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$300 XBox 360 by Thanksgiving

frikazoyd writes "According to Gamespot, Microsoft corporate vice president J Allard discusses potential pricing and release targets for the XBox 360 in a TheStreet.com interview. From the article: '"It's going to be in the neighborhood [of $300]," he said, apparently dispelling fears of a $399 or even $499 machine, although $350 could still be possible.'"

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  1. Of course. by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would say I'm suprised but, I'm not.

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  2. Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With that warchest they have backing them...

    1. Re:Well, of course by Sebadude · · Score: 2, Funny

      Roll for xbox 360??

      Sebadude rolls 98 (1-100)

      Woohoo, beat that!

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  3. eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not until there's a modchip available.

    1. Re:eh... by Saige · · Score: 0

      The #1 reason I hate modchips.

      It allows first-class jackasses to get on Xbox Live and ruin everyone else's fun.

      You know, I'd be perfectly fine with Xbox 360 modchips that were designed to render the thing unable to work online. But no, it can't work that way, because people want them either to cheat massively, or just to ruin the frickin' games for everyone else.

      Such people should be beaten viciously with their Xboxes, then forced to eat the broken remains of the box to help their now twisted and broken body regain some semblance of health.

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    2. Re:eh... by KillShill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      what about the people who just want to use the machines as high speed multimedia computers?

      xbox live is and always has been a kiddy thing. MP is pure shit. i just want the processors under my control to do with as i please.

      and btw, what are the other reasons you hate those anti-drm chips?

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    3. Re:eh... by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know, I'd be perfectly fine with Xbox 360 modchips that were designed to render the thing unable to work online.

      Modded Xbox consoles already aren't compatible with Live.

    4. Re:eh... by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      Actually, the latest soft-mods allow for the Xbox to be toggled between a modded and unmodded (live kosher) state.

    5. Re:eh... by tepples · · Score: 1

      But do the latest soft-mods allow cheating in unmodded mode?

    6. Re:eh... by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      Not that I am aware of, but then I don't really play Xbox games. I mainly use my Xbox as a video player.

    7. Re:eh... by Saige · · Score: 1

      You know, if people want to mod their machines to do other things with them, then fine, go for it. Just make sure the modchips are designed so that people cannot connect to Live with them.

      Oh, and reality contradicts your statement about Xbox Live being for kiddies - there are plenty of adults that play on there and enjoy the fact that we can play various Xbox games with a rather simple and smooth multiplayer experience. Halo 2's MP play is simpler than any other online game I've ever played, PC or console.

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    8. Re:eh... by Saige · · Score: 1

      Hack the data files, then turn it to "unmodded mode", and you've still got your hacked files.

      For example, Halo 2 is being plagued by both a hacked player profile that gives a person instant reloads (WTF is this adjustable in the player profile anyways, Bungie??), and now that we have our first downloaded maps, hacked map files that alter the weapons and weapon function on the map. Both of those can be used in RANKED matchmade games.

      Once you've modded your Xbox, it should never, ever, ever be connected to Live again.

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    9. Re:eh... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Hack the data files, then turn it to "unmodded mode", and you've still got your hacked files.

      But won't the hacked data files be rejected as not having been signed by Microsoft? Can't the patch to online multiplayer SHA-1 the hacked files in the background?

    10. Re:eh... by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      The game developers shouldn't include game rule enforcement in the client. That is just asking for cheating.

    11. Re:eh... by Saige · · Score: 1

      Apparently either they're not verified, or they've found a way to hack that also - cause it's happened.

      I know Bungie has stated that they can detect when people use the hacked profile, and ban people for that. I'm hoping they can do the same with the maps - though those are a little less horrid, since the hacked weapons affect both teams equally.

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  4. I'll Believe it by cainpitt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    when it comes officially from M$. Anything else is just the same old speculation.

    1. Re:I'll Believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when it comes officially from M$. Anything else is just the same old speculation.

      I see you're not too familiar with MS's history.

    2. Re:I'll Believe it by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft corporate vice president J Allard

      Smack Dipshit!

    3. Re:I'll Believe it by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 1

      It's a Microsoft corperate vice president. Did you even read the article?

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  5. Big suprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have to post this anonymously or I'd get fired in a heartbeat. I work at Microsoft in the XBOX 360 marketting group. The big news is that Allard and Gates will announce the 360 with a retail price of $269, far less than the hints suggest. It will take the wind from Sony's sails.

    1. Re:Big suprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


      ... not to mention the 2 free games included in the introduction pack.
      I think I know who this is, I'm going to come over to your cube. :)

      PA

    2. Re:Big suprise. by Khakionion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I'm aware there's no way to prove you actually know what you're talking about, I'll pretend like I believe you. /It will take the wind from Sony's sails./

      Because the PS3 will be selling like hotcakes then? Wait...no.

      It must be to get rid of that artificial hype that the PS3 has because it's weaker than the 360. Wait...no, that's not it either.

      If it's going to be $269, it's because the 360 is going to be the "DreamCast" of the next-gen systems; more powerful, but not able to keep up with the state-of-the-art after a couple years.

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    3. Re:Big suprise. by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      I see it more as the opposite situation: Maybe more powerful, maybe not (I expect the 360 and PS3 will be on fairly even terms), and it's not that it won't be able to keep up, it's that it's starting out in the less popular position. The PS2 dominated the Xbox and the Gamecube, which ran at fairly simmilar prices. To undercut the PS3 with a $270 price against, for the sake of argument let's say $300 PS3 is just what it looks like: Undercutting. Even all things equal, the Playstation name is just more popular than the Xbox name, so if they're going at the same price, then the'll fall into pretty much the same pattern they did with the PS2 and Xbox.

    4. Re:Big suprise. by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 1

      i work at sony, and we will be GIVING away the ps3.. with FREE MASHED POTATOS included in the box

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    5. Re:Big suprise. by kaptron · · Score: 4, Funny

      impossible! you're not anonymous therefore you have zero credibility.

    6. Re:Big suprise. by mister_slim · · Score: 1

      Copying Sony again? Because Sony did the same thing to Sega with the original Playstation.

    7. Re:Big suprise. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The PS3 launches later so MS could simply launch high and cut prices as the PS3 launch nears to sell a cheaper console than Sony without making less than possible on the first batch.

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  6. I wonder by cainpitt · · Score: 1

    if this was the same Vice President who wore a hooded sweatshirt under his sportscoat at E3. Anyone else see that? The position of VP has really slipped over time. What a clown.

    1. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been trying to figure out what that was. It actually looked like a zipper on the front, so it might have been a jacket that looks like a sportscoat. I thought it looked kinda cool, actually.

  7. Shouldn't the price be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    $360?

    1. Re:Shouldn't the price be... by darthtrevino · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer lower price to parallelism.

    2. Re:Shouldn't the price be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Following that logic, the Xbox 720 better be one hell of a console...

    3. Re:Shouldn't the price be... by earthbound+kid · · Score: 1
      Following that logic, the Xbox 720 better be one hell of a console...


      Nah, I'm a time traveller, and let me tell you, the Xbox $7.20 sucked!! I guess it just goes to show, you get what you pay for.
  8. Obvious by Ki+Master+George · · Score: 2, Funny

    The obvious price is $360.

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    1. Re:Obvious by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Canadians and Aussies Only....

  9. To hell with that... by bergeron76 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'd rather pay $360!

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  10. Inflation relation? by satchelpaige · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm wondering how a $300 price point would compare to other console launches in terms of inflation and relevance to average salaries.

    Its interesting to me that $300 is still the magic number after all these years, as we are making more and more money. I understand that your average parental video game console buyer (aka Mom & Dad who want the hot new toy for Billy) gives little thought to inflation and is more focused on a finite number, hence $300 still being right at the limit for the masses to embrace a product.

    The reality though is that a $350 or $400 system would only make sense proportionally when you account for the steadily increasing Cost-of-living and salary bumps.

    Has anyone seen a study or chart breaking this down?

    1. Re:Inflation relation? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I ran this through the books a week or so ago , what it breaks down to is an 18 euro inrease across the board( obviously due to the weakness of the dollar that to you is about 100) , honestly the new consoles are not offer inflated from the last release ist just seems harsh due to the fall of the dollar

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    2. Re:Inflation relation? by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      However, you get about the same amount for your money in real dollars-$300 in 1995 bought you a Playstation, which also doubled as a CD player. $300 for a Playstation 2 in 2001 bought you that and a DVD player as well. If the next generation has some sort of DVR capabilities, that would be the next logical step-you get all this for the same $300, so I think with inflation it about evens out.

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    3. Re:Inflation relation? by thejez · · Score: 1

      $350 is a little high based soley on inflation. From http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ : What cost $300 in 2001 would cost $325.35 in 2005. Plus you have to take into account that in general the economy in the US at least hasnt been all that great over the last 4 years so keeping the price the same seems to make a lot of sense.

    4. Re:Inflation relation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that inflation really matters as much as people think that it should.

      With consumer electronics (and computer components) the actual manufacturing cost are reasonably low, and for the most part they're sold with a considerable markup. The expensive part is actually the cost of research and development of the product. This is particularly true with the manufacturing of electronics that is occuring in china currently.

      Being that no one really attempts to get a large profit off of the sale of the console hardware itself, it's price is mostly to offset the cost of development. Now, if inflation makes it so that you can not regain as much of your development costs off of hardware sales (or that you potentially loose some money on initial hardware sales) you will just need to sell a couple more pieces of software to recoup the cost.

    5. Re:Inflation relation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the price is based mainly on cost to develop and manufacture. If they thought it would be priced too high I'm sure they would remove features such as the hard drive until it was affordable. $300 is normal for a console at launch and is cheap for the features in the xbox.

    6. Re:Inflation relation? by Intellectual+Elitist · · Score: 1

      But take a look at the history of console launch prices with inflation taken into account...

  11. Re:WTF IS GOING ON HER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think your acounts been hacked , either that or youve been smacked

  12. buy out users by whitepony02027 · · Score: 1

    is it possible that MS may be trying to set a really low price point as a last attempt to get more people to not wait for the PS3? i mean MS has never lost a ton of money on a product to try and attrat more buysers right?

    oh wait....

  13. Market Analysists by coolestdickofall · · Score: 1

    Anyone ever notice how the "Market Analysists" who predict the launching price of new consoles are *never* right??? Ever..

  14. Xbox 360 by TheTopher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The price of $300 should really help 360 sales, especially if the PS3 is coming out at $465 (as rumor says). There's a point where consumers will stop caring about numbers of polygons more than the number of dollars.

    1. Re:Xbox 360 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You do read gaming news right? Being in /.Games I would assume so. So I guess you may have read that no one said ps3=$465, just as no one has definitively said Xbox360=$300. It's called speculation. No one knows. Hell, even yesterday there were revisions on gaming sites stating the PS3 wouldn't be as expensive as was rumored.

  15. Xbox 360 in time for thanksgiving... awesome! by kaptron · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comes packaged with "Halo 3: Master Chief in the Quest to Become Master Chef", and a 1080i hi-def oven timer with kick-ass visualizations.

  16. Halo 3 ships on Bungie's schedule? by imitier · · Score: 1
    "We have one formula with Halo: Ship it when it's ready. We did it with Halo 1. We did it with Halo 2. And we haven't disappointed the audience yet. That's Bungie's philosophy; that's the Xbox team's philosophy."

    Interesting that Allard says this in the interview, especially given the rumors (perhaps now confirmed by Gates in his Time article) that Halo 3 will be released on the launch day of the PS3.

    1. Re:Halo 3 ships on Bungie's schedule? by bluk · · Score: 1

      Steve Ballmer later stated that Microsoft will release when it's ready in response to the Bill Gates quote. I forget the actual article but you can probably Google it. I don't think Halo 3 will ship as soon as the PS3 is shipping. We haven't heard anything about it besides the name, and I don't think we've even seen screenshots which I think is pretty surprising. There was a bunch of stuff released for Halo 2 a year before they shipped. Granted it was delayed, but there was at least something out there.

    2. Re:Halo 3 ships on Bungie's schedule? by MeanderingMind · · Score: 1

      We did it with Halo 2.

      This is obviously some strange definition of "ready" I wasn't previously aware of. Not that the game was bad. But "ready" was not really the impression I got from the making of the game special availible on the bonus disc.

      If it was ready, it was because they cut out hordes of goodies. Again, great game. However, a good number of people dissent about the "ending" and would probably dispute it was "ready".

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  17. Re:volution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't spread it around, but here at Nintendo, word is the Revolution will be launching in late October, for $76.

  18. Odd Circumstance by EyesofWolf · · Score: 1

    Anyone else notice that the previous two posts occured with two minutes of each other? What are the odds?

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    1. Re:Odd Circumstance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Viral marketing at it's finest

  19. Re:volution by muel · · Score: 1

    ..and it will include a pack-in girlfriend!

  20. it puts the lotion on its skin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or else it gets the hose again

  21. Modchip by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Modchip by KillShill · · Score: 2, Informative

      except that it's not nearly as powerful and more expensive. other than that, yeah it's not bad. though it has a big positive: no DRM. in other words, you actually own it.

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  22. Are the features even set yet? by tm2b · · Score: 1

    Maybe I missed a story, but last I had heard they didn't even know whether XBox 1 games would play on it.

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    1. Re:Are the features even set yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will only play XBOX games that are re-built for XBOX360. So your collection of existing XBOX games won't be playable, but when the manufacturer makes their new "XBOX360 Compatible" version that will. (ie - please buy all the games again, sucker)

    2. Re:Are the features even set yet? by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      No, you'll be able to stick your xbox 1 games in the 360 and start playing. Major Nelson (Xbox Live) head confirmed that. It's just that not every game will work. They haven't put out a list yet. I'm willing to say that I'm 99.9% sure that Halo, Halo 2, Forza, and Fable will be on the list.

    3. Re:Are the features even set yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, of course, assumes that everyone who owns an XBox will also have XBox Live; this assumption may hold for people on slashdot but, in general, it isn't true.

    4. Re:Are the features even set yet? by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      No, I'm pretty sure it's for everyone. I just mentioned Major Nelson since he works for Microsoft, and he said clearly that you won't need to rebuy the games. It would be cool to have future game compatability upgrades via live, but I'd bet that Halo 2 will be playable on the 360 straight out of the box.

    5. Re:Are the features even set yet? by mister_slim · · Score: 1

      No, MS is building emulation in. They haven't talked about what percentage of Xbox games will be compatible at launch. I imagine there will be updates available over live and with later 360s.

  23. Xbox, XNA, and the lowercase "i." by MiceHead · · Score: 1
    I'm guardedly excited. Both Microsoft and Nintendo have thrown down their respective gauntlets with respect to opening up avenues for smaller, independent (read: we're all very poor) development studios on these new systems. Nintendo's release includes:

    Freedom of design: A dynamic development architecture equally accommodates both big-budget, high-profile game "masterpieces" as well as indie games conceived by individual developers equipped with only a big idea.
    Microsoft's XNA also sounds promising. Though that FAQ has not been updated since the announcement of the Xbox 360, it seems that XNA will give us the ability to develop for it. Here's hoping that livingrooms across the country will have access to games hobbled together in the garage.
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    1. Re:Xbox, XNA, and the lowercase "i." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the restrictions were harsh and Nintendo and Microsoft forced every indy game to run ontop of a virtual machine, script their engine, and limited every game to a maximum of 256MB of data, I would expect it to be a huge benefit to both the developers and the platforms.

  24. Re:Got list? by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

    You apparently missed E3 entirely. Go check gamespot or IGN and come back when you're up to speed.

  25. Nice, but... by RemovableBait · · Score: 1
    To be honest, if this releases at $269 i'll BUY it in a heartbeat.

    However, I fear that the same thing'll happen with the original Xbox and Playstation 2 when it is released in the UK. What generally happens: the Xbox is released in the US for $300, Microsoft releases Xbox in the UK for £300. Not the £200 that it should be, based on exchange rates. What i'd like to see, is a US release at $269 and a similar UK release at $269 -- ie, £147 + 17.5% VAT --> £173. Then, it'll sell like hotcakes.

    I'd be very annoyed if they still release at £269... even though at the moment, GBP is worth almost twice (1.85x) as much as USD.
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  26. So... how much is microsoft eating on this one? by akira2501 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone familiar with how much console manufacturers usually eat on the cost of new consoles?? According to rumors, the Athlon 64 dual-core will cost over $500 when its introduced later this summer... and the 360 has a three-core processor. Add in a brand new graphics card, and 512 RAM, and it seems like there will be at least $600-700 worth of hardware in there, if they are getting a sweet deal on all of it. Is it really that common to sell consoles for half of what they cost, or does microsoft plan to not make any money on the 360 either?

    1. Re:So... how much is microsoft eating on this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Historically consol manufactures sell at a profit. Before the xbox there was only 1 consol sold at a loss. I forget which one but it was not made by Sony or Nintendo. (I think it was the saturn but I cant be sure.) If Micorsoft has proven anything its that if you sell at a $150 loss you will never make a profit.

    2. Re:So... how much is microsoft eating on this one? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      An Athlon 64 is slighly (okay, vastly) more complex than those stripped-down PPC cores the X360 uses and made in much smaller numbers. With a console you need only one version of the thing, on the PC there are at least 4 different versions of the 64 dual. I'd also bet that the A64 dual can run unoptimized code much faster than the X360.

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    3. Re:So... how much is microsoft eating on this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A console manufacturer doesn't pay anywhere near retail for the components in their system. This is mainly because they pay the majority of the development costs on the technology that goes into producing the system.

    4. Re:So... how much is microsoft eating on this one? by mink · · Score: 1

      All the posts I read here say the Xbox has 3 dual core PPC970 processors at 3.whatever GHZ.
      Slashdot posters cant be wrong about this ;-)

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  27. What is with gamespot's write up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is what he actually said in regards to the price in the original article:

    Q: How much is the Xbox 360 going to cost?
    JA: Not sure. It's probably about two months away before we make the decision on that.

    Q: The last Xbox went out at about $300 initially. Will the 360 be priced higher, lower?
    JA: It's going to be in the neighborhood.


    Where is gamespot getting that other stuff from? I know it is common to take another paper/site's news and write up your own interpretation, but from what I can tell all they are doing is spreading misinformation and making stuff up. I didn't see anything in the original that said the Xbox360 would be in the $299-$350 range. JA just said "neighborhood," and made clear that they still are not sure about the final pricing.

    For all we know his definition of "neighborhood" might mean $299-399 or it might mean $250-299. And again, he said they are about two months away from figuring a final price.

  28. in addition.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hundred bucks for the hard drive.

  29. Console Economics by echocharlie · · Score: 1

    Perhaps part of the reason that the original XBox didn't get adopted quickly earlier is because of that high price point. Of course, the PS2 had already been out for awhile as well. I'm sure the PS3 and XBox360 will be priced in the same ballpark and be released around the same time this go around, so it'll be interesting to see who gets the bigger piece of the gaming pie in the short run.

  30. Thanksgiving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is in October, not November.

    1. Re:Thanksgiving by hollismb · · Score: 1

      Are you an idiot? Thanksgiving is on Nov 24th this year. You know, like after Halloween, which is the last day of October? I predict a November 15th launch date. Why? Because it's a Tuesday, for starters, and both the Xbox and Xbox Live launched on November 15th in their respective years. Halo 2 was November 9th, also a Tuesday.

    2. Re:Thanksgiving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It all depends on whether or not you're Canadian or American ...

      Canada harvests earlier (due to an earlier winter) therefore they have thanksgiving in october.

    3. Re:Thanksgiving by haqspan · · Score: 0

      Canadians are celebrating American holidays now? Interesting. Give us a call on the fourth of July.

    4. Re:Thanksgiving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanksgiving isn't an 'American' holiday, it is a Settler holiday; being that both Americans and Canadians come from the same group of British settlers we share the same holidays.

  31. Oh, I wish! HOW I wish! Linux workstations $269ea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    B-A-R-G-A-I-N ! I'll start with 100, thanks, mate!

    Fast boxes that won't ever run Windows for $269? Yes, please! We'll be ripping out Windows workstations like a potato harvester!

  32. PS3 worth a few more bucks? by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 1

    After all, you get a blu-ray player included in the price. But just a few.

    Anyhow, I think the deciding factor for people who doubt will be the games. If the best games with the broadest appeal are available for the 360 at a lower price, then the 360 could stand to gain market share for playstation.

    I for one might buy the PS3. Eventually. Being 29 years old, the latest and greatest is not as important as it was ten years ago.

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  33. Ouch! by cortana · · Score: 1

    I'm glad I didn't pay $800 for it!

  34. Exchange rates and pricing by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1
    Huh... I just took a trip to Germany and our tour guide said that one of the reasons that prices were so high in Germany were that originally the prices were in Deuschmarks and when the Euro was introduced (worth about 2 DM each), the shopkeepers simply changed the currency sign. Then again, she also seemed to have a grudge against the Germans (she was Hungarian), so it could be that this is more hearsay than anything else. Then again, your story seems to pretty much bear out.

    What really bugged me, though, was how many European stores, particularly the ones that are franchises of American establishments, have started using the (n-1).95 prices instead of n. Darn it, it was kind of nice to be able to do business without accruing pockets full of change.

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