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Effort to Create Virtual Brain Begins

bryan8m writes "An IBM supercomputer running on 22.8 teraflops of processing power will be involved in an effort to create the first computer simulation of the entire human brain. From the article: 'The hope is that the virtual brain will help shed light on some aspects of human cognition, such as perception, memory and perhaps even consciousness.' It should also help us understand brain malfunctions and 'observe the electrical code our brains use to represent the world.'"

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  1. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by buswolley · · Score: 4, Funny
    Well we kill it of course.

    We kill things with consciousness all the time.

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  2. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Slashcrunch · · Score: 5, Funny

    As far as how much processing power is needed to simulate the brain, I've met quite a few people for whom a C64 and a tape drive would be more than sufficient... and maybe some duct tape.

  3. Life.. don't talk to me about life.. by shadowcode · · Score: 5, Funny

    In 10 years, I bet the first readout will read;
    "I think you ought to know that I'm feeling very depressed"

  4. In other news by Einherjer · · Score: 5, Funny

    They needed a simple brain to begin their modelling with.

    They decided on George W. Bush.

    Let's just hope....

    hmmm....

    I for one welcome our new artificial dumb military overlord.

    1. Re:In other news by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dateline: 2012
      In further developments, the allegedly dimwitted IBM computer 'test brain' has again outpolled the latest Democratic presidential hopeful, leaving the former "major" political party now in third place and scrambling for some good news. Leading mainstream media sources have suggested anonymously that somehow this computer has managed to run a global repressive conspiracy, convince congress to throw the country into a war for its personal enrichment, and personally engineered a massive McCarthyist conspiracy without leaving a single trace piece of damning evidence.
      DNC chairperson Dean was heard to comment "It's apparently way smarter than we gave it credit for. Otherwise we have to consider ourselves just really, REALLY stupid."

      OP modded "funny" - I bet this one's modded Flamebait. Why don't we just simplify the system and have a "-1 Conservative" rating (or is -1 not enough)?

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  5. Re:brains for those who have none ... by madaxe42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    but what to do with a schizophrenic supercomputer ?

    Dual boot!

  6. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Drantin · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...If they don't then it would be kept in check by copyright law, reproducing itself would be infringing...

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  7. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    A decade?
    Give me a shovel and a dark night and I'll get you some real brains, second-hand. And at only 1/2 the cost.

    Sincerely,
    Igor

  8. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it a male or a female brain they're simulating?

    They work quite differently you know.
    Some even speculate that one of those two kinds of brain might need even less than 22.8 Teraflops to simulate.

    1. Re:Umm... by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some early work was done with both. They set them up to monitor each other's output for correctness. There was a snag in that the output of the male brain was always flagged as incorrect. Removing the interface or even powering down the female brain made no difference, the male brain was always wrong.

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  9. Re:Here it comes... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Funny

    You forgot "I for one welcome..."

    In Soviet Russia, supercomputers welcome you!

    I'll get me coat...

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  10. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by madaxe42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Guru meditation error. Duct tape in tape drive.

  11. Re:brains for those who have none ... by Arminator · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, send him to space to investigate black slabs. And to operate pod bay doors.

  12. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Funny
    TFA does mention mouse brain,

    ... and the output of the computer will be a two-digit number.

  13. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by William+Robinson · · Score: 5, Funny
    You are wrong about neutrons. They are protons, that connect and interact to form intelligent thoughts.

    Neutrons are responsible for indifferent behaviour towards females. Recent study shows that slashdotters have enough neutrons emitted from their brain, that, they could be used as substitude of Californium 252.

    Electrons decide the level of excitement. Thats why you feel charged, after couple of beers:)

  14. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As every nerd should know, a 6502 processor is entirely sufficient for travelling in time, impersonating a violent human being and speaking in a barely-comprehensible Austrian accent.

  15. Had to be said... by soloport · · Score: 4, Funny

    22.8 teraflops of processing power should be enough for anybody.

  16. Re:Mentifex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A fun though struck me when reading the FAQ.

    Noone seem to have real contact with murray, and his adress was not really known. He also seem to have a little to much time on is hands, posting huge amounts of usenet posts etc. What if Murray did succeed a long time agoo, and is now letting his virtual brain (that somehow thinks it is murray) do all his spamming for him.

    Of course, this theory lacks in many points... :P

  17. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny
    42!

    The factorial of 42 is a two-digit number?
    What base are you using? Base 37483411234209726053065806?
    (because in this base, it would be two-digits:
    The more significant digit would have the value 37483411234209726053065805, and the less significant digit would have the value 33187259034871818286636170)
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  18. For Heaven's sake ... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... make sure you install a huge fire axe near the main power cord in case this thing decides it doesn't need us anymore!

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  19. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by ajlitt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't forget 'governing California'.

  20. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by darb_is_fat · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean I'm eventually going to have to socially interact with my computer in the future? Ugg.

  21. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm sorry, we're still not accepting human subjects.

  22. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, I thought of this movie, wherein a time machine is created using (apparently) only a small airplane and an old microcomputer (Apple II, C64 or something similar). We learn the key to time travel can be stored on 7 5-1/4" floppies.

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  23. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Dave...
    What are you doing Dave?

  24. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 2, Funny
    i only heard this when reading a pamphlet on the debilitating disease MS.

    Was that a Linux pamphlet by any chance?

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  25. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by ghjm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, of course that's what he meant. However, there are certain technical difficulties inherent to a numbering system in this base; notably, the requirement to identify more than 37 septillion differentiable single-place symbols. Expressing a "digit" as a base 10 number defeats the purpose of the system, even if you draw a circle around it.

    SerpentMage's key insight, of course, was that we are only interested in a particular number - the factorial of the Great Answer. This will be the only use we will ever make of the base-37483411234209726053065806 numbering system. Therefore, we only need to create unique symbols for two entities - the number 37483411234209726053065805, which we will refer to as "4", and the number 33187259034871818286636170, which we will refer to as "2". Under this system, (decimal) 42! equals (base-37483411234209726053065806) 42.

    Appropriate assignment of values to the symbols "six," "nine" and (possibly) "times" is left as an exercise for the reader.

    -Graham

  26. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > > skin grafting onto a chip to let it "feel" things
    >
    > Are you processing what I'm processing??

    Seeing as how they're using slices of mouse brain, I believe the correct answer would be along the lines of...

    "Umm, I think so, Brain, but a billion parallelized microprocessors and a human named CmdrTaco? What would the children look like?"

  27. Re:Thoughts on virtual thoughts by Intron · · Score: 2, Funny

    My own belief is that consciousness is the sum of thousands (perhaps millions) of micro-personalities each made up of a small number of brain cells. They compete for attention and get voted on based on their relative output and importance. The ones that prevent you from walking off cliffs have fairly high importance, and almost always get listened to. The one that tells the old campfire story is almost always shouted down by the rest. The parts that do the voting are also micropersonalities like the rest - call them meta-personalities. Each of these are formed by memory and experience. Simulations are run to balance the various outputs while you sleep. We call that dreaming.

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    Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.