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A Step Toward the Diamond Age

An anonymous reader writes "Carnegie Institution researchers have learned to produce 10-carat, half-inch thick diamonds at rates of about 100 micrometers per hour, which in the diamond biz is blazingly fast. And these aren't cruddy, yellow diamonds either, but gem-quality stones. The goal: A 300 carat beast in whatever shape they want."

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  1. From the source by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:From the source by wikdwarlock · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ikuma diamonds, from Canada, are not blood diamonds. There are also a few other branded diamonds from Canada which involve none of the nasty warlord/slavery issues of African diamonds.

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  2. Excellent by PeteDotNu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eventually they'll be so common that they'll be pretty much worthless!

    Viva la fight against capitalism!

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    1. Re:Excellent by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Also, the price of diamonds is the result of biggest marketing scams of the century. It's pretty much only the last 100-150 years when they were promoted as the #1 gem in jewelry. In ancient/medieval/renaissance times, diamonds weren't held in that much esteem -- coloured gems like rubys were considered more valuable.

      Knocking off the price of diamonds is a great thing. I couldn't care less for jewelry, and without the artificially inflated price, we'll be able to use one of the best materials when it comes to hardness, certain conducting properties and so on. Similarily, you can coat connectors with a thin layer of gold to improve them, but it's an expensive thing to do because people tend to hog all gold reserves for monetary purposes.

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    2. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is true, the value of a diamond is way too inflated. However, it's only one way inflation. Try to re-sell that diamond you just bought, and you'll know what I mean. The DeBeers family worked it right though!

      That said, one of the reasons diamonds have a higher value now than they used to is partially due to new cutting techniques. I'm pretty sure most /.ers aren't very interested in diamonds, but there are a number of modern techniques, some of which even have patents on them. The particular cuts make use of the refraction index in order to create very bright points on the polished surface, which creates the glittery effect. Check out old victorian era antique diamond jewelry. They look dull, and it's no polishing will bring them up to par with modern diamonds. That's also why the artificial 1/2" diamond in the picture doesn't look that shiny, even though it's semi-polished. Actually, the inscriptions on the said diamond make a great demonstration for the laser, but totally fsck up the brilliance of the diamond itself...

      I'm sorta interested to see what levels of impurities these artificials have. In the natural world, the larger the diamond is, the more likely there's a significant impurity in it. Impurities drive down the price of diamonds significantly. Also, being not-so-yellow isn't good enough, there are multiple levels of clearness when grading diamonds, so I'm also interested to see exactly HOW clear these diamonds are. Now, if they can create a 300 carat diamond with color D and clarity SI2 to IF, whoa, run for your money DeBeers!

    3. Re:Excellent by sakri · · Score: 5, Funny

      I for one look forwards my kids watching old MTV videos, and laughing at 50cent's and his homeys wearing worthless rocks around their necks :)

    4. Re:Excellent by nickco3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It doesn't matter. Some other rare thing will replace the diamond and nobody will want diamonds anymore (except for industrial purposes)

      Or, perhaps diamonds will be household items and practically everywhere? The Queen of England's jewelry collection contains aluminium pieces that were fantastically valuable when they were originally given to Queen Victoria. Today, mass-produced aluminium jewelry is so cheap it is normally described as 'imitation'.

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    5. Re:Excellent by Gumph · · Score: 5, Informative

      although I agree with your statement on the colour aspect I don't think SI2 is a 'good' level of inclusions
      for those of you not up on your diamond clarity scale it goes:

      ** Best at Top **
      IF (Internally flawless)
      VVSI1-VSI2 (Very Very Small Inclusions)
      VSI1-VSI2 (Very Small Inclusions)
      SI1-SI2 (Small Inclusions)
      I1-I3 (inclusions)
      so as can be seen a grade fo SI2 is pretty bad, I would say DeBeers need a good colour plus a good clarity, nothing less than VS1 IMHO. And just for completeness the colour scale goes from D (the best - clear or blue) to Z (yellow), so again they would not want anything less than G or H I would think, seeing as how hard it is to get a pure D diamond.

      plus I don't think man made diamonds are ever going to eclipse natural ones for jewelry, there is just no cache (can't be bothered to find the accented e at the end of that word) attached to them.

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    6. Re:Excellent by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      . . .the larger the diamond is, the more likely there's a significant impurity in it. Impurities drive down the price of diamonds significantly.

      Which they have because they are created in an impure environment. Even with current technology one of the ways to identify a man made diamond is that it's "too pure" and "too perfect."

      Thus DeBeers again have managed to have it both ways. Purity drives up the cost of a natural diamond, but makes a man made diamond worth less.

      You're trying to apply logic to the matter.

      Silly boy.

      KFG

    7. Re:Excellent by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      . . .it's an expensive thing to do because people tend to hog all gold reserves for monetary purposes.

      When someone recently asked me what the current value of gold was, and I answered:

      "Well, pretty much the same as always. It's got a low melting temperature, can often be found in a fairly pure state, it's highly maleable, doesn't oxidize,conducts electricity reasonably well and it's kinda pretty if that's the sort of thing you think is pretty."

      They looked at me funny.

      KFG

  3. They'll get their grants revoked by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you want to bet how long it will take for a certain criminal, monopolistic, little-african-children abusing cartel to have the research grants revoked, and if that fails, to have an accident happen to the scientists in question?

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    1. Re:They'll get their grants revoked by La+Camiseta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're completely overlooking the fact that some much larger industries are probably frothing at the mouth when hearing about this (namely the tech industry). Intel, AMD, IBM, and the like have wanted the ability to use diamonds instead of copper in chips for ages. With this ability, they can push clock speeds (and consequently temps) into ranges previously unheard of without worrying about melting the innards of the processor.

      I can just about guarantee you that if they were to get their funding revoked because of DeBeers, then those scientists could just as easily go to some of the major chip manufacturers and find levels of funding that they wouldn't even be able to dream of while working in academia.

    2. Re:They'll get their grants revoked by strider44 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe they want to use it instead of silicon as opposed to copper because of it's semiconductor capabilities.

    3. Re:They'll get their grants revoked by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 5, Informative

      It does happen.

      I know a journalist who did a lot of research into DeBeers and wrote a number of articles and a book about them was attacked and systematically beaten up, which necessitated a stay in hospital for several months.

      Other companies doing research into artificial diamonds have claimed that they believe that their senior employees could be targets for assasination.

      Think about how much the diamond industry is worth, and the lengths that some people might be prepared to go to in order to protect it.

    4. Re:They'll get their grants revoked by Andy_R · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's just one of it's impressive properties:

      Diamond is the best heat conductor known to man, if long thin cylindrical diamonds were available, they would be in huge demand to pipe heat out of CPUs.

      Diamonds are ridiculously strong when used in composites, if you thought plain old glass-fibre and carbon fire were strong, simply replace the glass or carbon with diamond, and you have a strength to weight ratio that is unheard of.

      Diamonds can be amazingly transparent and durable too of course.

      If diamonds become cheap enough, our laptops will have diamond as the substrate for the chips, as heat-pipes, as reinforcement in the cases, and as the top layer of the screen.

      As the song (nearly) says... Diamonds are a geek's best friend!

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    5. Re:They'll get their grants revoked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think this is who he's talking about. Specifically, this excerpt talks a little about the assault on her. It's just a sample from the book. I haven't read the book yet. Of course I could be wrong and he's talking about someone else altogether. In the end though, I find it hard to believe that a cartel that engages in the kinds of labor practices that the diamond cartel does would have any qualms about assault, battery or even assassination. We see it all the time in the drug industry and other organized crime. The diamond cartel isn't really any better.

  4. Depending on the price by chrono13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some of us could finally get lucky.

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  5. finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We can finally end world hunger with an ampel supply of artifical carrots for everyone!

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  6. Re:I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Diamonds actually don't last forever, actually. Thermodynamically, it's in the favor of the graphite form of carbon. So all diamonds will eventually turn into graphite.

    So whenever you go into a jeweler's shop, try to use that fact to bring the price down.

  7. Re:Ugh... by jurt1235 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe that is why DeBeers is fighting this kind of efforts, especially since these artificially produced ones are of better quality than the real ones.

    Diamonds are not beautifull when you find them. It is a like a little rock, rough surface, irregular shape, until the cutting and polishing takes place. These artificially made diamonds (it is a diamond, DeBeers does it not want to have that name), are having the basic shapes and most likely will need less cutting.

    When there are enough diamonds available, I guess that we will find new applications for it, more usefull applications than a show off how rich we are.

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  8. The many possibilities by mister_tim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw a documentary on TV last year about a firm that is now 'growing' diamonds - sounded similar to this. Anyway, they were growing them at an incredible rate and they were completely flawless (although i don't know that they were able to specify a size).

    On the show, they also talked to a rep from De Beers and a diamond merchant. They basically said that the grown diamonds were almost too good. Despite being a bibt worried about it, they seemed like they would adapt to the new environment. De Beers marketing strategy against something like that would be to promote the classical beauty of natural diamonds, or something like that - basically, advertise the 'snob' value of classically mined diamonds, even if they are less perfect.

    On a separate note, I am looking forward to advances in Teflon.

    I remember Dr Karl Kruszelnicki (Australians would know who he is) talking at my High School during our final year. Someone posed the old favourite question, "if nothing sticks to teflon, how come it sticks to the frying pan?". Apart from his answer, he did one of his trade-mark tangential replies and said that teflon is soft and therefore scracthes easily, but if you could combine teflon with diamonds, then you'd have a surface that nothing sticks to and that wouldn't scrartch. Of course, diamonds are too expensive for that.

    So, with the rise of grown diamonds, I look forward to many advances in easy to use cooking gear.

    Thank you for your time.

    1. Re:The many possibilities by viking099 · · Score: 5, Interesting


      This was a very interesting article and has made me afraid of buying diamonds. It's like buying a car and having it depreciate faster than the stock market crash.


      Very few diamonds have any resale value. Only high profile (the Hope diamond, royal jewels, etc) or "fancy" (pink, bright yellow, black, etc) stones have any investment value. For most of those kinds of stones, you'd wind up paying more for the history of the stone than the stone itself.

      Everyday people will rarely is ever see any positive return on their diamond purchase. The second-hand diamond market is nearly nonexistant. If you don't believe me, go to your local pawn shop and see how much they'll give you for a diamond ring.

      If you're buying a diamond ring, you should go into it knowing that it will have very little monetary value once you've purchased it. You should purchase it for the pleasure that the recipient will have from getting it. Despite their negative reputation and horrid investment value, they're still pretty and have emotional value.

  9. A good time to postulate? by jigyasubalak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That every 18 months the maximum growable size of an artificial diamond will double.

    --A La Moore's Law

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    1. Re:A good time to postulate? by flynns · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but who's gonna remember "Jigyasubalak's Law"?

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  10. Blood Diamonds and de Beers by Demerara · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Slashdotters who regularly vent their anger at Micro$oft's monopoly should read about the diamond industry, monopoly and de Beers.

    Unlke MS, the diamond trade costs lives. Sierra Leone, Libera and other West African countries are in ruins because of conflict diamonds. A good book is Blood Diamonds which tells the story of how gems destroyed Sierra Leone.

    So, roll on artifical gems I say.

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  11. Re:unfortunately by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this really is a marketing thing, maybe it's high time for some counter-marketing.

    I, for one, would very much prefer a man-made diamond.

    A pretty rock which somebody found in a hole is nice, but a man-made diamond is a testament to the wonders of modern engineering.

    I would love it if some company were to start selling high-dollar jewelry made exclusively with man-made gems. Call them "artisan crafted" stones or something.

    If DeBeers can run a few ads around Valentine's Day to create the illusion that mined stones are worth more than they really are, it seems to me somebody could do the same thing to elevate the perceived value of the man-made ones.

    Play the angles just right, and you will have women refusing to consider accepting flawed, irregular, "natrual" stones (which were probably dug up using child labor) as a gift, insisting on the "real" lab-made diamonds, which are perfect.

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  12. Re:Why are diamonds precious ?.. by geekwench · · Score: 5, Informative
    Unsurprisingly enough, DeBeers is already trying to have non-mined diamonds declared "not diamonds". None of the colored stones that are grown in the lab have ever faced this kind of legal and semantic challenge, probably because there's no Colored Stone Cartel (TM) governing their pricing and availability.

    Generally speaking, lab-grown crystals of any material used as a gemstone -- most notably the corundum group (sapphires and rubies) -- will have fewer imperfections than mined stones. Both the growth process and the "ingredients" are controlled. There are some trade-offs, though: most lab rubies tend to look pinkish and glassy in comparison to mined rubies, because the growth process is so fast. Lab-grown emeralds usually have too much of a blue tint, and that gives them away. When the only use is in jewelry, appearance is the overriding consideration.

    However, that's not the case here. Most lab-created corundum, for instance, isn't used in the jewelry trade. Since it was first "grown" in the late 1800s, various industrial and commercial applications have accounted for most of the production. One example is the "glass" plate over the laser in the grocery barcode scanner: actually made from colorless "sapphire" because it is both harder and tougher than glass. The same goes for lab-created diamonds, which can be used in all kinds of ways. A quick Google search on technological applications turns up a whole mess of hits, and you can see for yourself what one of the manufacturers has to say about potential uses.

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  13. Listen people... by LittleBigLui · · Score: 5, Funny

    if anyone tells my girlfriend, they'll die a slow and horrible death.

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  14. HA! by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 5, Funny

    You call that a diamond?

    This is a diamond.