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2005 Google U.S. Puzzle Championship

Fortran IV writes "Registration is open for the 2005 Google U.S. Puzzle Championship, Saturday, June 18. Two winners will join Team USA at the 2005 World Puzzle Championship in Eger, Hungary (tourist info here if you read Hungarian). If you're the type who plays 12 simultaneous chess games in your head while debugging code and memorizing logarithm tables, you might have a chance of teaming up with last year's champ Roger Barkan (previous Slashdot coverage). If you just like puzzles, register here for the most intense (and fastest) 2-1/2 hours of the year. For a faint shadow of the real thing, take the practice test, which Barkan can probably complete in about 8 minutes; for a true challenge, the complete 2004 test is still available."

121 comments

  1. Re:Transhumans beat all. by agentcdog · · Score: 2, Funny

    What the hell is a transhuman, and why don't I have one??

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  2. I obviously could never compete. by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't even figure out how to start the test. It reminds me of the joke where you paint on an index card on both sides,"How do you confuse a moron? Flip card."

    Password:

    The test is a PDF/Acrobat 5 file. You must have at least the Adobe Acrobat 4 reader (v5.1 not recommended). Download the latest Acrobat Reader here.

    2. Read Preview Instructions Run Acrobat and decrypt the Preview Instructions file using the password shown above. You should print and read the Preview Instructions well in advance

    1. Re:I obviously could never compete. by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The password for the practice test is kronos.

      There's a link to the password below.

    2. Re:I obviously could never compete. by agentcdog · · Score: 1

      There's actually a link to "get the password," in number three. It's confusing because it is referring to the actual test. The link does work for the practice test, however.

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    3. Re:I obviously could never compete. by falconfox · · Score: 1

      pw: kronos

    4. Re:I obviously could never compete. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kronos: a reference to the password to the evil lair's mainframe in The Incredibles...

    5. Re:I obviously could never compete. by Marvin_OScribbley · · Score: 1

      and the Klingon homeworld...

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    6. Re:I obviously could never compete. by plaxion · · Score: 1

      Duh, it's the first part of the puzzle you are supposed to solve! ;)

    7. Re:I obviously could never compete. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I wonder if that movie reference was intentional.

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    8. Re:I obviously could never compete. by kesuki · · Score: 1

      In addition, gpdf loads the pdfs just fine. I'd just like to point that out, because it does, as I was able to answer 0 of the practice test questions in the allotted time*..

      The only one I could have solved was solved in the 'hints' pdf, so ah well --;

      *= in this case the time it took me to give up on solving any of the problems...

  3. I took the practice test by MoreDruid · · Score: 4, Funny

    and the answer was 42

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  4. Re:PDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just a PDF! The first PDF is password-protected (but the password is written on the page). The second PDF has a password but it's not written anywhere...

  5. Anyone call up Kim Peek? by Delilah+Jones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They should invite Kim Peek. You know, the guy who inspired the movie "Rain Man."

    http://users.lk.net/~stepanov/mnemo/kimpeeke.html

    Or are idiot savants barred from such competitions?

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    1. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Kim Peek can't compete, he's able to do a few tasks extremely efficiently, very very well, and his brain houses an enormous amount of archived data but any challenge outside his narrow range of useless natural abilities and he falls flat on his face. He wasn't born a creative genius, just a genius.
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    2. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      Difrent kind of inteligence , I dare say even people like Einstein or Da-vinci would not gotten to far on these types of puzzles.
      Idiot savants are masters of a certain skills(or more) , yet will seem to have very low inteligence when challanged in areas outside of their experties I belive Kim Peeke was a master of calculations and acruing information , so i dare say logic puzzles would be outside his field .

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    3. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Hold on, isn't da Vinci usually held up as the kind of person who would do well on these kind of tests? Ya know, renaissance man and all that.

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    4. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      .A brilliant man
      he was skilled in many things.
      painting / drawing / sculpture
      civil engineering / geology
      architecture / mechanical inventions
      anatomy
      creative writing / story telling
      philosophy
      journaling / self-promotion
      musician / vocalist
      He was a thinker and could come up with soloutions to work in the real world , his abstract inteligence was brilliant but it was let out in his creative vive , his painting and music , I do not belive he would have been all that skilled at abstract puzzles .Added to the fact he was noted as being profoundly dyslexic which could ofcourse make puzzles which are not tailored to account for that fact tricky
      Ofcourse it is totaly debateable considering how long he has been dead .

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    5. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Not really. Da Vinci would nowadays probably be diagnosed with ADD. He was highly interested in many, many things and quite incapable of finishing most of them.

    6. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      Good thing we have drugs to cure such horrible disorders nowadays, eh? ;)

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    7. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      If treated properly ADD/ADHD can be curbed just enough to counter alot of the negative effects , ofcourse it keeps getting diagnosed willy-nilly and thrown to everyone who fidgets nowadays it seems.
      Being someone who is living with ADHD i am quite thankfull for the treatment , I more like to think of it as what could da-vinci of achived had he been properly helped with it.
      Given rather more focus to his various skills and allowed to fully develop the concepts , rather than having a new thought half way through and having to quickly nip off to do that ;)

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    8. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by onwardknave · · Score: 1

      David Tammet (from Kent, UK) was recently on a Discovery Channel special titled "Brain Man" -- he's much like Kim Peek (who he meets during the documentary), but he can clearly articulate what is happening inside his head... "how" he sees numbers and patterns. Speaking of puzzles, NPR had this year's crossword champion... if anyone wants to do 8 crosswords a day as their "training regimen" you might have a shot.

    9. Re:Anyone call up Kim Peek? by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

      Like any talented artist, Da Vinci surely had the ability to create a vivid image in his mind and hold on to it for the days or weeks necessary to bring it to reality. He also had the ability to invent new and unconventional approaches to problems. He would probably have been very good at pencil-and-paper puzzles like these.

      But would they have interested him?

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  6. Slashcode deleted the punchline by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    Password: See Below

    The test is a PDF/Acrobat 5 file. You must have at least the Adobe Acrobat 4 reader (v5.1 not recommended). Download the latest Acrobat Reader here.

    2. Read Preview Instructions Run Acrobat and decrypt the Preview Instructions file using the password shown above. You should print and read the Preview Instructions well in advance

  7. whew, those are some tough puzzles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    To download the files to disk:
    On PC's - Right click on the link and save file to disk

    I stopped here. How about you guys?

    1. Re:whew, those are some tough puzzles by ggvaidya · · Score: 1
    2. Re:whew, those are some tough puzzles by VStrider · · Score: 1

      I'm a Firefox user and still use wget when i want to start a download and logoff (wget -b somefile). What's wget got to do with lynx?

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  8. For 2004... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the freaking password for the PDF. Give a link and no password? The nerve...

    1. Re:For 2004... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      2004:
      - instructions: endeavor
      - test: xcode6fire

      2005:
      - instructions: hello
      - test: kronos

    2. Re:For 2004... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that the answer to your question is RIGHT ON THE FUCKING PAGE, I think it's fair to say that this challenge is not for you.

  9. Offtopic? by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    I wonder if any subject or news item could be unrelated to transhumanism.

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    1. Re:Offtopic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My impression of you: Transhumanism? Transhumanism, transhumanism transhumanism transhumanism transhumanism, transhumanism. Transhumanism! Transhumanism transhumanism.

  10. Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That major in Hungarian Literature is paying off!

  11. What puzzles games do you know? by johansalk · · Score: 1

    Ever since I switched from palm to pocketpc I have sorely missed vexed, possibly the best puzzle game I have ever played. On my desktop I play chess. What puzzle games do you guys know for either desktop windows or pocketpc?

    1. Re:What puzzles games do you know? by agentcdog · · Score: 1

      There's an old MS Pocketpc game called cinco that is like mindmaster with five-letter words. Push-push on my old samsung phone was the best. Hercule for the palm was good too.

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    2. Re:What puzzles games do you know? by FRiC · · Score: 1

      Vexed has been ported to just about every known platform. Try searching for irked.

    3. Re:What puzzles games do you know? by oever · · Score: 1

      Check out this one.

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    4. Re:What puzzles games do you know? by halleluja · · Score: 1

      Mahjongg.

    5. Re:What puzzles games do you know? by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      http://www.ipidooma.net/irked/

      A Pocket PC port of Vexed. (For all Pocket PC gaming news, check out http://www.pocketgamer.org/

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  12. Re:PDF? by mister_tim · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sorry - you fail already.

    Did you not read the bit where it said "Password (see notes below)"?

    And below there was a link to follow to get the password. Clever password it was too - very apt for a challenging puzzle; a nice reference to those who came before them.

  13. Re:PDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "IAMACompleteMoron" works as a password, I'm serious! I can't figure out why, because that isn't the password they give, but it works, I swear, try it! Make sure to get the caps right or it doesn't work.

  14. Is it all just for fun? by broothal · · Score: 1

    So howcome Google doesn't hire the top X contestants? I assumed that was why they made this competition - to find qualified employees? Afaik, none of the participants has been hired.

    1. Re:Is it all just for fun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw this post in the previous thread of the 2004 coverage. Looks like they might hold out an offer if the contestant is interested.

    2. Re:Is it all just for fun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that they're also observing HOW people solve the puzzles. Why hire when you can learn to do it yourself?

    3. Re:Is it all just for fun? by pla · · Score: 1

      I suspect that they're also observing HOW people solve the puzzles.

      Except, the way they want you to submit answers wouldn't tend to reveal anything about the method used to get to those answers...

    4. Re:Is it all just for fun? by zerbot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google didn't start this competition, they just started sponsoring it a few years ago.

      There is a checkmark on the registration page that you check if you would like to receive notices of employment opportunities.

    5. Re:Is it all just for fun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, I know at least 4 people who work at Google (total I know 6) and they are anything but smart. They're pretty average, and add to that the fact that they think they're something else, it turns them into they type of people you just try to avoid. How did they get in? They were friends with the "big bosses"...

      The attitude problem though... That's kind of like folks working for Netscape 10 years ago. It will pass...

    6. Re:Is it all just for fun? by lurkwarbler · · Score: 1

      See this entry in the Google Weblog by Google employee Wei-Hwa Huang. It mentions that the best performers in the US Puzzle Championship go on to form part of the US team in the World Puzzle Championships; Wei-Hwa has been part of the US team for each of the past 12 years and won the whole World Championships in 1995, 1997, 1998 and 1999. It's fair to say that the conduit between impressive competitors in the championships and Google is pretty well-defined, to both parties' benefit - though, like you, I don't know of any Google employees who joined as a result of their participation.

      If you're interested in the World Puzzle Championships, I blogged live from their finals day last year.

      Chris Dickson (82nd out of 90, 2004 World Puzzle Championships)

  15. Re:Transhumans beat all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What the hell is a transhuman, and why don't I have one??
    No, no, it is GOOD that you don't, you want to try and reduce your intake of trans fatty humanism.
  16. first question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    42133142?

    1. Re:first question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it even possible to fulfill the requirement imposed by the "3" next to the second row? While keeping in mind the "4" requirement of the third column? I must be missing something painfully obvious here.

    2. Re:first question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not *too* painfully obvious.
      One building a size larger in front of another removes it from view. So to see 3 buildings, possible combinations are:
      1243 - 4 blocks 3
      1342 - 4 blocks 2
      2341 - 4 blocks 1
      1324 - 3 blocks 2
      2314 - 3 blocks 1
      2134 - 2 blocks 1

      The "4" requirement makes this one pretty easy, as you can see from the above list that only one possible combination has a "2" in the third slot.

    3. Re:first question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 2 1 3
      1 3 2 4
      2 4 3 1
      3 1 4 2

    4. Re:first question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, I played an educational game based on that type of puzzle back in the early 90's.

  17. Google goes fishing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wild. The problems all fit into the NP-hard category, which makes sense considering what google does.

    I think that part of the challenge is to solve the problems without completely solving the problem, e.g. don't do any unnecessary work (like don't fill in the 3rd row for 'Skyscrapers'.

    I would also guess that all of them have some kind of algorithmic solution, I just can't see it for 'Corral', yet...

    1. Re:Google goes fishing... by finnw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Outside help of any kind is not permitted. This means: no assistance of any kind from any other person; also no books, calculators, computers, or tools other than items explicitly permitted. You are allowed to use writing implements, erasers, paper, and any items explicitly required to solve a specific problem. (All such items are listed on the Hints and Tips page.)


      Maybe this means they are not trying to find people who can come up with algorithmic solutions.
      Or maybe they are but they don't want fast coding ability to be a factor.
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    2. Re:Google goes fishing... by Mr.Zong · · Score: 1

      Like all puzzles of this nature (or all things in nature, if you will), it's simply pattern recognition.

      Mind you, these are low probability patterns, and "normal" (the mean of a given social index) people have trouble with identifying low probability relationships between objects.

      I love these kinds of tests, but I've always assumed that they represented subconscious abnormality to "tap in" to the human brains raw pattern recognition ability.

      Does that mean you can teach yourself to solve problems of this nature? Or is it simply a handful of odd neural pathways that formed during the developmental period that make the connection between these relationships easier for you to identify (Chaos theory rears its ugly head again)?

    3. Re:Google goes fishing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fast coding != Good Algorithms

      In fact, they are generally at odds with each other.

      My point was, that, to solve each puzzle, you needed an algorithm of some kind, executed in meatspace.

      The better your algorithm, the quicker you solve the puzzle.

    4. Re:Google goes fishing... by tricorn · · Score: 1

      Since they give the directions to the puzzle in advance, most or all of them could also be coded in advance. Also, most of them can be solved fairly easily using brute-force combinatorics. If using a computer was allowed, and a day in advance to read the directions for each puzzle and write some code, I could probably solve every one of those problems very quickly (mostly the time to enter in the specifics of the problem).

    5. Re:Google goes fishing... by Fortran+IV · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since they give the directions to the puzzle in advance, most or all of them could also be coded in advance.

      Oh yes? For the 2004 test, what kind of process would you create from the directions, "How many circles are either shown or implied by the diagram?"

      Or take number 19, "Corral". From the directions and the example, how would you anticipate that the actual problem used a hex grid instead of a square grid, requiring a very different approach?

      And even for the ones where the instructions are fairly clear, just how many of them could you really code (and debug!) in 24 hours? Number 22 for instance, where your program has to allow for competition-time entry of several different factors (the puzzle background, the totals, the circles for horizontal and vertical pairings).

      For now, the human brain is still the most versatile (and most rapidly reprogrammable) problem-solving computer.

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  18. To the surprise of nobody... by Create+an+Account · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... I am an MBA student (honor student, at that) and I could not get close to any of these questions. I mean, it wasn't even approximately in my reach. F*ck.

    1. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by hazem · · Score: 1

      I have an MBA... not honors... but got the first two okay.

      The trick is to figure out which values each square can NOT be. Once you start doing that, you find that from the ones left, you only get certain answers.

      On the one where you see the buildings, you have the whole row that said you could see 4... they could only go 1,2,3,4, going down. You now know that for the other 3 columns, none of the rows can contain another 1,2,3, or 4 (respectively).

      So, then look at the 2nd row down, and you have to be able to see 3 going across. Well, that 2 in the 3rd position means only a 4 can be on the right, as if it were any where else, it would block too many. So, the 1st to colunmns in row 2 are either 1, or 3. If you put 3 in front, you can't see 1 and 2 (in the middle), so that row HAS to be 1,3,2,4.

      Start applying similar logic to each of the other cells and you'll get it. It can be helpful to write each number 1,2,3,4 in each cell, and cross out the ones it can't be. You soon find that you end up with the only answer it CAN be.

      The 2nd puzzle can be done the same way.

    2. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by ameoba · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're an MBA - most of us around here are suprised if you can read and write let alone click a mouse and download the test.

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    3. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The only thing these puzzles are good for is to figure out who's good at solving these kinds of puzzles.

      And an amazing puzzle solver doesn't strike me as the sort of person I'd want to write computer software alongside. As a secondary strength, sure, but not in the diva "I'm such a genius so I don't need comments, you wouldn't understand my code anyway" sort of way.

    4. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bite...

      Its obvious you have no idea what an MBA is and prefer to trash it because you can't bear to see MBAs make it to the top while you're left editing firewall rules.

      An MBA automatically implies the successful completion of a Bachelors degree. Typically this is where most people stop their education. Most MBA schools require a minimum of two years of work experience, so that means they didn't just go to school becuase they couldn't find a job. Bottom line: An MBA is a sign of an accomplished, motivated individual who is willing to make sacrifices for what they would like to achieve in life.

      Disclaimer: I tried, but could never get myself to give up a paycheck and go back to the lecture hall. Bachelors in CS.

    5. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An MBA automatically implies the successful completion of a Bachelors degree.

      True - but plenty of marginal students finish college.

      Typically this is where most people stop their education.

      True - but this doesn't imply any specific value to an MBA.

      Most MBA schools require a minimum of two years of work experience, so that means they didn't just go to school becuase they couldn't find a job.

      Many MBAs I've known got an MBA because they couldn't find a good job with the degree they had. I mean, seriously, WTF do you do with a liberal arts degree, except teach or be an office drone?

      Bottom line: An MBA is a sign of an accomplished, motivated individual who is willing to make sacrifices for what they would like to achieve in life.

      Yeah, there are a few of those.

      A more realistic way to look at it is that MBAs are often people who couldn't turn their BA in whatever[1] into a decent paying job or a steady paycheck, so they went back to school in the hopes of finding a better job when they got out. Never realizing, of course, that the reason the job market didn't want them is because they wasted their four years of college on a useless degree.

      Lots of people go to grad school to hide from the real world for a while. Unfortunately, you can't suddenly pursue that PhD in genetics or masters in [some other useful subject] if you were a jackass who wasted your undergrad years studying Italian literature.

      Hence the MBA: a graduate program for people who lacked the sense to pick a useful field of study as an undergrad.


      [1] English, history, other social "sciences" and so on.

    6. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with MBAs (or the BS) is that there are a million useless degrees out there that don't mean anything. You need to specify "an MBA from XYZ" where XYZ is an accredited institution.

      A Masters of something or Ph.D. also says you have a Bachelors of something, but that you aren't jumping on the MBA bandwagon.

    7. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if it's an MBA from Harvard or Tepper? Does that mean something?

    8. Re:To the surprise of nobody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Most MBA schools require a minimum of two years of work experience,"

      You forgot the word good. It should have appeared between "Most" and "MBA."

      There are many MBA schools where an MBA is just another piece of paper that isn't quite as comfortable or absorbent as real toilet paper.

      Even with the good MBA schools, it's quite possible to go through without any capacity for critical thought. I got into an argument with an MBA from Penn (their Wharton isone of the top business schools). He had excellent recall, but was not able to offer a single logical argument. His replies basically consisted of "You kow[sic] nothing." Eighteen years of schooling and he hadn't even mastered frickin' spell check?

      Apparently he was one of the dot com millionaires who bought his way into school after the natural incoherence of his business plan imploded.

      I will agree that MBAs are motivate; the process does ensure that. However, there's nothing that says that an MBA will be *smart*. It's not the kind of degree where brains are required.

  19. Looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story isn't gonna get alot of posts for at least 2-1/2 hours! :D

    1. Re:Looks like by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Haha

      This is why people like you and me will never be able to succeed in a test like that.

      When I read the story and went to the site, I went "great... They advertize a test that happened two days ago. Zonk is starting to become just like the others." and I was trying to find when the submitter submit his news.

      I was maybe 20 minutes into the practice test when I thought.. "Hey.. we're saturday. Test couldn't have been may 18th!".

      Of course not.. The test is on June 18th. In one month.

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  20. Solved! by Che+Guevarra · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, just kidding. I got stuck on the practice puzzle when it asked for a password. I have my cluster working on that though.

  21. Re:PDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol your teh funny amirite crackychan!!!!111one

  22. Re:Transhumans beat all. by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, in 2312.

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  23. Get those brains smoking! by nyri · · Score: 1
  24. For those too stupid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those too stupid to find the password, here it is:






    3. Start Test On Saturday, June 18 at 1pm EDT/10am PDT (GMT-4), get the password for the test. For the Practice Test, you can do this any time.

  25. Re:PDF? by zerbot · · Score: 1

    And here I thought I was being clever by using as the password.

  26. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I'll go find some pr0n. Might be a more productive use of my time.

    1. Re:Yeah... by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Or try www.notpron.com instead.

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  27. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AC's have all the best lines. Very funny.

  28. trolling to trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im trolling,

    but anyone who had adhd would have typed thru instead of through.

    and, i dont have adhd, so if you never read this, i wont care :)

    1. Re:trolling to trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats what ADD drugs do to you :P
      Extrapolation of information going through to the nation

  29. Team USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why "Team USA" and not "Team America"?

    1. Re:Team USA? by coopex · · Score: 0

      Cause Team America's too busy pissing off the rest of the world.

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  30. only on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would somoeone waste anonymity on a comment like that

  31. How's everybody doing? by zerbot · · Score: 1

    3 down, 2 to go for me.

    1. Re:How's everybody doing? by deshkanna · · Score: 1

      Hey I have solved 1,2 and 5. Did you notice that Puzzle 5 had appeared in 2004 U.S. Puzzle Championship (Puzzle no.15) "Television...is something the Russians invented to destroy American education." - Erdos

  32. First answer by xtracto · · Score: 1

    Well, I think I got an answer for the 1st one:

    A) In the column with 4 buildings (top to bottom): 1 2 3 4

    B Column with 3 buildings: 1 3 2 4 (number 2 corresponds to A column)

    C Column with 2 buildings(bottom to top) : 1 4 3 2
    (3 corresponds to B Column)

    Mmm... the other numbers you can put whatever you want.

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    1. Re:First answer by Quill_28 · · Score: 1

      How long? I thought this was very easy. Maybe that's why it's first?

      But the another numbers can't be put any way you want? Remember no repetition?

      But once you have the first 3 lines the rest is pretty easy.

    2. Re:First answer by msaulters · · Score: 1

      NO! In the other places, you CANNOT put whatever you want. The puzzle explicitly states that no numbers are repeated in any row or column.

      You ARE correct in your listing of the three 'clue' rows/columns. But, if you look at what you have now, you see that for each remaining row or column, there are two blanks that can only be filled with numbers that aren't already in that row or column. For each, there is a right combination and a wrong one, which would result in a duplicate number for another row or column.

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  33. Finished (with all correct)... by Ichoran · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but way too slowly. I have no idea how the champions can churn through 25 of these in two and a half hours--that's one every six minutes. Yikes!

    (Just to demonstrate that I have finished--the diagonal sums to 12 for the first one, and to 18 in the second, no hints on the third, the first three blocks sum to the size of the fourth block for number 4, and the diagonal on the last ends with "YES". You can probably get all these answers by pretending to have finished and looking at the answer key, but I haven't bothered trying that again, so I'm not really sure.)

    I get the feeling that the "find the image that..." puzzles would be a lot easier if you printed out the document and cut them up. I wonder if that's within the rules?

    1. Re:Finished (with all correct)... by zerbot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Scissors are on the allowed materials list.

    2. Re:Finished (with all correct)... by Fortran+IV · · Score: 3, Informative
      I have no idea how the champions can churn through 25 of these in two and a half hours--that's one every six minutes. Yikes!

      I competed myself last year; I submitted 8 correct answers and no wrong ones, finishing well out of the top 50%; I eventually solved 18 of the 25 puzzles, but only over the course of several days.

      I believe that the people who solve these in 2-1/2 hours are doing nearly all the work in their heads, whether it's a rolling block puzzle or a crossword, then simply scribbling down the entire solution at once. A fantastic memory--swift, accurate, and strongly visual--is a definite advantage in this competition (an advantage I don't have).

      More than a little mathematical background isn't unhelpful either. For one puzzle I did solve last year, #19 "Point Pairs", it's helpful to know more Pythagorean triplets than 3,4,5. I did it rather quickly (that is, in under an hour) but it was one of the 5 least solved puzzles last year.

      What little advice I can offer:

      • Have lots of sharpened pencils, scratch paper, and a good eraser waiting.
      • Go to the bathroom just before time for the test.
      • Print more than one copy of the test.
      • Don't wait for the last page to print before you start working on the first page.
      • If you're married or involved, get your SO to take the kids to the zoo for the afternoon, so you have peace and quiet to work. For the rest of you, lock the basement door and tell your parents not to knock for the next 2-1/2 hours.
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    3. Re:Finished (with all correct)... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea how the champions can churn through 25 of these in two and a half hours--that's one every six minutes. Yikes!

      I've wondered if people don't team up on these contests. I think it would be fun to get four or five of my smartest friends together for a couple hours of divide & conquer puzzle solving instead of the usual bloody Scrabble or bridge games.

      No one's watching - it'd be easy to print up 8 copies for you and three buddies to work on together.

  34. What flavor of puzzles are these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Spatial cognition?
    i.e. Maze, shape correlation, ...

    Characteristics correlation?
    Jim had two eggs for breakfast. A cat and a half ate a rat and a half in a day and a half. What do the two have in common?

    More specific pattern recognition like.
    Jigsaw?

    ???

  35. Re:Transhumans beat all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am so sick of people calling themselves "transhumans" there are *no* transhumans, there are only people who advocate it, aka. transhumanists. (yeah and before you say it some dude with a pacermaker is "transhuman".... right...).

    To be a transhumanist you have to advocate the marriage of machines, technology (nanotech, biotech) with humans. But on the whole the people who advocate such a theory haven't considered the moral, philosophical and even technical implications of transhumanism and tend to be incredibly ignorant apes.

    For example. when I use a computer, am I not augmenting myself? A hammer? Am I not a cyborg, am I not transhuman when I get inside a car or ride a bike? How are these different from being able to replace legs with wheels? How is google different from having an auto-memory?

    Oh that's right, you like to make a big deal out of your little "futurist" theory because the future is "cool" and you haven't the capacity to see the wonders and operations of technology in our present day and age. There are no end of these people preying on the "coolness" of the "future" like the college professor who claims a chip in his arm makes him the first cyborg, forgetting the first pacemaker, or hearing aid. Forgeting the sword and the bow.

    Transhumanists and futurists etc. are without deviation snake oil salesmen and dreamers. I am not saying thinking about the future is bad, but thinking in such utterly *stupid* terms is worthy of contempt.

    Without fail, these people are from the sciences, who may gave a better grasp of the potential technologies, but in their ignorance of history forget how radical the changes that have already occured have been.

    Go to any "transhumanist" website or description and it will be *dripping* in buzzwords and bullshit. The problems, questions and answers to the singularity, skynet, and other AI fantasies or to transhumanism and the "posthuman" condition won't be found in some over-cooked science drop-outs rantings, they will be found in a proper philosophical and cultural analysis.

    I will stress again, I am not saying these questions aren't interesting. But transhumanism is a proto-cult about the promise of the future dreamed up by those who do not fit into the present (not a bad thing) and fail to see why (stupid).

  36. Eger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.egeronline.com/guide/guide.php?show=sig htseeing&lang=en is in fact much better a website than www.eger.hu.

    (is Quicktime evil?)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eger

  37. Eger, link corrected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sorry, it is rather http://www.egeronline.com/index.php?lang=en that takes you to the English language section. direct linking didn't work...dunno why.

  38. Photoshop by charon_1 · · Score: 0

    Could you use Photoshop and just overlay the images? That would make it infinitely easier.

    1. Re:Photoshop by zerbot · · Score: 1

      That's against the rules, but I'm sure that someone will do that. But that won't help with the rest of the puzzles. Someone who is good at these will be able to do it faster than someone using Photoshop anyway.

  39. branding by Heisenbug · · Score: 1

    If they can get "Google Puzzle Championship" stuck in all our heads, it helps preserve their image as the place where all the smartest geeks hang out. That's the kind of advertising money can't buy, at least directly.

    Plus, it's fun and they felt like it. That's how the whole Google thing started in the first place, right?

  40. Visual bias by dyscant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Educators and psychologists often categorize people by the method of learning/analyzing that is most effective for each person. [visual, kinesthetic, and aural are the three common options] And unlike the vast majority of people, visual cues are not my primary method. In fact, visual reasoning is dead last for me. A few examples: word searches are incredibly challenging for me, if I drop anything in tall grass I have a difficult time finding it, I'm terrible at visually estimating volume, etc.

    However, in most regards I would be considered to have above-average intelligence. Fantastic memory, strong lateral thinking, keen reasoning, etc. So I am continually aware that puzzles, IQ tests, and brain teasers always have a strong visual bias. Perhaps it is just a matter of convenience that visual puzzles are easier to represent on paper. But I wish that puzzles like this could incorporate more aural, kinesthetic, or narrative reasoning skills.

    1. Re:Visual bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... if I drop anything in tall grass I have a difficult time finding it..."

      Colour blind? (Reminded me of a friend.)

  41. My crosseyedness pays off! by jeremy+f · · Score: 1

    For the question that asks you to find the picture that's the same as the mirror image, just cross or blur your eyes to create a stereogram of any two images.

    Look for the spot in the two images makes your eyes hurt, and that's what's different about that image.

    Repeat until you can match up each of those differences to the main image, and there's your solution.

    Unfortunately, this tecnique has the slight side effect of leaving you unable to focus on anything on your monitor, so I cannot be held respponsible if this message has any typos.

    Oh and I was able to load the PDF in my browser, not saving it to disk first. They should give me extra points for that!

    1. Re:My crosseyedness pays off! by jrboatright · · Score: 2, Informative

      for the question that asks you to find the matching mirror image, tear out the original, flip it over, hold the page up to the light, and find the one that doesn't match. . .

    2. Re:My crosseyedness pays off! by esky · · Score: 1

      Or just ignore the original, then focus on individual details of the answers, checking them against each other, and look for differences.

  42. puzzles and google employment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    consider for a moment that the founders of Google did not have to solve any such puzzles to start their company.

    The really bright people will walk around the hoop rather than figure out how to dive through it better.

    And I am a person who takes GREs, MATs and so on just for fun. But the big picture is vastly more important than mere "how to solve it" skills. Both of course are best, but in my experience (for example as a senior engineer for Apple), people who excel in the details are exploited by those who excel in the big picture.

  43. Another hint for numbers 1 and 2 by B2K3 · · Score: 1

    For the first problem, the sum of each row and column is 10.

    For the second problem, the sum of each row, column, white region, and gray region is 28.

    1. Re:Another hint for numbers 1 and 2 by hazem · · Score: 1

      For the first problem, the sum of each row and column is 10.

      I'm not saying you didn't solve it, but you can come up with that statement simply from the directions.

      They say each row/column has a 1,2,3,4. 1+2+3+4 = 10. The trick is knowing what order they go in!

  44. Thank you. by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    A lot of good points.

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  45. Point by point. by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    First of all, thank you for writing this. I'd also like to thank the one who modded it up.

    I am so sick of people calling themselves "transhumans" there are *no* transhumans, there are only people who advocate it, aka. transhumanists. (yeah and before you say it some dude with a pacermaker is "transhuman".... right...).

    I am not a full transhuman. I would like to be one.

    To be a transhumanist you have to advocate the marriage of machines, technology (nanotech, biotech) with humans. But on the whole the people who advocate such a theory haven't considered the moral, philosophical and even technical implications of transhumanism and tend to be incredibly ignorant apes.

    No, to be a transhuman...you have to be transhuman.

    For example. when I use a computer, am I not augmenting myself? A hammer? Am I not a cyborg, am I not transhuman when I get inside a car or ride a bike? How are these different from being able to replace legs with wheels? How is google different from having an auto-memory?

    The line is usually given as the skin. Having had a castration done, I am technically posthuman in a nonsuperficial way.

    Oh that's right, you like to make a big deal out of your little "futurist" theory because the future is "cool" and you haven't the capacity to see the wonders and operations of technology in our present day and age. There are no end of these people preying on the "coolness" of the "future" like the college professor who claims a chip in his arm makes him the first cyborg, forgetting the first pacemaker, or hearing aid. Forgeting the sword and the bow.

    It will be interesting. "Cool" is not a technical term, and has little meaning.

    Transhumanists and futurists etc. are without deviation snake oil salesmen and dreamers. I am not saying thinking about the future is bad, but thinking in such utterly *stupid* terms is worthy of contempt.

    Sure you can make money off it. A good amount really are dreamers (not a bad thing) and not out to make money.

    Without fail, these people are from the sciences, who may gave a better grasp of the potential technologies, but in their ignorance of history forget how radical the changes that have already occured have been.

    Is this worse than the inevitable ethicists, philosophers, and theologians that crop up in any article on contraversial science?

    Go to any "transhumanist" website or description and it will be *dripping* in buzzwords and bullshit. The problems, questions and answers to the singularity, skynet, and other AI fantasies or to transhumanism and the "posthuman" condition won't be found in some over-cooked science drop-outs rantings, they will be found in a proper philosophical and cultural analysis.

    They will be found in both.

    I will stress again, I am not saying these questions aren't interesting. But transhumanism is a proto-cult about the promise of the future dreamed up by those who do not fit into the present (not a bad thing) and fail to see why (stupid).

    I don't fit into the present.

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  46. Corral by esky · · Score: 1

    For #4 Corral, can the border corners touch each other? (i.e. in their example, look at the 7, then extend the border just for this example, adding only the block below 7, making its corner touch the corner of 2...) If you can have them touch like that, then I don't really even know how to approch this :( Got 1 - 3 though

    1. Re:Corral by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

      Nope, no touching corners.

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  47. Apostrophe abusive puzzle by aqk · · Score: 1

    To download the files to disk: On PC's - Right click on the link and save file to disk
    On MAC's - Click and hold on the link and save file to disk


    I'm already confused. Who is PC? And on PC's what? Right- Click on what?
    For that matter, Mac's what? Who is Mac?
    Clearly a case of misplaced apostrophes here.
    But that's another puzzle, I assume...

  48. Hmmm by kyrredyr · · Score: 1

    This seems like a tough competition. Or maybe I'm just stupid?

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    1. Re:Hmmm by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

      Don't feel stupid. It's a very tough competition. The median score for Americans last year was 82 out of a possible 432 points, about 19%.

      But it's also sort of specialized to certain kinds of problem-solving ability and appallingly memory-intensive--there's simply not time to solve these problems on paper. I know some very bright people who'd be utterly bumfuzzled by this competition.

      But if you like these sorts of puzzles, it's still a ton of fun.

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  49. Re:First answer SPOILERS... by AkaXakA · · Score: 1

    You're correct at first, but you can't put the other numbers whereever you want, as you can't repeat them.

    So the block will look like:

    4213
    1324
    2431
    3142
  50. Re:PDF? by AkaXakA · · Score: 1

    a nice reference to those who came before them

    Yup! Incredibles!

  51. Re:First answer SPOILERS... by jmacleod9975 · · Score: 1

    I thought you need to be able to see 3 buildings in the second row. Wouldn't 1324 mean you can only see the first 2 buildings because the 3 would block the 2?