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Laptops Outsell Desktops

wintermute1974 writes "According to a new report by Current Analysis, laptops have overtaken sales of desktops for the first time in computing, ever. Figures are for the U.S. market, but presumably this is part of a world-wide trend." From the article: "Notebook prices fell 17 percent during the past year while desktop prices dipped only 4 percent. Some of the features common in most notebooks are longer-lasting batteries, CD burners and wireless capability."

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  1. This is in units sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They overtook desktops in revenue in 2003.

    1. Re:This is in units sold by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So they aren't counting the thousands of self built systems out there? Probably didn't count local sellers either... Once again statistics proven worthless.

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    2. Re:This is in units sold by SacredNaCl · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have some 2004 numbers for the 4rd quarter.

      For instance ECS (awful boards) sold 1.26 million motherboards, 25,000 laptop boards. ASROCK/AsusTek 3.3 million boards, 200,000 notebooks. MSI 1.1 million boards. Gigabyte - 950,000 motherboards.

      The problem with just running with those is that companies like MSI also make boards for Emachines-Gateway/HP/many others. ECS used to do extensive work for IBM in the 90's (which explains some of those awful machines from then) -- Some major player must be using them, I can't imagine home sales of ECS boards are that high (though they are favored by bargain basement whitebox builders). Even Asus boards are showing up in HP's these days. So it's hard to seperate out the markets.

      If we could break these down by form factor it would be more enlightening. Most of the boards sold to OEMs are MATX. Most home builders aren't buying the MATX boards. I'm sure the motherboard companies have accurate numbers published somewhere, maybe in their financial statements of investment prospectus but I'm far too sleep deprived to go fishing.

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  2. So? by kc32 · · Score: 5, Funny

    My tower has a handle on it. And it weighs in at an incredibly portable 42 pounds.

  3. They left out the killer feature by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the features common in most notebooks are longer-lasting batteries, CD burners and wireless capability.

    Yeah. They left out the inability to easily upgrade components. In the last 10 years i have owned +/- 6 computers. One was a laptop that I purchased new. The others were all custom rigs that got upgraded expansion cards, peripherals, memory, etc. when needed. Thus they didn't show up as desktop sales. I am willing to bet that as building machines from components has gotten easier, lots more people have been doing it to get more bang for the buck.

    Thing is, with a laptop, upgrading the monitor is impossible and upgrading pretty much anything else is a royal pain and/or too expensive. Thus, laptop users can't take advantage of individual components on the same scale as desktop owners.

    1. Re:They left out the killer feature by llamaluvr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With all the external peripherals you can plug in with USB (2.0), this seems irrelevant in most cases. I used to stay away from computers with less then 3 free PCI slots, because I was always afraid I would fill them up and not have room for anything else, but now that I have a laptop, I haven't missed a beat in regards to adding the peripherals that I want.

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    2. Re:They left out the killer feature by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called the right tool for the right job. Desktops allow you to customized and upgrade, laptops sacrifice that for portability. Get over yourself and go back to looking at porn on your super l33t custom rig with clear side panel and neon lighting.

      Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I meant to get across was this:

      • Case 1: Owner of desktop (custom or not) - wants new Athlon64 CPU. Orders CPU + mobo for $250 from NewEgg.
      • Case 2: Owner of laptop - wants new Athlon64 CPU. Drops ~$2500 on a new HP laptop.

      I am just trying to point out that the numbers are skewed since the first guy essentially got a "new" computer. I know that it is a bit different, but the old laptop will either get tossed or donated or relegated to something else. So in reality, it's like it is no longer there (in most cases).

  4. longer battery life? by dan2550 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    my current laptop is a toshiba satelite a75 series. circa end of 2004 batery life: 2 hours on "long life" mode. my very first laptop was a toshiba t-1000 circa 1980-something(late 80's) battery life: hours and hours... how is that a longer life?

  5. popularity vs. durability by Schlemphfer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Back in the day, laptops cost more than $1000 more than comparable desktops. Now, you can get a pretty decent laptop for $700. So it's not surprising that as the price difference between desktops and laptops has eroded, so too has the market share of desktops.

    The question that interests me is: are laptops becoming any more durable? One of my main reasons that I bought an eMac instead of an iBook is that the eMac is probably Apple's most durable computer. And I know that laptops tend to be much more prone to failure.

    It wasn't so long ago that if you bought a laptop, you could pretty much count on some kind of major failure within three years. I'm wondering if any good research has been done to show whether laptops are closing the gap with desktops in terms of reliability. If they are, I'm pretty sure my next computer will be a laptop.

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  6. College requirements by poity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would guess that a significant amount of this is due to the increasing number of colleges (and even some highschools) that require students to have laptops.

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  7. Re:5 More Years Until PDA's Outsell Laptops by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    no, pdas are too small to be of any use, ive had plenty of them to know.

  8. Re:What does this mean to desktop users? by peculiarmethod · · Score: 4, Funny

    you are forgetting, sir, that only with a laptop can you ensure your entire porn surfing collection and device are with you at all times. especially handy if you have a snoopy female type around.

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  9. Re:What does this mean to desktop users? by tmortn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So that your computer goes with you but when you need the space and larger screen etc you have it. With wireless you don't even have to mess around with hooking up a crap load of cables. Wireless mice and Keyboards already exist and it wouldn't take that much to create a wireless display system.

    I really wonder if wireless interface systems could get ubiquitous enough that you could more or less forgoe the full key board and mouse on the laptop entirely and just make a mobile processing memory unit say the size of a cell phone. Wirelesss interface stations would be all over the place and you could browse the systems in range and log onto yours.

    One idea I like about that is being able to test drive systems at a store before you buy it. Wonder if that new monitor has fast enough refresh ? Enough resolution ? Just attach it to the system on your hip and run a favorit movie/game etc... How about the sound quality of those speakers ? How about wondering if that new system will do what you want ? Access files on your current system while demoing a new unit with similar periphials you have at home. Have an automatic interface with your cars computer... no more dealer visits for codes or wondering what tripped the 'check engine' light.

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  10. Re:Funny by null+etc. · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sorry, I just found it funny.

    At least it didn't end with a stupid question, like "Is this the end of desktops as we know it?"

  11. Price or Wireless Revolution? by Mulletproof · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But this is not just a "desktop replacement" trend. Sure, you can emulate nearly every function on a laptop that you could get in a desktop, but that was true back when too. Sure, the price has gone down, but what's really changed?

    I don't think the wireless explosion is getting nearly enough credit here. Now your truly portable PC can take advantage of the most influential and pervasive phenomenon of the 21st century anywhere and everywhere. Coffee shops. Parks. The back yard. The laptops utility has been magnified 100 fold just by the wireless networking trend alone. It's so much more than a portable document holder now. You now have access to real time information anywhere, an unparalleled knowledge base at your fingertips on the go, keep in contact with people friends, family and partners instantly, etc etc etc. Wireless LAN? Standard equipment on nearly every machine now.

    I have no doubt the price drop has helped, but the utility and popularity of the laptop has absolutely exploded because of the wireless revolution that is still evolving at this very moment.

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  12. Re:What does this mean to desktop users? by Tassach · · Score: 4, Funny

    You should never date a woman who objects to your porn collection. Hell, my wife's collection is almost as big as my own. Many an evening of incredible sex has started out with her sitting on my lap surfing porn together.

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  13. Re:useable laptops? - thank Apple by dedazo · · Score: 4, Funny
    Hahahah, lo and behold the apple fanboy bullshit of the day.

    Apple has always been an innovator, but it has never lead the pack because it simply hasn't had those many laptop/notebook models. The advances in laptop technology have been pushed by the demand in PC laptops from Compaq, Dell, HP and more importantly, IBM. IBM has been probably the more innovating integrator of the lot. Apple is a distant catch-up, regardless of their good industrial design capabilities. The ability to have a hard drive the size of a pack of matches, wireless networking or power-saving processors does not come to us courtesy of your "friends at Apple", it comes from the Toshibas, VIAs and Intels of the world being pushed by PC makers with insane consumer-level demand. You honestly don't think Apple makes their own Firewire controllers, eh?

    Thanks for the laugh though.

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  14. In Australia by StArSkY · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Australia you can tax deduct 100% of the cost of a laptop in the first year. you can onlydeduct 33% of a desktop in the first year.

    As such there is a huge incentive to buy laptops rather than desktops.

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  15. Re:Well .. by marafa · · Score: 4, Funny

    since u r not using it.. could you ship it to me? i will pay for delivery and use it to run linux which does not require a high end pc thanks in advance

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  16. Re:useable laptops? - thank Apple by skingers6894 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out these

    http://www.notesys.com/Copies/CNET%207Sep00%20IBM% 20Dell%20Wireless.htm

    Dell and IBM were duking it out for for honors of first Windows laptop with wireless a year after Apple had already offered it.

    I'm not sure whether Apple make their own firewire controllers but they DID invent the technology:

    http://news.com.com/2100-1040-271986.html?legacy=c net

    Finally it is clear to people who have been around for a while that Apple created the template from which almost all laptops are cut today. Check out this article that names the Powerbook 100 as the top gadget of all time.

    http://www.mobilemagazine.com/archives/2005/03/the _top_100_gad_1.html

    Admittedly blind fanboyism is not very informative but neither is denying credit where it is due.

  17. Annualized failure rates by steve_l · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to work with laptop developers, so know their problems.

    Laptops are not any less endurable than desktops, it is just they get thrown around a lot more. A workstation SCSI disk is very fragile, but you dont throw it the backs of cars, kick it under the seat of the airplane in front etc, etc. Furthermore, vendors dont like unrelaible laptops; the annualized failure rate (AFR) makes the difference between profit and loss on warrantied systems.

    What has happened is that the trend towards consumer-centric laptops has eliminated much of the exchangable-IDE drive design of the past. These all-in-ones are robust as they are mechanically simpler. The other big trend is that with two main ODMs in taiwan doing much of the work, a greater level of expertise has built up into doing quality designs.

    Now, for an annedote of amusement:

    When the first thin-and-flat laptops came out, the AFR went up. This was tracked down to people dropping their laptops while trying to lift them out of bags/briefcases one handed, and losing their grip. The older laptops were so fat and heavy they could be lifted two handed, but the new ones were thin and light enough to be one handed -only nobody had thought of this when it was designed

    If you look at today's laptops, they normally have grippy texture on the top and bottom, or some features on the batteries to provide a better handgrip. This is to eliminate the problem.

    That's an amusing story but it shows the problem: a robust laptop is not an intel chipset in a box. It is a system designed with ergonomics in mind too.