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IE7 Will Have Tabbed Browsing
loconet writes that early yesterday morning, "Dean Hachamovitch, IE product unit manager, confirmed that IE7, like Opera and Firefox first did years ago, will have tabbed browsing as one of its new features. Asa Dotzler,from Mozilla, points out that Dean reminds IE users who have not upgraded to XP that tabbed browsing can be added to IE through 3rd-party add-ons." cryptoz adds a link to this InformationWeek story which says that the tabs will be very "'basic' due to fears from Microsoft that tabbed browsing might scare off too many users. The feature is only being included because IE is slipping in the browser share market."
Ah the old Slashdot spin machine... actually if you read the IE Blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/default.aspx the developers are clear that they made the WRONG decision in avoiding tabs the first time, and the tabs will be basic only at the time of beta, but they will be adding more features afterwards.
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/15/232720 4&tid=113
...except that they can't because of the anti-trust settlement from the browser wars. Remember, Explorer is an integral part of the OS, NOT A competing browser designed to force Netscape out of the market.
Tabs are turn offable in Firefox. Sheeesh. In fact, it took me fiddling with the settings to make it so new windows don't pop up.
When MS came out with the 'un-removable' IE4, my roommate discovered that if you used the IE3 uninstaller on IE4, it uninstalled cleanly...
Yep... technical necessity.....
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Not sure if it will work on IE (never tried, but I don't see why not), but I found that the equally annoying MSN messenger had an awfully hard time popping itself up unexpectely once I'd deleted all of its files.
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I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Tabs are patented in general by Adobe.
Tabs in browsers were created by BookLink Technologies in Internet Works. This was follwed by netcaptor(based on IE).
Tabbed browsing is not a creation by Mozilla or Netscape. But Firefox would be the first widely deployed Tabbed browser.
OmniWeb?
It's got thumbnail/tabs.
be seeing you.
Firefox - Ctrl Tab
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Its actually a crappy feature of the OS itself...allowing one program to grab focus while you are typing something / about to click something is just plain stupid. Can be fixed using one of the settings in TweakUI, available as a free download from the MS website.
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Ctrl+tab between tabs, alt+tab between windows. Easy enough for you?
If I have 20 Internet Explorer windows open, I can navigate between them using the Taskbar's "(20) Internet Explorer" collapsed button or with the ALT-TAB window switcher.
Ever heard of CTRL-TAB? for switching windows inside a browser? Or any other standard-compliant application for that matter.
Personally I prefer to be able to switch to another application when using ALT-TAB without having to go trough my 20 tabs before I get the app I want. But that may just be me. And my window-management is not thrown off in any way. On the contrary tabbed browsing has enhanched it.
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That's why I like how OS X handles this. Cmd-Tab to switch apps, Cmd-` to switch between windows within an app.
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Couple that with the miniT extension which allows you to drag and organize tabs, and you've got way more functionality than just digging through 20 items on the taskbar.
The funny thing in the tabbed browsing argument from the M$ guy is that it really is just so not credible, and those people really seem to think users and others are just idiots.
"Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner," Hachamovitch wrote. "Initially, we had some concerns around complexity and consistencywill it confuse users more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell, don't have?"
Big lie. The simple fact that they didn't even consider making it optional is because with the current IE codebase, it's just plain impossible. Everyone knows how M$ can't create modular softwares. It s not the Windows OS, it's the M$ culture and the poor programming and software engineering that is part of their habits.Um, you do know that you always have the choice available to open a page in a new window, right?
So what are you bitching about? If you want to pull it directly from your task bar use a window, if you would rather nest it with one window with some other pages, use a tab. Once you start using tabs, you will find that they are very handy.
Congratulations, Microsoft! With this new feature, IE users will at last be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the cutting edge of three years ago.
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Well, I imagine you had to find a setting to make middle clicking open a new window in the first place. I'm constantly bringing up that stupid scroll icon when I absent-mindedly middle click in IE at work trying to open a link or paste some text.
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Ctrl-4 takes you directly to the 4th tab. Alt-tab still takes you between windows.
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Microsoft is saying that tabbed browsing is inconsistent with other parts of the OS. In fact, it's only inconsistent with what Microsoft is saying is proper design this week; they keep changing their minds.
Microsoft itself in the design specs they wrote years ago stated that MDI (multiple document interface) was the way all apps should be designed. Tabbed browsing is just a form of MDI. It's no different than if you had multiple documents open in a word processor; if you want to get to a specific one, you alt-tab to the word processor, and then ctrl-tab to the right document (or use the view or window menu item).
Microsoft has been backpedalling from MDI for a couple of years; the new versions of office open multiple windows when you open multiple documents. I find this quite irritating. I'm sure they did it because of the taskbar's collapse similar items thing, but I'd rather have MDI.
Ya know i just had a flashback of Tom Lerher's "Silent e".
o/~ Who can turn the internet into disease ridden pustule?.. just add eye-eee!
I believe the difference is that Word was converted into a true SDI app in O2K while Excel and Powerpoint are still MDI apps that pretend to be SDI by producing multiple icons in the taskbar. The behavior you describe in Excel is standard for all MDI applications it's just that Word's behavior is unusual in that it has a "fake" MDI close button below the titlebar close button.
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This is easily fixed with extensions. Try LastTab, MiniT, Single Window, and undoclosetab. Those extenstions give you a lot more control over your tabs in Firefox.
Time makes more converts than reason
From the blog:
Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell, don't have tabs?
Um, What's been at the bottom of Excel for over a decade? Oh, excuse me, those are "worksheets", not "tabs". How could I be so insensitive?
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Combine all this with TabBrowser Extensions and you have almost unlimited control. You can group tabs, move individual tabs around, give color to certain tabs, have multiple rows of tabs, change the tab width, change the position of tabs, change the tab Title, Auto reload tabs, save multiple browsing sessions(ie bookmark only if you need to) and tons more options.
Its got so many options that some people consider it too much and counter productive. However, when used properly I find this extension to be indespensible. When you first install this and restart Firefox, it will ask you what level of settings you want. Unless you feel adventurous, choose Minimal settings. Btw your settings can be saved and exported for use on another computer.
If you are a developer, specifically a web developer, then Firefox and/or Mozilla are the best thing going to cross reference your pages.
Basically, the rule is, if it runs in Firefox, it runs everywhere. PLUS, the javascript errors actually tell you what is broken on your page, not the generic, useless JScript errors.
Then there's the javascript popup blocker taht actually WORKS. And the ability to instantly add or remove pages to allow popups.
And the profile manager. And the password manager, which is so much better than IE it's like claiming that driving a car is better than walking.
Firfox gives users a choice to open in tabs or *gasp* new windows. So, if like me you like tabs, then use tabs. If not, use windows and have a ball.
Here are some Firefox hints.
- Hold down the shift key and click a link and it will open in a new window.
- Middle click to open a link in a new tab.
- Right click a link and pick between opening in a new tab or new window.
- Right click in a frame and pick view this frame in a new tab or new window.
The feature set goes on and on. Now throw in 100+ extensions and power of Firefox blows away IE.If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
Easy.
-type "about:config" in the address bar.
-type "middleclick" (one word) in the filter text box
-double click "browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick" so that the "value" is equal to "false"
Microsoft Office mostly ignores the "prevent focus grabbing" option. Some applications (Track-IT from Intuit comes to mind) also abuse the "focus follows mouse" option, jumping to the foreground when they get mouse focus.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I thought it was to improve reliability: when you had 6 documents open in Word, and because Word is so flaky, one rogue document could crash them all. Same with IE: One browser crash and everything closes.
Open a few Word windows, and take a look how many winword.exe processes are running - just the one. Kill that process and all instances close. I've not tested, but I'm sure a crash would kill all instances.
quite right. I manage my web this way. I put browser windows on different virtual desktops for the different browser based tasks I do, then tabs within for parts of that task in each of those browsers.
Who said that tab browsing and windows can be used at the same time? That's why they're so great.
In firefox this becomes even easier for stuff like reading my web-mail or whatever because when you bookmark you can bookmark all tabs in a folder, and then in that folder click "open all in tabs".
One of the first things I do when I log in is fire up firefox and then click on the "Mail" folder and open all in tabs and instantly load all my web-mail accounts.
By far my most used reason for tabs though is in something like google or slashdot, where there may be several links that I want to look at, but not immediatley, I want to continue working with this page, so good old middle click on those links, then I can review them when I'm done selecting what links interest me.