', including jeff minter's. i was so proud :p (maybe i still am a bit... maybe..)

  9. Potential evil? by Black+Pete · · Score: 1

    At last... after more than 20 years' work, one of my lightsynths is going to reach a decent sized audience. Millions and millions...

    Maybe it's just me, but this sounded like something Dr. Evil would say (with a pinkie finger to his mouth) :)

  10. Quicktime? by John+Harrison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anybody else impressed that Minter has posted movie files of his xbox 360 lightsynth in quicktime format? I'm sure someone at MS is having a fit about this right now.

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    1. Re:Quicktime? by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      Nah, more importantly... we Slashdot users will be furious it wasn't encoded in Ogg Theora/Vorbis :P

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  11. You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    to yourselves. Nearly all of you sound like whining brats. The guy's proud of his achievement for god's sake. You geeks simply do not want anything... ANYTHING... associated with MS to do well. You're all stuck in this rigid and inflexible, adolescent mindset.

    1. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely, my friend. What a tragedy, what is wrong with you people? This guy has been through shit in his life but stuck to his vision and this like a crowning achievement, his excitement is palpable. Two people put that together!

      Slashdot really is the pits lately. Call yourselves techies? Your a bunch of depressed whiners with absolutely no appreciation for technology unless it has a fucking penguin associated with it.

      Baaah!

    2. Re:You guys should listen... by hsteck_ylf · · Score: 1

      Not so... I love the Xbox and can't wait for Xbox 360... I just don't see the point of this being posted on slashdot... the guy can be as happy and proud of himself as he wants, but this is not the place for it...

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    3. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I love the Xbox and can't wait for Xbox 360"

      That makes one of you.

      Even the diehard MS/xbox freaks are shocked at how weak the 360 has turned out to be.

      It looks like MS has gambled and lost with their attempt to rush to market. Stick a fork in it it's done. All that's left is to label the gravestone Dreamcast 2.

    4. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I said... rigid and inflexible.

    5. Re:You guys should listen... by themuffinking · · Score: 1

      "Don't hate microsoft, they're good!"

      no.

      every os sucks.

      except for the one used on the Nintendo DS.

      I love that.

      whooo!

      double line breaks.

    6. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a technological standpoint, the Xbox 360 is best described as absurdly powerful. Sony and Nintendo have a long road ahead if they plan on one-upping this technological titan.

    7. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly right. Most of these responses are deeply cynical. There is indeed adolescent rigidity and inflexibility manifesting itself here on Slashdot.

    8. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The astroturfers are really out in force.

      Guys, try not to type verbatim from the talking points...

    9. Re:You guys should listen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Confused is I. I've heard the Xbox 360 mentioned all over the news, my friends think it's fancy, the Xbox fan sites think it's terrific, Xbox-Scene likes it...

      Did you just fall through a hole from another universe?

  12. How does this compare to Milkdrop... by Mortimer82 · · Score: 1

    I found Milkdrop before Winamp 3 hit the scenes, and I had loads of fun being the one to introduce it to all my friends, seeing as Nullsoft only started including it by default with Winamp 5.0.

    Anyone seen both in action?

    1. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by Acronym · · Score: 1

      It's not even close. This makes Milkdrop look like a joke; the video's awesome.

    2. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neon absolutely humilliates every single commercial and non-commmercial visualliser and lightsynth on the planet. It's that simple. I've had the pleasure of watching the development of Neon and playing with it at almost every stage for hours at a time. It simply is amazing. You can't possibly imagine it even from the movies.

    3. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's not even close. This makes Milkdrop look like a joke; the video's awesome



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    4. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But is it better than the fireworks show I can make when I close my eyes and rub 'em really hard with my fists?

    5. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by r_jensen11 · · Score: 0

      Milkdrop is lame, since it uses DirectX. If it used OpenGL and was ported to XMMS, then it might stand a chance. But no, Milkdrop is lame.

    6. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget that in conjunction with EvilLyrics, found at http://www.evillabs.sk/ you can have the lyrics sent to milkdrop as they are sung. No other program can do this in existence. Certainly not in a way where you can download the lyrics and timing information for new songs in near-realtime.

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    7. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by triso · · Score: 1
      Let's not forget that in conjunction with EvilLyrics, found at http://www.evillabs.sk/ you can have the lyrics sent to milkdrop as they are sung.
      That's irrelevant since everybody knows the words to "Stairway to Heaven" and "Freebird" already.
    8. Re:How does this compare to Milkdrop... by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      It's far from irrelavant considering you can create a lyric timing file by simply listening to the song and manually hilighting the correct line at the correct time. Then, it's saved, and uploaded, and you get a better experience listening to the song for the rest of your life, as well as any guests who might NOT know the song would now know what they are saying.

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  13. Torrent of the Neon video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the people wondering what the fuss is about watch this: http://continuity.lboro.ac.uk:8080/

    1. Re:Torrent of the Neon video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just getting a "SocketException" error.

  14. sometimes articles are moved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after there are a few posts added... i think.. ;)

  15. metaslashdot by warmcat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In a shocking turn of events today the metaslashdotter posts outstripped the real slashdotter posts on a story about a stoned coder who sees dead people. Predicting the surge of "so, do MSFT balls *taste better* than llama balls, Jeff?" comments, metaslashdotters hurried to decry the plebian urge to urinate on MSFT, only to find the story overstocked with metaposts decrying an urge that did not materialize prior to the embarassment of metaposters crying "shame!" on an nonexistant denouncement.

    Let's all hope enough plebian posters hating MSFT turn up to balance the metaposter overstock and save the fragile metaposters from the embarassment of being seen to care.

    1. Re:metaslashdot by Golias · · Score: 1

      Wow. And now you've started a metathread complaining of all the metacomments.

      Now all we need are a few dozen posts complaining about moderation before anything actually falls to the -1 threshold, and our journey to the Dark Side will be complete!

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    2. Re:metaslashdot by warmcat · · Score: 1

      Where's the lightswitch?

  16. MEDIA LINKS (was: Something Positive) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    furthermore, his previous work is basically the foundation for much of modern audio visualization programs (iTunes; WinAmp, WinMediaPlayer, various xmmc plugins). this software is likely to further influence the field, given it's unique qualities. there has been some experimentation with 3d visualizations and various filters and effects, but this is pretty much state of the art. it's running in HD, and quite fluidly. it's realtime interactive, and it should be pretty accessible being in ROM and using a wireless analouge controller. 4 people can control the thing simultaneously using a variety of control inputs (buttons, sticks,.. I don't know the exact mappings). impressively, this thing is under a half meg of code. check out the video's, which are compressed, low resolution, low framerate relative to the actual realtime xbox360 HD output...


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    video links on the llamasoft site
    a large 155mb movie mirror, requires quicktime
    a large 155mb movie mirror, requires quicktime
    a video torrent link
  17. The XBOX 360... by stu_coates · · Score: 1

    ...bought to you by Llama Man and Monkey Boy!

  18. the coolest thing MS ever did by nickos · · Score: 1

    Wow!!!

    I normally slag off Microsoft like everyone else, but in this case it seems like they had a clue.

    An aside: I remember reading once that Jeff had got into this stuff after reading a book by the guy who did the visual effects in the trippy scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Does anyone remember the name of that book? I have a nasty deeling it's out of print now...

    1. Re:the coolest thing MS ever did by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      An aside: I remember reading once that Jeff had got into this stuff after reading a book by the guy who did the visual effects in the trippy scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Does anyone remember the name of that book? I have a nasty deeling it's out of print now...

      Okay, so it's not the book or its title, but have some Slit-Scan photography, including the 2001 imagery unwrapped!

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    2. Re:the coolest thing MS ever did by nickos · · Score: 1

      Sorry to answer my own post but after a bit of Googling I found the answer. The book was Digital Harmony (published 1980) by John Whitney

    3. Re:the coolest thing MS ever did by nickos · · Score: 1

      Very cool, thanks! I love this stuff :D

    4. Re:the coolest thing MS ever did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doug Trumbull did the slitscan FX for 2001. The guy's amazing. I had the honor of going to his studio in the Berkshires years ago to ride the single-seat prototype of his Back To the Future ride. I also was shown original models from Blade Runner. It was a highlight in my life.

    5. Re:the coolest thing MS ever did by kingsmedley · · Score: 1

      I normally slag off Microsoft like everyone else, but in this case it seems like they had a clue.

      I agree completely. Having the VLM (lightsynth) built in to the JagCD was perhaps that doomed unit's single greatest saving grace. I was surprised when the Dreamcast, Playstation 2, and Xbox did not bother to include a similair feature even though all those units were developed post-Jag and all featured audio CD playback.

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  19. Minter's touch of death... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if Microsoft is aware of Minter's "Touch Of Death(TM)".

  20. Gddammit..... by szyzyg · · Score: 1

    I really wanted to avoid giving Microsoft any of my hard earned cash. Then again it's in the firmware, so if MS subsidise the console price then maybe I can justify it.

  21. this is great by denidoom · · Score: 1
    Oh finally I can override that damn Need for Speed Underground 2 soundtrack!

    I wonder how customizable this whole audio set up will be. Will the annoying Holo flavored start menu be replaced and can we play our own music while it sits idle? I'm tired of the creepy sounds.

    The Lightsynth is a great addition but I like a simpler Ambient Light. Now, if only the hard drive weren't so loud...

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  22. Yay for Jeff! by zulux · · Score: 1, Troll

    Too bad for us that is with the XBOX, but congrats to Jeff for getting some eyeballs in front of his work.

    Unity (Jeff's VLM/Game) for the Gamecube was cancelled too soon.

    Sucks that it's an XBOX. I like the XBOX360 PowerPC clone of Nintedo's Revolution but hate the fact that Microsoft is using one monopoly in one market to buy their way into a second.

    Some of us like to see people earn their sucess, and not steal it.

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    1. Re:Yay for Jeff! by radish · · Score: 1

      Some of us like to see people earn their sucess, and not steal it.

      I don't remember Gates or Ballmer being prosecuted for any bank robberies lately. I think, maybe, they earned their success by, you know, selling lots of software. And I really like how the Xbox360 is a "clone" of a product which hasn't even been announced and doesn't have a public spec.

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    2. Re:Yay for Jeff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They colluded with a corrupt and tyrannical state and its intellectual "property" laws. In a free market, microsoft would be wiped off the map. While copyright and patent monopolies exist, the software market will always be fucked.

    3. Re:Yay for Jeff! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      waa waa waa

    4. Re:Yay for Jeff! by KillShill · · Score: 1

      you seem to be forgetting the only member of the RIAA and MPAA is making consoles and games...

      i'll give you a hint: it's spelled ynos backwards and it's sony forwards.

      and lets not forget the price fixing, sue happy nintendo (i'm being terribly concise, so forgive me if i miss anything).

      so basically i say a BIG FUCK YOU to all 3 console manufacturers. even more so for their damn DRM schemes to rob us of our ability to own our own hardware.

      is that sufficient?

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  23. Visualization is cool, but... by fleck_99_99 · · Score: 1
    ... will it also feature GridRunner?

    I can't imagine why I'm suddenly missing my Vic-20...

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  24. NO, NO, NO!! by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1

    The difference is that Microsoft is a convicted monopollist!!!!111oneoneelevenonehundredeleven

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    1. Re:NO, NO, NO!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, get over yourself. Your exclamation points say everything about you.

  25. Slashdot - The Microsoft Xbox Hype Never Ends! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft Hype 24/7/360 days a year.

    Slashdot - a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft's marketing department.

    1. Re:Slashdot - The Microsoft Xbox Hype Never Ends! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, wouldn't it end for 5 days out of every year then?

    2. Re:Slashdot - The Microsoft Xbox Hype Never Ends! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 24/7/360 is taking into account the small amount of actual content making it onto Slashdot yearly.

  26. Knowing companies and their "sales" figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that sold as in installed in customers homes, or is it sold as in including those Xboxes sitting in stores/warehouses?

  27. Ugh, why did it have to be the XBox360? by Intellectual+Elitist · · Score: 0, Troll
    I bought a Jaguar for Minter's Tempest 2000. I bought a Jaguar CD unit for his VLM. I even bought a Nuon DVD player for Tempest 3000 and VLM-2. I might've considered a Gamecube if his Unity project had come to fruition. But throwing in with Microsoft for VLM-3?

    I'm happy that Jeff's going to get his work in front of more people, but there's no way in hell I'm going to help Microsoft try to take over yet another market. Sorry, Jeff.

    1. Re:Ugh, why did it have to be the XBox360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bastard cunt!

      You couldnt hold a candle to his dedication over the years.

      P.S. Who just got their code on what will be the world biggest console? Was it you or some has-been?

      Superzapper fucking recharged!

    2. Re:Ugh, why did it have to be the XBox360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just because it's the world's largest console doesn't mean it's the best.

    3. Re:Ugh, why did it have to be the XBox360? by KillShill · · Score: 1

      have you seen the ps3? it's about 1.5 times larger than the xbox 360.

      and the revolution is smaller than both of them.

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  28. Website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This new website is really slick and streamlined and... devoid of any character, huh ?

  29. Ah, finally... by Dan+Up+Baby · · Score: 1

    A killer app that will allow Microsoft to sell systems like Atari or VMLabs. I don't know if they'll be able to do it without a launch title like Merlin Racing, though.

  30. if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by kerobaros · · Score: 1

    Say what you will about Microsoft, but if the original VLM was addicting enough to make me actually want to hunt down a Jaguar and Jaguar CD, then I think I'll be more than willing to pick up an Xbox 360. Once the price goes under $200, of course.

    One more thing: have any of you ever spent any time with an Xbox? The company may be a piece of trash, but their hardware design is, in my experience, immaculate. I'm still using a Microsoft mouse from.. God, must be 1995 or something. The thing just won't die. I have a feeling the Xbox could have the same roach-like lifespan.

    1. Re:if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love my Xbox. No glitches. No problems. Solid piece of gear that does what it does extremely well. Also, although there are not nearly as many good games on the Xbox as there are on the PS2, there are about a couple dozen GREAT games. Halo 2, Doom 3, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, Brother in Arms, Unreal Championship and Forza being the latest batch. There are more I haven't played yet. Those games are plenty for me.

    2. Re:if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by Colol · · Score: 1

      I have to admit I was one of those massive skeptics when word came out that Microsoft was releasing a gaming console. Having actually owned one since a few months after it launched, though, I'm in love. The power supply issues aside, Microsoft put together an excellent system both from the hardware and software sides. Xbox Live works brilliantly, I've had nary a disc read problem, and unlike my PS2 (and PSX before it), I haven't had to replace any controllers due to failure.

      Microsoft is definitely a hit-or-miss company, but when they hit something (and as you mentioned, they tend to do so with hardware), they nail it. For me, the Xbox captured the goodness of the Dreamcast (the Sega games didn't hurt ;) in a much bigger, blacker package.

      If the release price is reasonable enough, Xbox 360 will easily top my Christmas list. The potential of the system is great, and the lightsynth is just icing on the cake. Now if Unity would just make an appearance as an Xbox 360 game...

    3. Re:if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad for MS there just aren't enough idiots like you to sustain a viable console without pumping billions of monopoly cash into it.

      Xbox 360 - You're Personal Invitation To Gayness

    4. Re:if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 1

      "Your", not "You're", tool.

      People have opinions. If you prefer something else, or just hate the Microsoft there's no need to question someone else's sexuality over it. It just makes you look insecure.

    5. Re:if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COCKroaches dont live very long you stupid shitfaced nigger bitch. go inhale a nigger dick

    6. Re:if('Virtual Light Machine' == 'God'); by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ill show you a bigger, blacker package, you fucking nigger lover

      now bend over, bitch

  31. oh please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shut the fuck up.

    oh no, wait.

    OHOHOHOHOHO so funny.

  32. *groan* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to your TV reruns, moron.

  33. When the 360 falls in price by Rhys · · Score: 1

    I might have to buy one. The VLM on the Jaguar (also in ROM, written by Jeff) was awesome for it's time and still looks fairly cool.

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  34. Finally! by snuf23 · · Score: 1

    A good reason to start dropping acid again!

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