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New Shoe Designed to Kick-Start Couch Potatoes

Terremoto writes "A student at west London's Brunel University has developed a shoe with a pedometer that controls the amount of time a TV will remain lit. If sufficient activity has not been achieved the TV remains uncooperative. The device is appropriately named, "Square-Eyes"."

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  1. Uh... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First reaction, cute, but what a stupid idea. I won't even go into how this is a technological innovation to enforce parenting, but if you really
    wanted to make sure someone was active instead of watching too much tv, why not hook an exercise bike up to a generator. You can watch tv as long
    as you pedal. This would sour kids on TV pretty quick, or get some exercise out of them. Either way, not a bad idea.

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    1. Re:Uh... by peculiarmethod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      his would sour kids on TV pretty quick, or get some exercise out of them. Either way, not a bad idea.

      Ummmm, no. You will force your kids to then go to their FRIENDS house, where their parents don't force anyone to ride a damn bike to watch the weather channel or MTV. Getting your kids to go away won't make them better people. Education and quality time (excersizing WITH THEM) is the key.. not Pavlovian training.

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    2. Re:Uh... by AnotherFreakboy · · Score: 4, Funny
      And then there is the potential for encouraging even further laziness.

      "I can't reach the remote, but if I sit here long enough the TV will turn itself off."
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    3. Re:Uh... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always liked the idea of rowing-machine handles in place of the space bar or enter key.... just posting on slashdot I'd look like Mr. Universe. Or, I'd stop posting on slasdot and feel better anyway.

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    4. Re:Uh... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thank you. I'm sure you will be/are a good father/mother.

    5. Re:Uh... by End11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, what your saying is, we need some sort of surgically implanted electrode in their head that will SHOCK them if they watch tv, no matter where they try to watch it? I like your thinking!

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    6. Re:Uh... by miskate · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, someone already did a study featuring exactly that a few years ago. I can't remember the details of the study, but what actually happened was that the kids stopped watching tv almost entirely and went outside to play instead.

    7. Re:Uh... by dotgain · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Ditto. I am a parent of two, and hope there's plenty more people like 'peculiarmethod' still around.

      What is it with high-tech solutions to low-tech problems? I remember being asked (as a sysadmin at my last job) what a guy could do to stop his kid being exposed to naughty stuff on the net. My answer, "Be a parent to your son, not a sysadmin"

    8. Re:Uh... by Feztaa · · Score: 3, Funny

      You will force your kids to then go to their FRIENDS house, where their parents don't force anyone to ride a damn bike to watch the weather channel or MTV.

      Clearly, we must pass a law to for ALL televisions to be retrofitted with the bicycle generator as their sole source of power! Think of the children!

    9. Re:Uh... by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is it with high-tech solutions to low-tech problems?

      This borders on hypocrisy. Every parent is guilty one way or another of taking the easy way out with their children, or setting a poor example. How many times has any given parent really been a good example when they add up their monthly bills on a calculator while their kids are struggling in math and are told by the parent they need to learn to do the problems on paper. Heck, I even switched to an analog wristwatch while they were learning to tell time.

      This isn't the "Hi honey, I'm home" 1950/60 era anymore. The Square Eyes device has some merit for families where both parents work. The after school baby sitter (ANY baby sitter) cannot be fully trusted to follow a strict set of television watching rules. Square Eyes (and similar devices) can at least help ensure privileges can be limited if that's desired.

    10. Re:Uh... by MicroBerto · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The after school baby sitter (ANY baby sitter) cannot be fully trusted to follow a strict set of television watching rules.

      Ummm... why not? If you're paying a baby sitter, make them enforce the damned rules or get another one.

      Or sign them up for an after-school sport/chess club/activity/whatever. No TV there.

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    11. Re:Uh... by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Funny
      I've always liked the idea of rowing-machine handles in place of the space bar or enter key.... just posting on slashdot I'd look like Mr. Universe.

      I'vegotoneofthosekeyboards,itworksreallywelltoen forceexcersize.I'vebeenusingitforsixmonthsnowbutIh aven't lostanyweight.

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  2. Yeah, I'll run down to the store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And buy a pair... right after this show is over.

    1. Re:Yeah, I'll run down to the store by dotgain · · Score: 2, Funny
      Reminds me of a device sold in the 80's to "help" people stop smoking. It was in the form of a plastic box with a lockable top and an electronic timer. The time between being "allowed" a smoke got increasingly larger, until one was supposedly weaned off. Of course, you still had to buy your smokes (in an insecure cardboard box) and responsibly chuck all 20 inside the locking box when that packet ran out.

      Guess how well that worked...

      Pity, I was a kid at the time, you'd think the pity I had on the smokers at the time would have kept me miles away from them.

  3. Maybe by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they could somehow program it for those of us who , (guilty) surf the web for hours on end, sitting in front of the computer... Until then, I will continue to wander the net...

  4. Finally! by Karl+Tacheron · · Score: 5, Funny

    A use for the "feet" category!

  5. Sounds like a great idea... by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    until people remember the "tumble no heat" setting on their dryer while they're looking for the receipt to return the damn thing.

  6. Nice idea... by thegoogler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but truly lazy people will always find a way to be lazy. they'll just pick up the shoes and shake them, or somesuch. to make it think they walked. as with previous idea's like this, its worthless if its even semi-easily trickable

  7. Side Effect by MooseByte · · Score: 4, Funny
    "developed a shoe with a pedometer that controls the amount of time a TV will remain lit."

    Immediately creating a kids' grey market of slipping allowances to other kids to wear these shoes on behalf of the targeted couch potato.

    $5 per hour's worth of TV time, $15 during Sweeps Week.

  8. Yeah, right. by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Day one: Wow, look at this new thing i got, it'll motivate me to run. *run run run* *watch TV*
    Day two:*run run* *watch TV*
    Day three: Damn, my favorite show is on but i haven't run enough, i'll disconnect the running thing just this once...
    THE END.

  9. Demoralize a kid why don't you by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its hard enough to play slow stages on DDR. If you make the television shut off if he's not dancing fast enough, that's just cruel.

  10. Completely Untrue by heptapod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:
    "Today's children are exposed to a raft of television programmes and children's channels. Ten years ago, children were entertained by playing games with their friends, now they are cooped up in their bedrooms watching hours of television programmes," she said.

    Ten years ago, 1995, kids were pursuing a sedentary lifestyle of watching TV and playing videogames with their friends.

    1. Re:Completely Untrue by meatflower · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This brings up a good point actually. A lot of people are used to saying "10 years ago....", but they're really refering to the 80's, or even sometimes earlier. 20 years ago? yeah, children were probably playing more board games or playing with their friends than watching tv or videogames, but 10 years ago? Like the original poster said, yeah right, that was 1995!

      These "experts" need to wake up and realise that we're not living in the 90's anymore.

    2. Re:Completely Untrue by Doomstalk · · Score: 5, Funny

      playing videogames with their friends.

      You had friends?! Er, uh. I mean, yeah! I played video games with my friends all the time!

  11. Technological fix by Potor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah - it's in fact the exact opposite of self-control. It's really surrendering your will to the machine - and now the machine is in the ghost.

  12. Interesting concept by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea behind this seems quite good, rewarding exercise with television, but 2 hours for 15,000 steps (both daily recommended amounts, according to the article..) seems a little low. Most kids, even if they take to such a device, are going to be watching more than 2 hours TV a day.

    As for the article's claim that this will be an 'eye-opener' for those with a sedimentary lifestyle, I think it would be more likely to join the realms of exercise equipment old and new that sits unused while its owners procrastinate about getting more exercise.

    1. Re:Interesting concept by pocketfuzz · · Score: 2, Funny
      As for the article's claim that this will be an 'eye-opener' for those with a sedimentary lifestyle..



      Yeah, because too much TV makes you igneous!

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  13. Is it cheating... by stephenisu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it cheating to play DDR? (Dance Dance Revolution)

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    1. Re:Is it cheating... by froghermit · · Score: 5, Funny

      This will make the child go into an infinite loop and the child will crash.

    2. Re:Is it cheating... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Terminating zombie children isn't unknown in the Unix world.

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  14. Re: Even better by ockegheim · · Score: 3, Funny
    why not hook an exercise bike up to a generator?

    Or your computer! It could power the video card or something, so you have to exercise to get a decent fps.

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  15. What a coincidence!!! by d474 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just last month I invented a TV that won't release the electronic lock on my shoe closet door until I've watched 6 hours of TV.

    Daddy likey.

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  16. If I'd had these when I was a kid... by twocoasttb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd have bribed my brother and/or sister to run around in them for me just like I bribed them to sneak into the kitchen and take five or ten minutes off the timer when I was practicing the piano. Of course, if I hadn't been practicing the piano, I would have been running around outside anyway. My parents were very strict about how much T.V. we could watch. Too bad that doesn't happen much anymore...

  17. It's not really about enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Children learn from feedback. It's not about punishment, because of course any punished kid can find a way around it. It's about communicating expectations.

    Surprisingly, children desperately want to do what their parents think is right. They have a rebellious stage, but on the whole they want approval.

    In communities where the children are taught very clearly what the expectations are and the expectations are consistent, children tend to follow them, in the end. This is why religions survive. You rebel for a few years, but you come back to what you were taught in the end if you possibly can. Whether you think that's a good thing or not depends on your view of religion, but not important here.

    Honestly, I don't know how long I need to be active, because my parents didn't teach me. I don't feel a creeping sense that something is wrong if I haven't exercised in a few days. I also don't feel a creeping sense of wrongness if I haven't done the dishes or made my bed, but I do if I haven't washed my hands, read a book, paid my bills...

    It doesn't matter if your kids aren't doing the right thing for a while. What matters is if they know what the right thing is.

    1. Re:It's not really about enforcement by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't really see the enforcement in that. It's just a flawed idea to make parenting even easier for those parents that can't be bothered to raise kids. Just like the leap-frog reading things for little kids. Why not just read to your child!?

      I use a Leapfrog with my son, the key word being "with." It is interactive. I talk with him, show him objects on the page, and he touches them and gets even more feedback. The majority of the time, however, is on road trips. If you are stuck in a car with a young child for 10 or more hours at a time you try to find activities where you can put something on his lap in the back seat and keep him occupied. Whether this is a Leapfrog, another toy, or a portable DVD player, it sure helps keep his boredom from turning into a ten hour crying spree.

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  18. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by d474 · · Score: 2, Funny
    ":) Just to prove that geeks will hack anything ..."
    It doesn't take a geek to figure out this hack: not buying the shoes in the first place.
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  19. This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kids by Rob+Carr · · Score: 3, Informative
    Type II diabetes is at epidemic levels in the United States, and those diabetics are doing a very poor job of treating their illness.

    The DPP study showed that exercise and diet were two critical ways to prevent diabetes. As it is, Type II diabetes is being seen in children, when a generation ago it was a disease of older people.

    Diabetes can be controlled, but it is still a life-threatening illness. I made the mistake of thinking that I was "too old to run." I became a diabetic as a result of that stupidity.

    This shoe may be a form of "pinhead responsibility," but pinhead responsibility is better than no responsibility whatsoever. If it enables parents to control TV and exercise in their children, then it will be useful.

    Is it a weak solution to the problem? Certainly. Can it be hacked by the child? More than likely. But at least it's a start. It sure beats kidney failure, heart disease, blindness, stroke, impotence, and death. It certainly beats the cost of all those little kids spending their lives as diabetics.

    Heck, it beats having to pass up deserts. Unless you are a diabetic, you have no idea how this disease sucks.

    Does it run Linux? I'm sure someone will find a way, and it might even improve the system!

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  20. My shoes work already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just watch those kids scramble out of the house when I give them a good boot to the backside...

  21. Negative Reenforcement by miyako · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is a neat idea and all, but I think they really have it backwords. Given the quality of most tv, how 'bout making it so that the TV won't turn off unless you have gotten enough proper excercise? Not only will this motivate people to exercise, but if they forget, then when the TV pops on, it's even more motivation to get some excercise by walking out of the room.

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  22. Remember Nintendo... by da3dAlus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does anyone else the running pad accessory for the NES? Came with a game that had you running in place and competing with your friends? I distinctly remember that it was more fun (and easier) to just kneel down on the floor and smack the sensors with your hands, rather than try to jog in place. I just see kids getting around this by shaking the shoe or otherwise triggering the pedometer to falsely increase their "mileage". Stated previously: cute, but stupid.

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    1. Re:Remember Nintendo... by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nintendo Power Pad, and World Class Track Meet.

  23. Won't stop anyone... by derEikopf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone has the willpower to wear these shoes and let them control the TV...then he has the willpower to go running anyway.

  24. great... by Bunny+Slippers · · Score: 2, Funny

    another way for older brothers to torture their younger brothers! "Run up and down the stairs until I tell you to stop or I'll beat the crap out of you"

  25. Re:Shoes on hands by Rob+Carr · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The energy expended by the human body while watching TV is actually less than the energy expended sitting, doing nothing. If this device forces the kids to sit there and shake their foot, it's an improvement.

    I do wonder what this decreased energy expenditure while watching TV says about the ability to think while watching TV....

    No, wait. I don't wonder at all!

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  26. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If it enables parents to control TV and exercise in their children, then it will be useful."

    A parent can turn off the TV. (A parent can even get rid of the TV.) A parent can make sure that their children eat well. A parent can make sure that their children get an adequate amount of exercise.

    If these things aren't already happening, a stupid pair of shoes won't help. People need to take responsibility for themselves, not abrogate it to a microcontroller.

  27. Now both ends... by Crash+McBang · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... will have to be covered in foil!

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  28. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by Rob+Carr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Look, you and I are intelligent.

    I was a paramedic for far too many years. You have no idea the average level of human stupidity, nor just how bad the average level of parenting is.

    Would we need this? Probably not. Are there folks out there for whom this would be useful?

    Far too many.

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  29. Re:Simpler method by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Play "air drums" with the shoes.

    I don't know about you, but the way I become the mime-drummer is much more energetic than any 10,000 step walk could ever be. But I did ask myself what if the kid had a nervous tick where he bounced his knee under his desk all day? Would that cock up the computations? I'd imagine so...
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  30. By your logic... by catbutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    giving kids an allowance is using a device to enforce parenting. You should just give them a credit card with a high limit, and teach them not to spend too much.

    Get over yourself.

    1. Re:By your logic... by NetFu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with another poster that TV is NOT a reward.

      The whole problem in your analogy is you're not seeing that the allowance comparison does NOT involve the use of a device to enforce your parental rules. This thing is a device that people are supposed to use to babysit their kids, much like they already use TV.

      Either way, that's wrong.

      With an allowance, your kid has to do certain chores for the week (homework, cleaning room, helping, being nice/good, etc.) to get the allowance. There is no device monitoring your kid to make sure they did all that stuff, you are supposed to verify it because YOU are the parent, not some device. Software like NetNanny is similarly warped.

      If someone came out with some monitor that you put around your kid's neck to verify they did everything they were supposed to to get their allowance, I think we'd be against that, too.

      I don't think anybody objecting to the use of this device has a problem with a parent telling their kid they have to go play at the park for 2 hours to watch TV for 2 hours:

      The problem is when you depend on a device to do your job as a parent.

      I know some people have to work during the day and leave their kids at day care, but it has to stop SOMEWHERE. At some point, you have to take the responsibility that comes with being a parent.

      Some people will justify the use of a device like this by saying it's just a way for them to make absolutely sure their kids are doing what they tell them.

      If that's your excuse for using crutches like these, you need to work on your relationship with your kid!

      And, I'm speaking as a geek-father of 5 kids...

  31. MPAA won't like this by fullcircleflight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly this will encourage illegal downloading of TV shows via BitTorrent; the MPAA won't like this.

    Although, I guess these shoes will sound like a good option to irresponsible parents that haven't being able to teach their kids about good dieting and fitness habits already.

  32. Worst Product Ever by unladen+swallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK so the idea may be a good one (intent) there are too many flaws in the design (as others have pointed out). I have a better product idea... Have an adult around that sets rules on how much TV a child can watch and actually enforce the rules. Oh wait, I think the "adult" patent was approved 4000 years ago.

  33. Two technologies solving each other by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about if I attach these shoes to the alarm clock that runs away and hides?

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  34. Slashdot by charon_1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They should invent something like this for Slashdot... You have to have social interaction with x amount of people before you can waste hours reading slashdot comments.

  35. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's not a "hack", that's a "workaround". Or in this case, perhaps that should be a "not workaround".

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  36. In France we love ze analogees by 0x20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You see, in France, we have a saying. Ze allowance, she is like a shoe, no? A shoe which enforce ze TV restrictions. How can you say is not so, eh?

    Please forgive me for zees post: I am but a lowly stereoteep.

    1. Re:In France we love ze analogees by chucks86 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You asked for it... In Soviet Russia, ze TV restricts shoe.

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  37. how bout hyper people? by Internet_Communist · · Score: 2, Funny

    this would never work on people who are constantly shaking their leg or something...

    i'm a semi-hyper dude myself and once you get your leg going it's pretty easy to keep it that way for quite a long time without even realizing....i'd have it exploited in no time!

    oh yeah and if you were like me as a kid you'd know how to hook up tvs/vcrs, stereos, etc, by the time you were around 6 or 7. Unplugging the damn thing wouldn't be too hard to do....

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  38. dying to know.... by ammie · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many of the commenters here work out regularly?

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  39. Re:The shoe also has an AI builtin by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny
    But do they dream?

    ....

    Maybe they do. Shoes have soles, after all.

    (Ba-dum-ching!)

    (I'm gonna be modded down for this... I just know it)

  40. Re: Even better by Sivar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but if you have a Pentium IV or a Geforce 6800 you'd better be one hell of an athlete already.

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  41. Crap. I don't have a TV by melted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should I sue them?

  42. So that would be ... by K2Extreme · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... an insensitive clog ?

  43. Are you a parent, by any freak chance? by ianscot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One more /.er who strikes me as being maybe 20 years old, telling me about parenthood.

    A parent can turn off the TV. (A parent can even get rid of the TV.) A parent can make sure that their children eat well. A parent can make sure that their children get an adequate amount of exercise.

    And a parent can choose to use certain tools to get to the right balance point for all of that, all without finding it necessary to stake out an absolute position on the relative morality (or even efficacy) of the technology.

    If these things aren't already happening, a stupid pair of shoes won't help.

    Your positions would apply to basically any technology, not just these flaky shoes. (I can see the shoes for certain cases, personally. Pediatric onset diabetes? Seems about like a bed wetting alarm for certain kids, to me. Doesn't work and isn't necessary for everyone, so everyone doesn't have one.)

    Personally I was once tempted by a "TV Allowance" box that let you put in a certain amount of time for each kid per week. And yeah, they could go to a friend's house, or steal each other's codes, or whatever -- the point isn't to find the absolutely ideal solution, the point is to set up enough of a reminder/nuisance to help shape the behavior, hopefully at a reasonable cost for the practical benefit. And no, the enormous and ever-so-crucial philosophical distinction between "Dad told me that's enough 'Sabrina'" and "The time limit Dad set is up" doesn't matter as much to me as it seems to matter to you.

    Personally I think the cruxes are positive reinforcement (rather than chiding) and modeling the right behavior (rather than prating about something you won't do yourself). Parents who show their kids that they evercise themselves have a heck of a lot better chance to convince the kids. But why a dorky technology like this couldn't help that, I don't know. I was planning on giving myself the same allowance the kids had, on the box thing.

    These shoes do seem like a niche product -- but I can see them being usable in those senses. I'd be more impressed by some sort of family pedometer tracking system, personally, but to each her own.

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  44. Re: Even better by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but if you have a Pentium IV or a Geforce 6800 you'd better be one hell of an athlete already.

    At this point you might be better off running the computer from wall power and using the bike to run the 16 cooling fans.