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Mars Rover Opportunity Working Free

VernonNemitz writes "As previously reported, the Mars rover Opportunity ran into more sand (or finer material) than it was designed to handle. While initial attempts to escape may not have accomplished much, the most recent efforts seem to imply that the plucky machine is going to succeed at getting away."

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  1. Its been ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clamped by Martians.

    1. Re:Its been ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      better call angle grinder man!

  2. That's nice by chris09876 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess moving 7.4 centimetres is better than nothing :) It's good they didn't give up on the rover... I'd like to say they've really gotten their moneys worth with these guys, but it's hard to measure the economic payback of the whole "mars exploration" thing... it's more of a long-term investment.

    1. Re:That's nice by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's amazing to see the news (and especially slashdot) making such a big deal over the dune. The only reason that it took so long was because the NASA team, cautious as they were, were spending their time recreating possible scenarios in an oversized sandbox with an Opportunity replica, and trying them out. If you follow the mission, the scientists never sounded particularly concerned.

      Following missions in detail, by the way, is a good way to get an idea of how overcautious these people generally are, even on missions where stuff ends up going wrong. Getting a craft to Mars and making it function there isn't easy, and following a mission (and craft design) in depth really pushes that home.

      Plus, lets not forget that Mars is protected by a Galactic Ghoul that ate 4 out of 5 Soviet craft launched at it. ;)

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    2. Re:That's nice by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only reason that it took so long was because the NASA team, cautious as they were, were spending their time recreating possible scenarios in an oversized sandbox with an Opportunity replica, and trying them out.

      And I suppose that making all of those "rumm rummm" noises was science too, hmm?

    3. Re:That's nice by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i'm not sure overcautious is the word i'd say given the fact the fucking thing is on mars they NEED to be extremely cautious.

      how many sysadmins can honestly say they've never fucked something up on a remote box? now when you fuck up a box in a colo it may well cost you a couple-hundred dollars and/or hours of travel time to fix so you take care!

      now imagine your box is somewhere you CAN'T go and fix it and has all sorts of mechanical parts to fuck up. you are going to be extrodinerally carefull.

      do you really think the rovers would have lasted this long if driven with a gung-ho attitude?

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  3. Re:Ahhh come on!!! by StratoChief66 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the obligatory middle so they can post a story tomorrow about how it is totally stuck again.

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  4. Kudos to NASA and team! by guyfromindia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is great news... The rovers have been going on WAAY beyond their intended lifespan... Maybe we all can learn from the excellent design/descipline that the Engineers used to create these wonders!

    1. Re:Kudos to NASA and team! by Peldor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually it turns out there was a confusion in the units.

      The specifications committee set a working lifespan of 100 days, and the design team thought they meant fortnights.

    2. Re:Kudos to NASA and team! by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Step 2: Tell everyone that you've created a good product with an intended lifespan of 3 months

      There is a real difference between the official, designed lifespan and the expected (or hoped for) lifespan. The widget is truly supposed to function for the official lifespan in order to fulfill the main mission objectives. If it doesn't, it fails the mission. After that time, the mission is a success, no matter how you look at it, and the secondary objectives, extra telemetry, whatever, are gravy as long as NASA is willing to fund the continuing mission operations.

      We have satellites that are way (a decade or more) beyond their designed lifespan, and running out of fuel. It's a good thing they have lasted as long as they have, since certain administrations are more interested in diverting funds to proposed missions that generate headlines instead of missions that provide us with information we need daily about our own planet. Now, big business is asking for a law that will prevent government agencies from allowing the public to access weather data that the taxpaying public paid for because businesses could make more profit by reselling the data. Sometimes I wanna barf.

  5. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I guess ... 7.4 centimetres is better than nothing"

    Yeah, that's what your girlfriend said!!!

    1. Re:Yeah by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Yeah, that's what your girlfriend said!!!"

      Nailing a dude's gf is cool, but what she said about you was pretty cold.

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  6. Episode III at the Megaplex by lexbaby · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was easy, they just had to tell it that it could see R2D2 at the local cinema.

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  7. Monster Garage needs to build the next rover by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only one who thinks NASA / JPL needs to outsource the next rovers to a Monster Garage* build team?

    *Monster Garage is a reality show on The Discovery Channel in which a team of professional and hobbyist mechanics build a vehicle related contraption in 5 days.

    1. Re:Monster Garage needs to build the next rover by rdwald · · Score: 5, Funny

      Am I the only one who thinks NASA / JPL needs to outsource the next rovers to a Monster Garage build team?

      Yes.

    2. Re:Monster Garage needs to build the next rover by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

      Either that or send a small solar-powered tow truck along with every rover. Of course, the towtruck would probably break the rover loading it up, and then bill NASA directly because their rover insurance company refuses to honor the roadside assistance section of their policy because the tow truck wasn't owned by an authorized wrecking company.

      See, this is why the folks at NASA get the big bucks, they have to deal with all of this crap.

  8. Update: Spirit and Opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Observing 'Reef' - sol 477-482, May 17, 2005

    Spirit remains in excellent health. On sols 477, 478 and 479 (May 7 to May 9, 2005), Spirit made observations with remote-sensing instruments and analyzed soil targets with its alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and Mössbauer spectrometer. Spirit then performed a short drive to a target called "Keel," on the outcrop called "Jibsheet." On sol 481, Spirit was able to begin observing a target called "Reef," using the microscopic imager and performing a 16-hour integration with the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. On sol 482 (May 12), Spirit continued work on Reef with instruments on the robotic arm, and performed a 21-hour integration with the Mössbauer spectrometer.

    Spirit's total odometry as of May 12, 2005, is 4,341.19 meters (2.70 miles).

    Spirit Update Archive

    OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Progress Inch-by-Inch for Opportunity - sol 465-466, May 17, 2005

    On Opportunity's first three drives to get out of the sand trap, the rover has advanced a total of 7.4 centimeters (2.9 inches) in getting off the dune. Each of the first two drives -- one on sol 463 and one on sol 465 -- turned the wheels about two and a half rotations, enough to drive two meters (7 feet) if there were no slippage. Images from the hazard-avoidance cameras taken during the drives show that some of caked powder adhering to wheels between cleats had come off. The team was encouraged by the results, and decided go ahead with a 4-meter (13-foot) commanded drive for sol 466.

    Sol-by- sol summaries:

    Sol 465 (May 15, 2005): Opportunity rotated its wheels in a series of 10 steps, each step enough to roll 20 centimeters (7.9 inches) if there were no slippage. The wheels are slipping a great deal in the sand of the dune, but the rover advanced better than anticipated from simulated tests, covering 1.9 centimeters (0.7 inch). The rover used its panoramic camera for observations of the sky and dunes.
    Sol 466 (May 16, 2005): Results from the sol 465 drive were good (some wheel cleats are clean and the rover is making forward progress), so the team commanded a drive that, if there were no slippage, would roll 4 meters (13 feet), consisting of ten 40-centimeter (16 inch) steps. Opportunity gained an additional 2.7 centimeters (1.1 inch). The panoramic camera made more observations of the atmosphere and dunes.

    1. Re:Update: Spirit and Opportunity by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      On Opportunity's first three drives to get out of the sand trap, the rover has advanced a total of 7.4 centimeters (2.9 inches) in getting off the dune.

      With any luck, it'll make par and really show that Tiger Woods a thing or two.

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    2. Re:Update: Spirit and Opportunity by snake_dad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It already struck a hole-in-one when it landed exacly inside Eagly Crater. Principal Investigator Steven Squyres was quoted as saying something like not even Tiger Woods could ever be expected to make that shot.

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  9. Good Job by AT-SkyWalker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When this first happened I remember I read somewhere that the NASA engineers outlined their trouble shooting approach by indicating that they will try to duplicate the situation here on earth and will study every maneuver before performing anything on the real thing on Mars so they won't have to resort to forceful trial and error maneuvering

    This is a shinning example that meticulous work and systematic thinking eventually gets the job done, even if it sounds boring and even if a "quick fix" seems really sexy


    Good Job NASA.
    1. Re:Good Job by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Funny
      This is a shinning example that meticulous work and systematic thinking eventually gets the job done, even if it sounds boring and even if a "quick fix" seems really sexy

      Ob. Simpsons reference....

      Bart: Don't you mean shining?

      Willy: Shh. D'ya wanna get suuuued?

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  10. This never shoulda happened by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should have packed a trunk monkey on the rover. Even if he could only hold his breath for 30 seconds, he would have plenty of time to pull the rover out and still be able to squeegie the solar panels clean.

  11. Just do like Homer by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just do like Homer and drive off with the clamp/boot still attached to the tire.

  12. The Little Rover That Could... by RuneB · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It is interesting that these rovers have exceeded all initial expectations. Every once in a while, something happens to one of the rovers that people say will make it unusable, and the rover has overcome whatever problem occurred and continue onward. I wonder how much of this is just because of good engineering by all the people involved in making the rovers, and how much of it is just plain luck.

    Eventually of course, something will happen to make a rover unusable, but it is interesting that the rovers have lasted this long.

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  13. Practicle Joke by lbmouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe it's becuse it's a Friday afternoon following a long week... but wouldn't it be fun to sneak up to Mars and plays some jokes on the JPL guys? Wait for them to go to bed each night and move the rover 10 feet.

    Is it time to go home yet?

  14. Mars rovers working free?!?! by __aamcgs2220 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh great! There goes the economy! If they're working free it's going to lower the bar on wages for the rest of us! How's a guy supposed to afford a gold-plated Ferrari when the rovers are working free?

  15. "hello, OnStar" by visionsofmcskill · · Score: 4, Funny
    Onstar: "hello, onstar"

    Customer: "help, im stuck in a sand dune"

    OnStar: "ok, you seem to be off our GPS grid for some reason, can you tell me where you are?"

    Customer: "mars"

    OnStar: "......."

    Customer: "hello?"

    OnStar: "just, uh, keep spinning your tires..."

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  16. Hackneyed by Skiron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a terrible shame when quite unbelievable stuff goes on, and is treated as mundane.

    To me, being born before the space race, man on the moon etc., this is still fascinating. Why current the current generation is interested in the slightest, I don't know.

    What all these guys are doing was totally unthinkable 20 years ago.

    Lets hope we will get another 20 years when the next generation filter through.

  17. Re:Yea, more money wasted. by susano_otter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you say.

    You may disagree with how the government spends your money, but at least NASA has to work for its pay.

    This differs greatly from welfare, where you get paid for not working.

    Wake me up when welfare recipients contribute half the science NASA does.

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  18. AAA by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey zplork, looks like that funny car has a problem again.

    What, solar panels dirty again? We just cleaned them last week!

    Naw, it's stuck in the sand.

    Fuggit - let AAA* take car of it!

    (*AAA - Aries Automobile Association).

  19. Not on Slashdot... by EnsilZah · · Score: 2, Funny

    Trying to make fun of someone on slashdot by mentioning he has a girlfriend?
    I think you should reconcider this course of action...

  20. Re:make robots very flexible by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Doubling the components more than doubles the probability of a fault developing, so that's really a Bad Idea, although it sounds good at first. What would be better would be a way for system components to repair themselves (therefore making spare parts unnecessary), and for components to be over spec by enough of a margin that potential situations are within the design tolerences, rather than so close to the limits.

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  21. Re:make robots very flexible by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not necessarily - a raid 1 (mirror) disk is much more reliable than a single disk, and it's exactly double the components - you're spreading the risk. By having two independant robot arms, each one is as likely to fail as having just one, but you still have a working arm. What you're talking about is double the complexity in a single system - I'm talking about fault tolerant redundancy.

    Actually the whole point of my suggestion is just to have a more flexible platform for the ground team to work up solutions with, whatever form it might take. They seem to be pretty good at it, often going beyond the design limitations. Think of what they can accomplish with designed in freedom to reconfigure the mission while it's in progress??

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  22. Re:Monster Garage - Red Thunder by richyoung · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like the John Varley novel "Red Thunder", in which a magic power source removes any weight concerns WRT spaceflight payloads, and the first people on Mars are able to take along an actual hopped-up pickup truck to cruise around the dunes of mars.

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  23. 4 days old news. Still not out by Frans+Faase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Please note that the last report is from May 16. That is four whole days ago. There are some images of three days ago. I guess they haven't made any substantial progress in the past days. To me it seems that they did go backwards a little, but there are also signs that some of the wheels are digging in. And they are still not out of the track. I wonder if they will ever manage to get out of them. It seems to me that the top layer of the sand was actually a little stronger than the stuff below it, and I wonder whether they will be able to get on top of it again. I guess that there is still a substantial chance that Opportunity will not get out, and that this is going to be the resting place of the rover. And mind you, that does not mean the end of science work. There is still much to learn from the daily remote sensing operations. And of course, they will make every attempt to get the rover moving again. Time is on their side.

  24. Re:make robots very flexible by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes, fault tolerence through that kind of redundancy (similar to a scheme Sir Clive Sinclair proposed, about 20 years ago) would certainly improve reliability. As demonstrated by Sir Clive, such a design is practical and workable, and I would agree with you that using it would produce a more flexible, more reliable device.


    Sir Clive's "Great Idea" was to use wafer-scale integration to produce massive redundancy of any given electronic component, and then use filesystem/networking techniques for marking bad regions and routing round them. What you'd end up with is a chip that could take massive punishment and survive physical destruction of even large portions of the surface.


    That would cover electronic systems, and mechanical systems could be duplicated with some sort of tie-in. For example, if joint A on robot arm A fails, and arm B is physically linked, then you can use joint A on arm B as a stand-by.


    If, then, joint B on arm B failed, you could still use joint B on arm A, for the same reason, giving you fail-over at the component level, not the device level.


    That would be something that NASA should definitely explore, and schemes like it, as ways to improve the flexibility and durability of the hardware it launches.

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  25. Re:yeah ! by Electronik · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean:

    "watch that mother burn silicon dioxide", which is in fact 'burnt' already, and wouldn't burn any more in the thin martian atmosphere.

    Sorry for sucking the fun out of that one...

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  26. Re:Phew by NoseBag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, I believe both missions together cost only $800 million.

    A mere pittance...especially when you consider all the "techno-wood*" that has been generated so far. God know how many geekitos and geekitas have been conceived since mission start.

    *Techno-wood is copyleft 2005 NoseBag. Use it at your own peril. I did.

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