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RFID Bracelets to Track Inmates in L.A. County

Roland Piquepaille writes "According to RFID Journal, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is about to launch a pilot program to track 1,800 inmates using RFID devices. If the test is successful, the technology will be deployed for the 18,000 inmates of the L.A. county jails. With this system, inmates carry a wrist bracelet which issues a signal every two seconds and is caught by RFID readers installed everywhere in the prison. Officers and staff also carry a RFID device attached to their belts. And a central server keeps track in real time of the position of all prisoners and guardians. Besides tracking locations, the system also intends to reduce violence within the jail and to avoid escapes. If this system works as its promoters think, the potential market to equip all federal, state and county jails in the U.S. exceeds $1 billion. This overview contains other details and references, including a picture of a wristwatch transmitter worn by inmates."

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  1. My rights? by 77Punker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This has nothing to do with my rights; I am not a prisoner. It is, however, a good use of the technology, and one of the first I've heard of.

    Finally, a reason for RFID to exist.

    1. Re:My rights? by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is a matter of your rights, as one day you may be a prisoner. Claiming its not about your rights because you're not in jail is like saying slavery wasn't about your rights because you weren't black.

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    2. Re:My rights? by zxnos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      prisoners gave up many of their rights when they commited a crime against society - theft - murder - etc. personally i dont think a murderer should have the same rights i enjoy - though they should still be treated humanely .ie no cruel and unusual.

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    3. Re:My rights? by ichthus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think there might be a slight difference bewteen being black and being incarcerated. One of them has to do with biology. Can you tell which?

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    4. Re:My rights? by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not disagreeing with that. I have no problems with using RFIDs within the prison walls, so long as they are removed upon release. It still is a matter of rights though, so the topic is appropriate.

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    5. Re:My rights? by ichthus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really!? Fascinating. Can you provide supporting links? I'd like to read about this, especially since being incarcerated depends on the criminal actions of the subject (according to the local law,) the economic status of the subject, and the celebrity status of the subject (ie. OJ Simpson) to name a few. So, genetics also play a role, in combination with the above mentioned? If this is true, then do defense lawyers offer genetic disposition as a defense? Is there really a jail gene? Or, are people actually responsible for their own actions?

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    6. Re:My rights? by oh_the_humanity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you still agree if the person released is a two or three time convicted child molester, who happend to move in next door to you and your lovely daughter/son etc. I think these indivduals need to be tracked for life, and ive heard its starting to happen.

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    7. Re:My rights? by zxnos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you make a valid point. right now i am content just to be informed when they move into the area. that way i can deal with the situation. i dont know if they need to be tracked via gps or anything. i guess, to me, it would depend on if they have a history of abducting kids or just doing it at church / school. good point.

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    8. Re:My rights? by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think if someone was convicted of being a child molestor three times, we shouldn't let him out. But yes, if someone is released from prison, then he shouldn't be tracked. The idea of letting them out is that they have paid for their crime. They are citizens again. Tracking movements aftwards is a violation of their rights to privacy and free assembly.

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    9. Re:My rights? by oh_the_humanity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I live in califonria and using megans laws databse found out that a convicted sex offender ( sodomy by force with a minor under 14 years of age) lives 1 block away from where my kid goes to school. Theres no signs saying sex offender lives here etc. its a crock.

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    10. Re:My rights? by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 2, Insightful


      prisoners gave up many of their rights when they commited a crime against society - theft - murder - etc. personally i dont think a murderer should have the same rights i enjoy - though they should still be treated humanely .ie no cruel and unusual.


      Smoking crack in the leisure of your own home is not a crime against society...

      Downloading MP3s is not a crime against society...

      Crime != murder/rape ONLY...

      With more and more draconian laws being passed in the US these days, anyone has an increasing chance of being a "criminal" someday. Guilty of thought "crime" perhaps?

    11. Re:My rights? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They should be tracked for such time as they are on parole or probation. Release from jail is not always a completion of sentence.

      Now, the extent of that tracking may be something to be debated. Right now, most of them just have to check in with their parole/probation officer on a particular schedule, and usually must let law enforcement conduct unannounced searches for contraband. Whether they should be tracked with more detail, such as with a GPS band or other similar instrument is worth discussing.

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    12. Re:My rights? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative
      That is NOT, repeat NOT what the figures show. Nice troll. The figures show that more blacks are arrested for and convicted of more crimes than any other racial group in America, per capita or otherwise.

      Blacks in America also are being subjugated by a system that keeps them in an underprivileged position - the system keeps blacks committing crimes. It is a social predisposition, not a genetic one.

      Mind you, I'm mostly white (heinz 57) and a quarter mexican - make of this disclaimer what you will.

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    13. Re:My rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That assumes that the various criminal justice systems in the land incarcerate only the guilty.

      Well, speaking for the US criminal justice system, that is the assumption. At trial, one is judged to be guilty or not guilty. If one is judged to be guilty, then the assumption is that of guilt, is it not?

      The percentage of wrongly incarcerated prisoners is small - vanishingly so. Small enough that when it's discovered that someone has been wrongly convicted, it's news. It's small enough that it's pretty safe to assume that any particular individual judged guilty is guilty. Incidentally, see if you can find any research citing the actual percentages of wrongly convicted people. It's something that ought to be statistically estimated. I can't find anything and that makes me think that it's because the percentage is extremely low.

      Don't go off on a tangent about innocent people in jail - sure, it's a problem and nobody should be punished for a crime they didn't commit. But the assumption that we incarcerate only the guilty is valid assumption.

    14. Re:My rights? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Felons are not full citizens in the US even after release. They often can't vote, can't hold security clearences, can't purchase firearms, etc.

    15. Re:My rights? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Finally, a sensible response.


      Preserving prisoner's rights because they either might not be guilty, or are guilty only in the minds of a limited number of jurors, is a distraction from the real problem: why the system imprisoned them in the first place.


      If I was imprisoned as an innocent man, I'd be pretty pissed off regardless of whether they had me wearing a locating transponder or not. In fact, I can't imagine I'd care one whit.


      Actually, as a basically non-aggressive person, I'd probably SUPPORT everyone wearing those, on the thought that it might keep Bubba the Butt-Buddy from ass-raping me in the showers.

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    16. Re:My rights? by NeoBeans · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Would you still agree if the person released is a two or three time convicted child molester, who happend to move in next door to you and your lovely daughter/son etc. I think these indivduals need to be tracked for life, and ive heard its starting to happen.

      Then the problem isn't the issue of removing the wristband, but the need to keep certain types of criminals locked up to protect society.

      In my opinion, if we feel a need to "track someone for life" because they are such a menace, then why are they out of prison to begin with?

    17. Re:My rights? by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "That's all right, we send our criminals to the US sometimes."

      Hey, I live in NZ.

      I'll never forget my Dad explaining that Australia was settled by people to whom it was said 'sod you, you are going somewhere else' while New Zealand was settled by people by whom it was said 'sod this, I'm going somewhere else'

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    18. Re:My rights? by captain_craptacular · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Last time I checked, open rebellion against your country was treason.

      Only if you lose.

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    19. Re:My rights? by xchino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you all seem to not understand, is this in NOT a prison. Jail and Prison are two completely different things. A prison is where you get sent after being found guilty and sentenced to hard time. A county jail is where you go if you got a little too drunk and ran into a cop on the walk home. A county jail is where you go if you got busted for smoking a joint (at least around here). A county jail is where they hold you BEFORE you have your day in court. At any time I guarantee you there is at least 1 innocent person in county jail. You give up your rights only when you commit a felony, not a misdemeanor. Well over %50 of the people in any county jail are still 100% full citizens of the US, and as such deserve every single right they are entitled to.

      At any rate, I don't see this as a particular invasion of privacy, you have to wear those wrist ID bands anyways, this one just identifies remotely.

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    20. Re:My rights? by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...so we should wait until a DUI drivers kills a bunch of people before putting him in jail eventhough two warnings were already given... I'm sorry but I don't agree with that.

    21. Re:My rights? by Skynyrd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ironically, bars and restaurants are for some reason still legal to server alcohol even though you are not allowed to leave the place nor stay there.

      Actually, you are allowed to leave the bar - just get a ride.

      But I agree with you that 0.06 is too low. However, a DOT approved breathalizer is about $100 these days. Cheap insurance.

      I was considering getting a commercial driver's license for employment possibilities, but found that in California, if you have a CDL your legal limit is 0.04 all the time (even if you are driving a regular car for non-work purposes). Ouch!

    22. Re:My rights? by modecx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And that's part of what I've never really understood either, so they're not allowed to purchase firearms, and can't have signifigant security clearances... That makes sense--they're supposedly rehabilitated, and still not especially trustable. I have no problem with that.

      But what's with the no-voting? That seems like a basic human right sort of thing to me. In US law, you're a felon if you may be imprisoned for more than a year, at least that's what I understand. So, if you could be sentenced for more than a year by violating copyright, you could be a felon.

      If you were wrongly convicted/were deemed a felon by a stupid law, you effectively have no means to influence the system, that seems kinda' stupid to me.... Especially considering I'd probably be more inclined to trust a newly released felon more than your average politician.

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    23. Re:My rights? by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think if someone was convicted of being a child molestor three times, we shouldn't let him out. But yes, if someone is released from prison, then he shouldn't be tracked. The idea of letting them out is that they have paid for their crime. They are citizens again. Tracking movements aftwards is a violation of their rights to privacy and free assembly.

      You don't even see the contradiction in this, do you?
      The idea of letting them out is that they have paid for their crime.
      I think if someone was convicted of being a child molestor three times, we shouldn't let him out.
      If somebody has "paid" for their crime, why is it ever an issue again? Let's put it another way:
      The idea of letting the shoppers out of the store is that they have paid for their merchandise.
      I think if someone was found to have purchased a bag of apples three times, we shouldn't let him out.
      Sounds stupid, doesn't it?

      The truth of the matter is that sitting in a cage doesn't "pay" for anything. It's a punishment for doing something wrong, in a Pavlovian attempt to make the threat of more cage time prevent you from being bad. It might make the victim of the crime feel a bit better knowing that the cause of their woes is having a bad day. But that's about it.

      There's no "rehabilitation" in the "Criminal Rehabilitation System", unless you consider extreme boredom and being Bubba's biatch "rehabilitation".

      So, let's dispense this fiction, and get on with it... some crimes are committed out of mental illness for which there is no cure. (EG: Pedophilia) Why //NOT// track these criminals? Having a running history of where they were may well prove them innocent as "not at the scene" if there's ever a question in the future!

      Otherwise, let's cook up a system whereby a criminal actually CAN "pay" for his misdeeds. But let's not start on a lie, eh?
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    24. Re:My rights? by Medevo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Almost every study says ANYTHING over 0% BAC causes some level of impairment, just because we have set an arbitrary standard of 0.08 or 0.10 doesn't mean that these are "safe" levels.

      Many drivers at 0% can be more impaired then people with 0.15% due to distractions. But irregardless, it is safer to EVERYONE if the limit is "if you drink ANYTHING, you don't drive", yes you might have to get a taxi ride home and pick up your car in the morning, but that's the consequence of going out to drink, deal with it.

      Medevo

  2. You will... by admactanium · · Score: 4, Funny

    great! now i can walk straight out of my local grocery store without the inconvenience of having to stop and pay for my prison inmate!

  3. Just make them a fashionable yellow... by gringo_john · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make them out of plastic, and yellow. Then all the inmates will want to wear them!

    1. Re:Just make them a fashionable yellow... by danpat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, those yellow bracelets are supposed to be a fundrasing exercise.

      See http://www.livestrong.org/

      Unfortunately there are a whole bunch of scams selling "fake" bracelets, or overcharging (note that the Lance Armstrong foundation sets a price of $1 each).

  4. I'm all for knowing whewre prisoners are by deft · · Score: 3, Funny

    but isn't it just slightly weird they dont know where they are now?

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  5. jail currency? by thedustbustr · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is marked by a sudden decrease of the value of Penthouse rags while tinfoil becomes a precious metal.

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  6. Purpose of Prisons? by jgardn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been thinking lately about crime and punishment. We have two reasons for sending people to prison in the first place:

    (1) To punish them.

    (2) To reform them.

    Both of these purposes have been lost completely.

    We punish the prisoners by secluding them from society, cutting them away for a period of time in proportion to the seriousness of their crime.

    We reform them by teaching them new habits and skills that will help them survive beyond the prison walls without returning to crime.

    What does this have to do with either? Absolutely nothing. I'd rather we spent our prison budget on working to enhance the education and reformation of the prisoners rather than keeping track of where they are at all times, something that we don't have a problem with right now.

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    1. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by rizzo420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the punishments don't fit the crimes in the US. while drug use/possession might be illegal elsewhere, it's not as major an offense as it is here. prison time for possession of marijuana. it's a non-violent crime. how about a fine or community service instead? the's why our prisons are over-crowded, there's too many non-violent "criminals" locked up. drugs shouldn't even be illegal here. and don't go and say "your username contains 420, so of course you think that" because i just got in the habit of adding that after my name when "rizzo" didn't work. there's just no really good reason for drugs to be illegal while alcohol and cigarettes are legal.

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    2. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by eggnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. The primary purposes of jails are to deter crime and to keep criminals off the street. Punishment is a means to an end, and reform is just a good idea.

      2. Sometimes, law enforcement doesn't even know what jail someone's in, where they need to be transferred to, when they need medical attention, or what their release date is.

    3. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by Nf1nk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Deep down inside, I don't care if yousmoke dope or not a long as you do it on your own time. The dude who flips my burgers or sweeps my floor could be stoned out of his mind and not change his performance, but the anti drug folks always bring out the surgeon strawman (which is funny because I know a few doc's that are half in the bag most the time.
      In fact to be stuck with a mind numbing job like watching a cash register and not be blotto seems like cruel and unusual punishment.
      Oh and to the folks that point out that pot makes you stupid, I say so what, I don't use pot so its just less competition for the few remaining good jobs.

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    4. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by rizzo420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you haven't told me why drugs should be illegal? the facts are out there that they can mess you up when abused. people should be held responsible for their own actions, not protected from themselves. the government is protecting me by making pot illegal, yet i can use it and not cause harm to others or myself. same goes for a slew of other drugs... heroin is an exception because you're practically hooked once you shoot up the first time.

      people like you make me sick.

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    5. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by Pete · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If marijuana should be illegal because it's harmful, then alcohol and tobacco should definitely be illegal too because they're much more harmful than marijuana. And probably coffee should be illegal because that's in the same harmfulness ballpark as marijuana.

      Marijuana is an interesting case - it's the classic example of a currently illegal drug for which there is no good reason (not even the poor reason of "it'll hurt you!") for its illegality. It's mildly intoxicating and it's not addictive (perhaps habit-forming at worst (ie. much like using the internet :), but not addictive).

      Penn and Teller's Bullshit did an episode on drugs in general (and marijuana in particular) a while ago. The one bit that stuck in my head involved them showing death counts due to particular drugs. Cigarettes - quite a lot, as you'd expect. Alcohol - quite a lot as well. Marijuana... zero. As in "not any at all, ever".

      So why is it illegal again?

      I find it very difficult to believe the cost to society of legalising all drugs could come anywhere near the cost of the "war on drugs". Also, legalising drugs would (conveniently) upset one group of people more than any other - organised crime (Homer: "Mmmm.... organised crime"). Their biggest money-earner would be gone just like that.

    6. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by qeveren · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh no, personal responsibility?? We can't allow something outrageous like that!

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    7. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 2, Insightful
      what scientific studies show that alcohol makes you violent? when i'm drunk, i don't get violent.

      I'm going to start off with an ad-hominem, because it's just too good to pass up: Judging from your abuse of lower case letters, when you get drunk, you come here and post on slashdot. Here's a nice summary of 41 scientific studies! But it's from the NIH, so they obviously don't know what they're talking about.

      marijuana is harmless. it doesn't cause addiction, it doesn't cause death, and when used properly in THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME, you affect no one but yourself. there are no known deaths related to marijuana.

      I'm in favour of legalising marijuana, but you live in fantasy land if you think it's harmless. It's full of carcinogens ( like pretty much anything else you burn, really ), and the American Heart Association presented a study ( non journal though, so whatever ) during their March 2000 conference that said it represented a fivefold risk factor for cardiac arrest in the first hour after use for older users ( about twice the risk entailed by sex for sedentary individuals ). These are not the only medical questions surrounding cannabis at the moment, some bad, some good. Don't make the mistake of dishonestly portraying it as 'safer than sugar doughnuts' ( as one particularly retarded pothead has attempted to do in my presence. )

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    8. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by flacco · · Score: 3, Funny
      Try jacking off in front of a primary school, and see how readily you are able to use your body as you see fit.

      i just wanted to commend you for using the grammatically correct "jacking off" instead of the common vernacular "jerking off" which, sadly, has become so prevalent in the popular culture.

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    9. Re:Purpose of Prisons? by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We can't remove alcohol and tobacco from our society, they are too much a part of it now. However, just because our great grandparents did a stupid thing, that doesn't mean we should start letting every man and his dog start shooting up.

      What the US's experiment with alcohol prohibition proved is that the effects of prohibition are likely to be worst than the banned drugs themselves.

  7. A false sense of security by RealAlaskan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you can take it off without sending a signal, then they think they know where you are, but they don't. They have a false sense of security, and you have a perfect alibi.

    From TFA:

    Thus far, no inmates have attempted to escape or tamper with their bracelets in the jails where the system has been deployed, says Oester. Knowing that an alarm would be activated if the bracelet is removed or destroyed has been a deterrent for inmates,Oester says. The bracelet includes several built-in tamper-proof safeguards. The braided stainless steel wire that runs the length of the bracelet will cause the RFID tag to stop transmitting it is cut. The device also has a sensor that is designed to set off an alarm in 15 seconds if it loses contact to skin.
    So, if you lose some weight, you could slip it off, pass it to your buddy who gets it in contact with his skin within 15 seconds, go do your crime, and get away with it.
  8. Re:Point? by Baricom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're of the camp that believes prison is for rehabilitation, enhanced freedom could be used as an effective tool to accomplish that. Prisoners that can be tracked wherever they are in prison is a necessary requirement to grant this enhanced freedom.

    On the other hand, if you think prison is punishment, look at the transmitters as yet another way to make sure everybody is accounted for, and a way to gather evidence for crimes in the building.

  9. Rights abuse! by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Using RFID to track inmates? What are they trying to do, turn our jails into prisons?

    Cheers,
    IT

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  10. Re:In other news... by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, if the system was designed with any sanity, it will sound an alarm the moment the sensors lose track of the bracelet.

    Unfortunately, if I know anything about human behaviour, the guards will disable these alarms instead of investigating them. And this will render this system worthless.

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  11. What, no magnetic boots? by payndz · · Score: 3, Funny
    Didn't they have this system in Face/Off?

    And what happened to the magnetic boots? Can't run a future prison without magnetic boots!

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  12. Preventing escapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now all they gotta do is rig an explosive charge to it so that it'll go off if the prisoner strays beyond the prison perimeter... ... oh wait, that was Running Man...

    "Here is your Sub Zero, now, just plain Zero!"

  13. Re:In other news... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like you're never been in a prison.

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  14. Re:It does if your're a guard by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Tracking the guards allows a display of where they all are, so as to identify gaps in the patrol structure. Knowing where they should be is helpful; knowing where they are exactly is even better. In addition, this may allow rapid action if several personnel are seeing congregating rapidly on one location (perhaps stopping a fight) just in case transmission is difficult or impossible due to circumstances.

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  15. Re:Why not? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it works to improve safety and reduce escapes, then it results in lower costs through greater public safety, lower prison hospital bills, and fewer lawsuits against the state over effects of prison violence.

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  16. blocking Roland Piquepaille stories.. by joeldg · · Score: 3, Funny

    this article reminded me I need to make up a greasemonkey script to block all stories submitted by Roland Piquepaille

    thanks

  17. High-Tech Fix to Prison Problems? by mpapet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It wasn't so long ago the Sheriff released a bunch of convicts because they couldn't afford to keep them in jail. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20050419- 0444-ca-labudget.html

    It wasn't so long ago (months?) that inmates were dying at a rather alarming rate in L.A. Sheriff's jails too. I wish I had a link, but it was very news-worthy on LA public radio. (KPCC covers L.A. news great) The phrase "Sheriff's excessive use of force" never quite stuck.

    I wonder what the resource requirements are for a system that "tracks convicts wherever they go in real-time" claim. Presumably thousands of reader devices always on and connected to some server. Is there a database backend? Or, does it just store locations temporarily. Could you /. the server connected to the network of readers?

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  18. Slippery slope by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First they RFID'd the prisoners. I was not a prisoner, so I did not care.
    Then they RFID'd the paroles and probationers. I was not a parolee or probationer, so I did not care.
    Then they RFID'd the sex offenders. I was not a sex offender, so I did not care.
    Then they RFID'd the ex-felons. I was not an ex-felon, so I did not care.
    Then they RFID'd everyone. There was nobody left to care about me.

    Apologies to Martin Niemoeller.

    Seriously, this does have utility in prisons and perhaps with high-risk parolees, probationers, and highly-likely-to-reoffend ex-cons, but society has to make some hard "dark line" decisions to make sure this doesn't become a slippery slope.

    PS: Will the next version be an implant with the number 666 on it?

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  19. Your government is your friend... by flajann · · Score: 2, Informative
    Oh, come on. Your government has only your best interests at heart. With these RFID tags that they also want to embed in our clothing, our food products, and just about everything else, the'll know where all of us are at any given moment.

    Why, it'll become impossible to cheat on your spouse, as she'll only need to go to an online tracking system with her mouse, type in your National ID number, and see who you are boinking.

    If your political views differs from the Status Quo, yes, your government will be interested in that too! Wonderful. Orwell had no idea. At least in 1984 there were places you could go to avoid the cameras. Now, there's nowhere we can go.

    Couple that with closed-circuit cameras being everywhere in public, face recognition tecnology getting better and better, and Bush slipping his henchmen in place over the years, and you have...? All non-republicans take note!!!!

  20. Oh I get it now. by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny
    TFA says that an inmate was able to pass through the prison and stalk another inmate who was then murdered. this is supposed to help track inmates more efficiently

    So this is supposed to make it easier for inmates to stalk each other using RFID technology. Great plan.

  21. this is a very bad idea by milimetric · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, so check out what's going to happen. A dude is going to chop off like 20 people's hands and toss them down laundry chutes, catapult them over fences, attach them to radio controlled cars, etc. just to simulate as if these people are escaping. Then he/she is going to escape quietly via some other route when the guards are all chasing hands. Or am I crazy?

  22. number of the beast by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Informative
    PS: Will the next version be an implant with the number 666 on it?

    Of course not.

    It has the number 616 on it instead.

  23. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Insightful

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  24. You people are fucking nuts. by Vegeta99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People in prison have lost their liberty.

    They do not have freedom. They committed some violation of rules that society has deemed it neccesary that they be locked up. Away from society. It is VERY important to public security that their whereabouts be known at all times while in prison. It is also VERY hard to do with 18,000 inmates and only a few hundred (maybe thousand) correctional officers.

    This is NOT the first step on a slipperly slope. The government doesn't really care that at 1PM every day, I go take a shit. There's no way even if they DID care that they could seriously mark every citizen with an RFID and track their whereabouts, Real-ID or not. They can't even keep track of how many illegal immigrants there are!

    Remember, we still do afford a certain amount of control on our government. If they DID try to monitor every citizen's whereabouts, it would be shot down by the general public even if the only reason is their taxes would go up.

    Please remove the tin foil hat, because in this case, it's too damn expensive.

  25. Re:It does if your're a guard by PTBarnum · · Score: 2, Informative

    The guards in my office building already have to stop at electronic checkpoints while they are on patrol, so the supervisors know the guards are actually patrolling. RFID would just make this more continuous.

  26. Slippery slope falacy by Nf1nk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your argument requires a strong leap at the last step, also worth note the last step is the largest step and the least likley, in the original argument the steps were smaller and the last one not so big. My only worry about these is that it might make the guards complacent, or more likley cut the number of guards leading to scary new problems that will be hard to resolve with the fewer guards.

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  27. Ask and ye shall get.. by alphakappa · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here you go

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  28. Disturbed by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This last weekend, I was robbed at gunpoint. The assailant took my wallet and my cell phone. The first thing I did after calling the police (at a land line) was call my banks to turn off my various cards. As the police officer was writing down his report, my sister on the phone with the bank discovered that someone had tried to use one of my cards 5 minutes after the robbery at a 7-11 down the street from the hold up.

    The 7-11 had a video camera recording everything, and now that the cops had my description and a video surveillance image to go off of, their chances of catching the criminal are pretty high (though I was told that it was highly unlikely that I'd ever see my phone, wallet, or the IDs in the wallet ever again).

    Because of modern anti-theft measures, the man who stuck a gun in my stomach is most likely going to end up in jail. The fast-acting real-time monitoring of credit card usage, the ever present video surveillance, and the fast response time of the police from my initial 911 call all are aiding to the apprehension of this guy who, all told, ended up with about $30 in cash and a phone that can never be activated again.

    And yet, the more I think about it, the more I'm deeply disturbed. Yes, it was nice to know that because of our modern world, the guy didn't end up running up thousand dollar bills on my credit card. And yes, I do take comfort knowing that it's highly likely the guy will go to jail.

    But at what cost? Every day we are giving up more and more privacy under the auspicious of safety, yet nobody in any position of power seems to consider that perhaps the government and corporate organizations of America shouldn't have that much access to our private lives.

    I asked myself the question: What if I was on the other side of that technological dragnet? What if the government was after me because I said something that the government didn't agree with, or saw as a "threat", despite my benign intentions? What if, say, I made a remark publicly that I didn't think the current presidential administration was pursuing policies that have America's best interests in mind? What if I was in a position where people respected what I had to say, and would take it to heart? What if the administration decided to find me and silence me?

    Granted, these "what ifs" are generally the bread and butter of the tin foil hat crowd, but it does make me uneasy. When I was a kid, my parents had a chip put in my dog. Now they're putting them on wrist bands of prisoners. It doesn't take a genius to come to the conclusion that eventually all prisoners will have these, then all prisoners will have these implanted, then the citizenry will have them.

    I can hear someone saying "Look, if you had a chip implanted in you with your ID and bank account information on it, you would have never been mugged, and you wouldn't have to be going through the hassle of getting your IDs and life back in order right now". Then again, the guy could have just shot me and dug out my chip with a dull knife. I'm not sure.

    What I am sure of is this: We still live in a pretty good country. As misguided as I think their policies are, I still think most of the current government's activities are still in the best interests of the American people. But what is the otherwise respectable "done nothing wrong" citizen supposed to do if America's power is seized from them by people who don't mind trampling on personal liberties one bit to serve their own purpose? Things like RFID tags just adds to our impotency if the time comes when decent Americans have to raise up against our own government and set things right again.

    I for one am willing to lose a little more money in a robbery, or have the knowledge that the chances that the guy who robbed me gets caught is lower in exchange for the safety in knowing that if things ever get really bad, I have some options in standing up to the government.

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    1. Re:Disturbed by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 2, Informative

      perhaps the government and corporate organizations of America shouldn't have that much access to our private lives.

      I understand what you mean, but please note that none of the situations you mentioned had anything to do with private life.

      1- Credit card. To use a credit card you are using the CC company's network. They let you use their property, but it's still theirs to use as they please within the terms of the contract.

      2- CCTV in a shop. A shop is the property of the shop's owner (well quite often it is rented, but you get the idea). When you enter a shop you are not in public space, you are in a private space that happens to belong to someone else. They let you enter their property, but they have the right to set reasonable conditions for it. Filming people who enter your property does not seem exceedingly unreasonable to me.

      Thomas-

  29. What slippery slope? by katharsis83 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no slippery slope. A fundamental part of any civilized society is a social contract (Locke); if an individual in the society chooses to break that contract by comitting a crime, he/she is ostracized from the society. Over the past few hundred years we've codified this into penal codes. Granted, there are injustices in the penal code (i.e. crystallized crack is punished more harshly that powdered crack, but both have the same potency - guess which type of crack minorities have more access to), but overall it's been accepted that you give up your freedom if you break the laws of your society.

    Prisoners have no right to privacy, they have no right to free assembly, they have no right to carry arms (this part at least makes sense, right?), and a bunch of other rights that we enjoy as citizens. Now, seeing as how they have no 4th amendment rights, why can't we shackle RFID tags on them? It's not cruel or painful, and it prevents prison riots/prison escapes by letting the guards know where they are. Denying prisoners fundamental rights is part of their punishment and ostracization.

    Seeing as how strip searches/metal detectors are already standard practice in jails and have been for decades, I see this as perhaps one of the only USEFUL and legit applications of RFID tags.

    Crying foul over non-existent rights violations makes it all the harder for people to take you seriously when actual violations occur (i.e. Guantanomo Bay, secret evidence b/c of national security, etc...).

    Btw, the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. Look it up on Google sometime.

  30. Linked by OgGreeb · · Score: 2, Funny

    And then link every two inmates together, so that if they ever get separated, both get fried!

    That might make a good movie.

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  31. Yeah by katharsis83 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well yeah, no kidding. The entire justice system is based on that. You're responding to his argument by bringing up an ENTIRELY seperate argument.

    If we totally want to avoid guilty convictions, I guess we should abolish prisons then.

  32. Yes they are by localroger · · Score: 2, Interesting
    RFID tags are indeed transmitters, and it has even been shown that you can snoop the SpeedPass tags from ten meters away as they are normally used.

    Tags without batteries are powered by a transmitter in the reader, which in turn activates a transmitter in the tag. (In one common system the tag doesn't technically "transmit" but modulates an antenna which absorbs the reader energy; this makes little difference in the operation.

    Tags with batteries can be read tens of meters away. Passive tags can be read tens of meters away if they are activated by a sufficiently powerful or otherwise close read signal. Tags which do not have to be read at high speed (e.g. vehicles) can be read at much greater distances everything else being equal.

    With existing technology, it would be quite feasible to give everyone an implant and read their tags with great reliability as they walk past, for example, every street corner in a large city.

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  33. Re:In other news... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Makes my 3 days in Dewey County South Dakota small tatters ;)

  34. And now for the other side of the coin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen several posts in this topic that make comments like "why do we need this to know where the inmates are...we already know that easily".

    The reason I'm posting this reply as an AC, something I normally never do, is because I've been on the other side. I'm an ex-con. And no, I'm not kidding. I did slightly over two years in prison, and then 8 years on parole, for credit card fraud. Now you know where my experience on this subject comes from.

    In anything less than a maximum security prison, you'd be amazed at how easy it is to get somewhere undetected and do something bad (usually violent) to another inmate. And it can happen in front of 50 other inmates, and I'll bet you money that no one saw a thing.

    Anything that could narrow the location of a particular inmate down to a room or a particular area, quickly, automatically and with a high degree of accuracy, would be a massive improvement over current systems. And it wouldn't necessarily save the lives of just inmates. Guards are around the inmates every day.

    However, I do agree with a point a couple of others have already made. If these chips are in an arm-band or something of that nature, some smart guy with a lot of time on his hands (and everyone in a prison has lots of time to think) is going to figure out how to get the arm-band off. If they're going to do it, they need to do it right. Implant the chip under the skin upon the start of the prison sentence, and remove it upon the day of release.

    You can sign me "been there, done that, got the black and white stripped t-shirt too".