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Human Blood For Electrical Power

burner writes "A Japanese research team has developed a fuel cell that runs on blood without using toxic substances, opening the way for use in artificial hearts and other organs. The biological fuel cell uses glucose with a non-toxic substance used to draw electrons from glucose. So where should I have my laptop power port installed?"

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  1. So that's how they did it. by geekwithsoul · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always wondered how the machines used people as power in the Matrix. This explains everything!

    1. Re:So that's how they did it. by spikesahead · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If I recall correctly, I think Morpheus went on about how the human nervous system produced enough electricity to power a light bulb, and that the machines tapped into that energy to run themselves.

      Personally, though, I think it would have been cooler if the machines were using us as inexpensive processing units. What if, in the real world, you didn't actually have to sleep, and that 'sleep' is the machines using you to think? o.o

    2. Re:So that's how they did it. by Sanguis+Mortuum · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, what you're saying is, the machines should have a Beowulf cluster of us? :-/

    3. Re:So that's how they did it. by 0zymandias · · Score: 5, Funny

      > So, what you're saying is, the machines should have a Beowulf cluster of us? :-/

      Only in soviet Russia.

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    4. Re:So that's how they did it. by TheBoostedBrain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do we run Linux?

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    5. Re:So that's how they did it. by masklinn · · Score: 4, Informative
      Actually, humans wouldn't have to sleep for the machines to use them for processing - large parts of neural systems were unused.
      No they aren't, that whole "humans only use 80% of their capacities" urban legend is bullshit, neural system structures are quite heavily specialized and although all of them aren't used 100% of the time there is no such thing as a "waste" in the neural system, nearly everything has a role, and what doesn't used to or may have one in the future.
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    6. Re:So that's how they did it. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Finally, a good use for all those nasty used tampons.

    7. Re:So that's how they did it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh. Just for the record, Ireland simply isn't a vast field of grass. It's got a very varied landscape including large fields of grass in places, but it's called "the emerald isle" because of (astonishingly) diverse and abundant plant life, not monotonous and abundant plant life.

      If you leave a tract of land alone for decades in Ireland, it typically reverts to lush forest interspersed with grassy clearings except in some mountainous areas (where it will become a peat bog) and coastal areas (where it will become wildflower meadow with fascinating "natural bonsai" dwarf trees). Some forested areas, if large enough, develop microclimates - i.e. Ireland might become a sort of "cold rainforest" if left to its own devices.

      Now, many poor Irish emigrants to the americas came from the west of Ireland, which indeed has
      emerald fields of grass, but other bits of Ireland look quite different (but still very, very green!)

      The Steppes (Russia/Ukraine) are where you want to go for vast plains of grass.

    8. Re:So that's how they did it. by tzanger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, i dont have a 6 pack.

      I do, but it's behind the keg.

    9. Re:So that's how they did it. by Stween · · Score: 3, Funny

      (Score: 5, Funny, but Entirely Disgusting)

    10. Re:So that's how they did it. by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once upon a time, long, long ago, a neurologist said (approx) "We only know what 20% of the brain is used for." A reporter translated this into "We only use 20% of our brain".

      Think of this the next time you read a news story.

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  2. And I thought battery prices were high... by vought · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sheesh Apple wants $100.00 for an iBook battery, but that's cheap compared to tapping a vein.

    On the other hand, I suppose you can replace your blood for less, and in less time.

    1. Re:And I thought battery prices were high... by spikesahead · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who says you have to use your own blood?

    2. Re:And I thought battery prices were high... by mike518 · · Score: 5, Funny

      yes, i mean you may pass out... but its surely worth it in order to have the power to get to level 13 on tetris while out and about.

      besides what better story for the hospital -- any guy next to you can glorify his brave rushing into a burning building to safe children, but a level 14 related tetris concussion, now thats something to be proud of!

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  3. In the future... by LewsTherinKinslayer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Virgins will be ritualistical sacrificed to power the laptops of the Profane!

  4. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?! by TheZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're totally bound to see Vampire robots!

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    1. Re:DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?! by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ohh god, don't give hollywood any ideas.

    2. Re:DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      bubblegum crisis.

      2 fembots powered by blood comes to earth in one episode of the OVA series. one of them is damaged so it cant replenish her blood by herself, so the other fembots rides the city in a heavy batle suit stealing blood for the partner.

    3. Re:DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?! by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ohh god, don't give hollywood any ideas.

      Why not? They've been begging for one for years! ;-)

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  5. That's funny... by MxReb0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last time I checked, I run on blood, too...

    The line between technology and the living is thinning.

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    1. Re:That's funny... by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Funny

      *gasp* You must be a robot!

      Seriously. How is thyis Insightful? Most people tend to run on blood. Are the mods who are modding the posts here on crack or something? This whole story keeps getting insightful mods for Utter nonesense (albeit funny nonsense ;)).

    2. Re:That's funny... by William+Robinson · · Score: 5, Informative
      In a way, you are right!! Read this from TFA

      Since the electron mediator is based on Vitamin K3, which exists in human bodies, it excels in safety and could in the future generate power from blood as an implant-type fuel cell)

      Though a bit distant, it might become possible to *fabricate* parts of bodies(not alone heart), that can be *powered* when implanted.

  6. Wanted: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now all we need is a way to darken the sky.

  7. Where's Neo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man, that seems awfully Matrix-y. I suppose it would be possible to power something nontrivial if you had enough people to do it...maybe prisons will no longer have electric bills eventually?

  8. 0.2 mW by Seigen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its interesting, but unless you can use multiple cells or something there is not enough power to run any kind of pump. Afaik one of the major issues with any kind of artificial heart is it kills some of the cells as it pumps. Still this kind of technology is definitely interesting, and who knows what might be possible in the long term.

    1. Re:0.2 mW by sznupi · · Score: 3, Informative

      But for pacemaker it should suffice I guess...

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  9. Dupe? by Escherial · · Score: 5, Informative

    Didn't slashdot report on this last year? Japanese researchers, check; using blood for energy, check...seems like a dupe, yeah.

    In any case, 0.2 milliwatts isn't exactly that much power: the AbiCor artificial heart documentation mentions that it consumes several watts from its external battery pack, a far cry from what this provides.

    Though, I can imagine a beowulf cluster of these. ;)

    1. Re:Dupe? by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe the article you're looking for is http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/0 4/2224201&tid=126&tid=14 . Very similar indeed...

  10. Location of power transfer zone by lahi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The ideal way to use this would IMO be to use it thought magnetic induction. That way, the device can be completely subcutaneous. It could be placed on several places in the body. To power a lower power device, you would simply place one or both hands on it (Like you naturally rest your wrists on a laptop) , or grab it, depending on the style of the device. For devices needing more power, induction zones could be placed on the rear upper thighs, simply requiring you to sit on the power receptor. I suppose the area would suffice to transfer a quite significant amount of power, of course depending on the size of your butt. As an added advantage it would provide built-in heating in the aforementioned places.

    -Lasse

  11. Naturally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    The power socket will be between the thighs...

    Oh... and only females can have the power sockets. Yeah, maybe that'll motivate all of us geeks to go and find some girlfriends. We need the power source!

    *SMACK*

    Oh sorry, I was having a geek wetdream. Reality is a harsh mistress.

    1. Re:Naturally... by William+Robinson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Uh... no officer... I was just trying to recharge my cell phone

    2. Re:Naturally... by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Funny
      The power socket will be between the thighs...

      Not quite; that's the on/off switch.

      Chii! ^_^

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  12. Weight Loss? by DaHat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know the poster was joking about the port... but such a concept is interesting, not for its laptop powering abilities... but for health and weight loss potential.

    Why go to the gym to work out and burn calories from when you can plug a small cord into your mid section that would enable the device to draw energy directly from your system... and when your blood was running low... fat stores would naturally be tapped.

    Result? Losing weight while reading /.

    1. Re:Weight Loss? by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why go to the gym? You don't just burn calories. You strengthen your muscles and help the cardiovascular system. I suppose the second one would be taken care of by this plug, because the heart doesn't care where the blood is going, only that it's going and needs to be replentished. But other muscles would not benefit at all from this. But the problem is even deeper than this. A significant drain on blood energy would seriously fuck with your body. Would you release endorphines from this? Would your body know to get out of breath? Would your heart rate increase? I dunno... it could be dangerous.

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  13. weight loss by dukerobinson · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suspect that this technology could be part of a comprehensive weight loss strategy. Eat all you want, and burn the calories by powering gadgets! exciting :-)

  14. Where? by dougmc · · Score: 5, Funny
    So where should I have my laptop power port installed?
    Bend over. I'll show you ...
  15. Beautiful... by Dopefish128 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The poll's missing an option now.

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  16. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?!-Alimony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We're totally bound to see Vampire robots!"

    Met the ex-wife, have you?

  17. Re:Some kind of limit? by Rangerk8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hypoglycemia would indeed be a concern. However, the possibilities are intriguing for Type 2 diabetics, who are usually insulin resistant and have way too much glucose in their blood. If a fuel cell can use up that extra glucose, they might actually be able to make a device that would monitor, record, and lower the blood glucose level to normal or thereabouts. Imagine, diabetics could actually wind up producing more power than they use...

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  18. Re:One step closer... by maharg · · Score: 4, Funny

    behold the iClot !

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  19. Re:Some kind of limit? by ashridah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The electrons don't just vanish.
    If they did, the energy released would probably turn us into miniature suns the moment we turned one of these on.

    It's more likely that the now unstable glucose molecules will break down into carbon dioxide and urea, consuming some oxygen in the process, much like it does when consumed by a normal cell. One presumes the spent potential from the electrons will result in the electrons returning to the blood stream.

    And yeah, pushing this too hard would probably fairly easily kill the user, (read, a laptop at 60-100Watts? i doubt it. maybe a trickle charger for the battery :) ).
    A well controlled system could easily result in an acceptable increase in energy consumption, which would result in weight loss, without actually exercising (also, not a good thing, since the muscles aren't going to develop, but the fat will be consumed, leaving the user with no way to keep warm). One presumes that anyone using a device like this would be on a strict high-glucose intake diet.

    of course, this is conjecture, i've only done basic biology and chemistry :)

    Andrew

  20. So with a Pentium and Microsoft, by noidentity · · Score: 3, Funny

    they'll be actual blood-suckers.

  21. Next time I'm seated on an airplane.... by cryptocom · · Score: 5, Funny

    and the guy next to me stops working on his laptop and starts looking at me weird, I'm gonna freak.

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  22. Just one question... by ro_coyote · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do I have enough blood to boot Longhorn, or should I wait for the Service Pack?

  23. Solution by Daath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone should just buy a hummer.

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  24. glucose monitor by bodrell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've got mod points today, but so far no one has said much of interest on this topic. The best use of this device would be monitors for blood sugar levels, to be transmitted to an insulin pump. Having an implanted glucose monitor would remove all the guesswork from insulin administration.

    Note: I'm not saying that the device would lower glucose levels by consuming glucose, but since it is powered by sugar, the current should be proportional to the amount of sugar. If blood sugar is high, the implant's signal is high, and the pump delivers more insulin. No real logic required. That's why it's such a good fit. And they say so in the article:

    The newly developed cell in the size of a tiny coin is able to generate 0,2 milliwatts of electricity, enough to power a device that measures blood sugar level and transmits data elsewhere, the group said.
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    1. Re:glucose monitor by smallfries · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was wondering about doing it the other way round. What if it could scale up to something that could reduce the glucose levels in the blood? This would be a type of cure for diabetes - both monitoring the blood sugar levels and then reducing them when they get too high. Keeping the glucose level in the right band isn't a complete fix but it would prevent any collapse or coma.

      My first thought was shame hypoglycemics won't be able to use it, but then if it is only generating 0.2mw its hard to say just how much glucose it will use. Probably not much.

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  25. "Processors", not "power supply" by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Informative

    When Morpheus said they believe the Matrix uses people as a power source for the machines, I thought "Lisa! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!", but on their web site I found a more coherant explanation, written by Neil Gaiman.

    Unfortunatly, they discarded the better writer's explanation and went ahead with their sillyness in the sequels. But you can still read the short story (it's on the first DVD, too).

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