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Kudzu Helps Curb Binge Drinking

jeepliberty writes "CNN has a story that the invasive ground cover vegetation Kudzu is being tested to curb binge alcohol drinking. In the health story posted Monday, researchers at the Harvard-affiliated McClean Hospital in Boston stated that volunteers who were given kudzu drank about 50% less beer in a 90-minute period than the group that was given a plecebo. The kudzu group got just an intoxicated."

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  1. Well duh... by kniLnamiJ-neB · · Score: 4, Funny

    If someone gave me a kudzu leaf, I'd probably think I'd had too much to drink already.

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    1. Re:Well duh... by kniLnamiJ-neB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends... how long did it take you to consume them? 3 years, probably not. 3 minutes, probably so.

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  2. This just in... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's a quote from the Internet Health Library:

    ...both the roots and flowers of kudzu, Radix and Flos puerariae, respectively, have been used to treat alcohol abuse safely and effectively in China for more than a millennium.


    Next on CNN, researchers have determined that the sun rises in the east.
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    1. Re:This just in... by Lars+T. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, ground horn of rhinoceros and dried tiger penis has been used to treat impotence and other ailments "safely and effectively" in China for for more than a millennium. Guess that has to work too.

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    2. Re:This just in... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny


      Well, ground horn of rhinoceros and dried tiger penis has been used to treat impotence and other ailments "safely and effectively" in China for for more than a millennium. Guess that has to work too.

      Please cite your references.

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    3. Re:This just in... by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Funny
      Please cite your references.

      What is this, a post for the sake of posting something? References? How about thousands of years of documented literature, lore, endangered species cries (you know, kill tiger, take penis, leave remains to rot. Ditto rhino and horn), black market crackdowns, illegal imports into North America, Europe et al?

      You demanded references, I ask that you wait until you have something constructive to contribute before wailing on the Reply link.

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    4. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can start with the 1976 Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species rhino ban agreement. I know that happened probably a good 15 years before you were born, which is like, o-my-god, soooo long ago...

  3. Find a wall to hang-over by mathmatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Kudzu grows as fast as one foot per day.

    If only beer grew this fast in the wild!

  4. So... by GypC · · Score: 4, Funny
    Kudzu's incredible rate of growth and expansion of territory is just God's way of telling us we drink too damn much.

    "Here eat some already! It's all over the place now. And lay off the sauce."

  5. Not so sure by jtshaw · · Score: 3, Funny

    So it makes you feel drunker quicker eh? So instead of having 2 beers in 2 hours and driving safely home I could have 2 beers in 2 hours and get a DUI?

    1. Re:Not so sure by swillden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So instead of having 2 beers in 2 hours and driving safely home I could have 2 beers in 2 hours and get a DUI?

      Since it enhances the effects, you could have one beer in two hours and feel and act the same as if you'd had two. So a breathalyzer or blood test would show a lower level of alcohol relative to the amount of impairment. If kudzu use becomes widespread we may have to adjust the legal BAC limits, or test for the kudzu-derived compound.

      On the other hand, since you've consumed less alcohol, and presumably the kudzu doesn't change the rate at which you metabolize the alcohol, your level of impairment should decline much faster. So as long as you can wait long enough to metabolize most of a beer before driving, you should be even less impaired than if you'd had two beers and no kudzu.

      Looking at it that way, it sounds like kudzu+alcohol is to alcohol as crack is to cocaine... it intensifies the effects of the underlying drug, thereby reducing the amount needed and shortening the "high". I have to wonder if that's really a good thing! Luckily, alcohol is much less addictive than cocaine.

      Disclaimer: this comment is from a non-drinker who has no firsthand knowledge of the effects of alcohol.

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    2. Re:Not so sure by beorach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Based on the article it looks like BAC level is still elevated similarly as the control. This is an important point of the article... It would follow that the kudzu is making the alcohol travel through the stomach lining and into the bloodstream faster. But, on the flip-side, your liver metabolizes alcohol at a basically fixed rate. Try this experiment with real alocoholics (or hardened binge drinkers) that don't naturally moderate their own consumption based on thier perceived level of enebriation, and they could possibly drink themselves into a coma.

  6. Increased BAC levels by quintiusc · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article states that the BAC levels in the kudzu group were still raised. This is the most dangerous part of binge drinking which leaves me wondering if using it is really safer. It may help break the habit but doesn't seem like it's safe method of trying to be able to drive home sooner.

  7. Scientists aren't naive, they just need proof. by xplenumx · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the academic paper:

    The use of herbal plants to treat alcohol-related diseases dates back to 600 AD. One such Chinese herbal medicine XJL (NPI-028), has long been used to reduce the inebriation that results from alcohol consumption. NPI-028 contains the extracts of several plants including Pueraria lobata (kudzu) and Citrus reticulata, which were recorded in an ancient Chinese materia medica entitled Ben Cho Gang Mu (li, 1590-1696 AD) and have long been used to lessen alcohol intoxication (antidrunkenness) (Sun, circa 600 AD). However, it is difficult to assess the real efficacy of kudzu based on these writings because they are primarily anecdotal in nature.

    The scientists were very well aware of the ancient literature. However, the article continues to site sources showing that Kadzu has been extensively tested and no antidrunkenness effect was found. What makes this study new is that they isolated and concentrated the active ingredient that causes the effect (isoflavones). The study used an isoflavones concentration of 25% - in contrast the highest concentration that you can buy on the market is 1-2%, with the ranges varying widely within samples from the same manufacturer.

    This study doesn't state that the sun rises in the east; it suggests that perhaps the earth revolves around the sun.

  8. The cure may be worse than the disease. by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently read a book about nutrition by Dr. Willet of the Harvard School of Public Health in which he discusses the effects of alcohol consumption on overall mortality rate.

    Alcohol has a prophylactic effect against heart disease (and stroke? I'm not sure if I remember this correctly). If you plot mortality rates against drinks per day, people who have one to two drinks a day have a lower mortality rate than people who drink either less or more.

    It gets really interesting when you disaggregate the data by type of mortality. As people drink more, their chance of dying from things like heart disease continue to drop. The marginal effect is still pretty dramatic at three or even four drinks. However, above one drink per day deaths from accidents starts to rise extremely rapidly.

    So -- we may have a medicine here that is worse than the disease.

    You get just as impaired after one to two drinks as you do after three or four, so you have the same chance of doing something boneheaded and killing yourself. However, you don't get the cardiovascular benefits.

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    1. Re:The cure may be worse than the disease. by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

      But... all that tells us is people who drink more tend to die from other causes before they'd die from (or develop) heart disease. As you stated: "However, above one drink per day deaths from accidents starts to rise extremely rapidly.

      I think you might have more of a point if the effect started at four or five drinks, but most of the benefit comes from the first drink. Also, if your theory was correct, then as mortality from accident rises dramatically at three to four drinks, the mortality from heart attacks would fall even more rapidly. Howver it does not; the marginal benefit drops dramatically from one to two to three drinks.

      To my mind this argues that both factors are independent.

      In any case, the overall mortality rate is low enough at the levels we are talking (zero to four drinks), that population effects aren't significant. However, among people who drink ten or fifteen drinks a day, it is likely that those people kill themselves at a sufficient rate to alter other mortality rates.

      If I recall directly, these results come from longitudinal studies such as the Framingham study and the Nurses Health study; which makes them about as solid as any epidemiological data is. To do a controlled study, you'd, er, have to assign people to the five or six drink a day group. There might be some ethical considerations...

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    2. Re:The cure may be worse than the disease. by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In other news, researchers have proven that performing trapeze acts without a net dramatically reduces that chances that a person will die of heart disease. Astonishingly, persons with less skill in acrobatics show the greatest overall reduction in heart disease deaths!

      Maybe not so astonishing. What is astonishing is that the people who only do one net-less trapeze act a day have a lower mortality rate than the people sitting int the audience....

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    3. Re:The cure may be worse than the disease. by hubie · · Score: 2, Informative
      Have there been any controlled studies?
      Apparently so. Here is a post I made yesterday which just scratches the surface. That post was based on my memory and some quick Googling. Here is another place to start.
  9. Over-the-Counter Kadzu didn't work. by xplenumx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before you all run out and start munching on Kudzu, you should note that the study had the participants take 1000mg of concentrated Kudzu extract containing 25% isoflavones twice per day over a period of one week. In contrast, the article reports that when they tested over-the-counter preparations of kudzu, "none of the preparations contained more than 2% isoflavones, and most contained less that 1%". In order achieve the same dose used by the researchers, one would have to consume a minimum of 12.5 grams of over-the-counter preparations twice per day. Researchers tried using over-the-counter Kadzu in the past but didn't see any effect until the isoflavones were concentrated.

  10. Why is this newsworthy? by MarkusQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, come on! Anyone who's ever dealt with it knows that kudzu stops everything.

    Why not say "kudzu stops house panting" or "kudzu stops lawn mowing" or "kudzu stops grocery shopping" or "kudzu stops carjackings" or...well, the point is, unless you fight back with a nuke-it-from-orbit mentality, kudzu stops everything.

    What? They ate it? Eeew.

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  11. New market - the 20oz!! by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 2, Informative

    How long before 40oz manufactures start adding kudzu to their malt liquor, bottling it in 20oz bottles and charging twice as much?

    Or hell, add it to a regular 40oz, and call it an (80)oz.

    BTW - i call dibbs on these ideas! You all are my witnesses.

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  12. I drank lots of alcohol but by PaddyM · · Score: 2, Funny

    when I tried kudzu, it said that my brain appeared to have been removed. Would I want to:
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  13. rahh, you're missing the point here ... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Lukas was not certain why but speculated that kudzu increases blood alcohol levels and speeds up its effects. More simply put, the subjects needed fewer beers to feel drunk."

    I REPEAT :" THE SUBJECTS NEEDED FEWER BEERS TO FEEL DRUNK"

    Now that I brought the important point to your attention, please consider the difference.

    On one side a process to cure drunkeness
    On the other side the same process to get me high faster on less money...

    as MY beer sure ain't free, this mean that grazing a few kudzu leaves as an appetizer will find me dancing half naked after two shots...

    Next thing we hear, kudzu will become a rarity as all night clubs in the world are collecting as much as they can so their parties can be more fun 8)

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    1. Re:rahh, you're missing the point here ... by bcattwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Too bad this new didn't come out sooner. With all the end of year frat parties that have probably been going on we could have nipped this kudzu problem in bud.

  14. New hardware? by youknowmewell · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was wondering what Kudzu had to do with decreasing drinking? I'd think that if Kudzu didn't find your new hardware it would actually have the opposite effect.

  15. How long before they ban kudzu? by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With major beer producers now adulterating their products with such odd additives as guarana and caffeine, they would have to be worried that if a couple of herbal pills meant that Joe Nineteenyrold would only need a beer or two before he's blitzed, their profits would be hurt. How long before the big brewers and distillers lobby for a ban?

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  16. Re:Vegetal medicines... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Informative
    I suppose there is an important placebo effect as well...

    RTFA. They gave a placebo for a control group.

    Gingko Biloba and such things...all quack medicine...

    "Quack medicine" better decribes what managed care dishes out than it describes the clinical use of traditional medicinal herbs.

    If you're interested in the scientific and reductionist research into herbal preparations rather than spouting FUD, I suggest you search PubMed.

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