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More Details on IE7 Tabs

GraemeDonaldson writes "Another member of the IE dev team, Tony Schreiner, has revealed details of IE7's tabbed browsing implementation including the fact that the user will retain control over how tabs are handled." From the post: "Regarding script, there is no "target='_tab'" feature or any direct access to tabs from script beyond what is available with multiple windows today. We are working on balancing the default behavior for whether a window opened from script opens as in a new frame or a tab. Currently, windows that have been customized, such as hiding a toolbar or making the window non-resizable, will default to opening in their own standalone frame, whereas ordinary pop-up windows will open in a new foreground tab. CTRL-clicking and middle-clicking links will open those links in a background tab."

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  1. sounds like... by torrents · · Score: 5, Funny

    someone's been using firefox!!!

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    1. Re:sounds like... by uhlume · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's idiotic. I can't imagine why anyone would care that they "copied" Firefox et al in providing tabbed browsing, which has become a standard feature in practically every current browser -- so why on earth should they confuse people by using their own proprietary invocation method just to differentiate their product, when every other browser on the market uses middle-click?

      I can imagine the uproar from people just like you if Microsoft actually followed your advice: "They're breaking standards! They introduced their own incompatible proprietary interface just to promote browser lock-in!"

      Criticize them for their predatory business practices all you like, but this kind of shit is purely assinine.

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  2. no more ie7 tab news! by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    enough about tabs! as a web developer here's topics i'd like to hear about:
    • correct implementation of box model
    • support for png alpha transparency
    • full support for css2
    • support for application/xhtml+xml mime type
    let's worry about the back end before we do anything with the front end
    1. Re:no more ie7 tab news! by Chromodromic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Amen, brother.

      I mean, don't we already have great browsers with tabs? I'm using one right now. All this news about tabs in IE is a little like Ford announcing a new product: a gas-powered, horseless carriage which will convey any number up to four passengers at a high rate of speed and without all the hassle horses require!

      "Yay," yells the crowd! "And it will run over standard roads, too, won't it?"

      "Standard roads? Oh, now let's not get carried away, son! No, SPECIAL roads will be required because, um, because, oh! Because ours is a SPECIAL vehicle, so we need SPECIAL roads and we'll build them and charge a minimal toll."

      "Fuck you!" yells the crowd! Microsoft won't lend full support to CSS2 because they claim it's a flawed specification, which, of course, is true, in the sense that revenue model for Microsoft was not built into it.

      To hell with this. I'm going to switch from Firefox because IE finally got tabbed browsing? Yawn. I have Maxthon installed and I *still* use Firefox.

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    2. Re:no more ie7 tab news! by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 4, Informative

      for those interested to know more about support for application/xhtml+xml mime type, let me sum it up for you:

      basically, every time something loads in your browser, several headers are sent before the content, letting the browser know what to do with it. this is how it knows to display web pages in the viewport versus downloading compressed files. specifically, xhtml pages are to be served to the browser as application/xhtml+xml. now, for xhtml 1.0, you MAY serve them as the old html4.0 way (text/html), but you SHOULD use the newer way.

      xhtml1.1 doesn't allow such a variance. they SHOULD be served as application/xhtml+xml (the alternative being application/xml which would be interpreted as a straight xml file)... except IE doesn't support such a mime type, thus making it IMPOSSIBLE to correctly serve a xhtml1.1 document to any IE browser. this has severly limited the ability for the web to transform to support documents within several namespaces (such as xhtml, mathml, svg all integrated into a single web page)

      for more info, see http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/

      stick that in your pipe and smoke it microsoft

  3. Re:Boooooooring! by rpozz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not trolling here, but haven't they already lost all the people who would actually care about tabs? Anyone who wanted tabs on their web browser would be using Firefox/Opera by now.

  4. Adblock? by wallykeyster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I look forward to how Microsoft will respond to the recent challenge to their browser dominance, but anything short of Adblock for IE will keep me with Firefox. I can't believe how much nicer the Internet is with Firefox and this single extension.

  5. Re:middle-click by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is this middle click you speak of? I've been using Safari for a while but I can't test this because I don't see any buttons to "click" on my mouse.

  6. Tabs in IE7? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIRC, didn't MS say that tabs really weren't a useful feature in browsers? It was back when SP2 was being released. People were asking many questions to MS whether SP2 would add tabbed browsing and MS said tabs weren't all that useful in browsers.

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  7. Do more in one window by quickbasicguru · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you can do all of this in one window:
    1)Download Spyware
    2)Download Adware
    3)Download More Malware
    4)Download your P0rn
    5)Take a picture of yourself online.

  8. Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My windows machine is 2000. And since microsoft no longer supports me, i dont get any new features. ( or bugs ).

    This isnt a 'me' post, there are a *lot* of people and businesses that have no plans to goto XP ( or server 2003 ) in the near future.

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    1. Re:Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. by GeeBee2k · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Jeez,

      * I have Win95 and they haven't given me any NTFS yet! * Winge.

      * Ford haven't updated my 1969 Mustang with ABS, and airbags either. * Winge.

      Do you not understand? - in commercial world OLD products aren't given new features. It doesn't matter whether you are talking software, cars, or washing machines.

      Thats no reason to stop bitching about MS, is it?

  9. Re:middle-click by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have to smash it open, because it's in the middle.

  10. Wooo by billieja2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This core functionality is largely catch-up to other browsers which support tabs, but a necessary foundation for future work.

    Atleast they acknowledge it finally.

  11. New features creating bugs in old features? by goneutt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, I'll admitt that I use IE. And I know it's full of bugs and glitches. Most of which I never see.

    Since the tabs have been a function used in other web browsers for some time, the new mass deployment will give new reason to abuse users tabs by hijack-sites, hackers, and other undesirables. I know they say there are no commands to control tabs, but that doesn't mean they aren't tamper proof.

    In esscence, will IE's incorporation of common features lead to bugs (or flaws) being found in other browsers.

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  12. tabbed browsing and window management by cryptoz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the main reasons I stay away from Windows is the extremely poor window management. Hence the reason I'm using GNOME with six virtual desktops. And I can have dozens of web pages open and still take only one spot on my bottom panel.

    My point is that "tabbed browsing" is not a god-like feature. It's just something that helps with a user's window management (the ability to be able to have a bunch of web pages open at one time without making a huge mess is NOT a web browser problem, it's an entire usability issue for the whole machine).

    Yes, I know there are attempts at virtual desktops in Windows, but they all suck. I've tried them. They're either too slow, don't work properly (ie, they leave the minimized windows on the task bar the entire time...I don't get how thatworks).

  13. Monopoly by Jesus+IS+the+Devil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No Thanks. Microsoft is full of crap. They sit around and do NOTHING for the past 3-4 years (since they slaughtered Netscape). And now that finally there's competition they get off their lazy a$$es and steal other people's ideas once again.

    M$ gets no respect from me.

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  14. I'd prefer they fixed their rendering by bluGill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know tabs are the killer that takes users from IE, but I'd prefer they work on their rendering. Their CSS doesn't work.

    We make all our sites to work in Konqueror now, and only minor tweaking is needed for Firefox and safari. Easy enough, all are so close to the standard that there is little difficulty. IE doesn't work. We have to spend three times the effort to make it work in IE without breaking the rest. (We have chosen to not detect IE and give you a different page. I'm still not sure about the wisdom of that)

    Typical Microsoft though, make it look nice, who cares if it works right so long as the users don't know.

  15. You are correct by Eternally+optimistic · · Score: 4, Funny

    And MS still believes they are not very useful, except they can add bloat. That's why they are now needed.

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  16. revised by line.at.infinity · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, it should be like this:

    On Safari and Firefox Mac:
    * middle click, shift click == same as left click
    * cmd-click == open link in new tab
    * option-click == download link

    On Firefox Win:
    * ctrl-click == open link in new tab
    * shift-click == download link

    I just plugged in a mouse with three buttons that I haven't configured and tried.

  17. The sad thing is by SQLz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft will patent some small thing about tabbed browsing that 100 Firefox pluings will have done for years.