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Canada To Introduce Copyright Law Next Week

P Starrson writes "A leading Canadian television network is reporting that the Canadian government will introduce copyright legislation next week that will bring DMCA-like provisions north of the border. Amazingly, the Canadian recording industry, which previously praised the reforms, now says they aren't good enough. Canadian law prof Michael Geist cuts through the spin in the pair of blog postings titled Fact and Fiction and CRIA's New Take on Copyright Reform."

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  1. No Surprise by IAmTheDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No surprise that the Canadian music industry isn't happy with the wording. They pushed for this legislation and got it, so now they will push for harsher legislation. It's like a small child that pushes and pushes a parent to see how far they can get and how much they can get away with.

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    1. Re:No Surprise by Roger_Wilco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't be so sure it will pass.

      Canada has a minority government right now; at least two parties need to go for it, or it's dead.

      (Yes, we have more than two parties --- it's a democracy! :P )

    2. Re:No Surprise by DeathFlame · · Score: 2, Informative

      An unelected senate, with a Majority of liberals in it, and I get this from reading wikipedia:

      In practice, however, the House of Commons is the dominant chamber of Parliament, with the Senate very rarely exercising its powers in a manner that opposes the will of the democratically elected chamber. The last major bill defeated in the Senate came in 1991, when a bill passed by the Commons restricting abortion was rejected in the Upper House by a tied vote.

      So the Canadian senate is just a reason for us to pay a hundred or so people $100,000 a year to sit there and nod their heads yes.

    3. Re:No Surprise by Medevo · · Score: 2, Informative

      We also have Greens, Libertarians, Socialists, Communists, as well as other parties like the Marijuana party. All of these parties were offical and registered in the last federal election.

      Canada still has more choice overall, having 3 [Liberals, Conservatives, NDP] (or 4 in Québec [Bloc]) major political parties. All of these parties hold significant political clout in the current minority government.

      What the grandparent was likely saying is that as the in some districts Democrats and Republicans differ only a campaign symbol and who is paying. Voting for any party in the USA other then these, while is good for democracy, is unlikely to get anybody elected. While from election to election districts may sway from Republican to Democrat and vice versa, what real change occurs?

      Medevo

    4. Re:No Surprise by hal200 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking as a Canadian, I'm fairly sure it'll pass. The Liberals are introducing it, and the Conservatives won't vote against it.

      A vote against this bill is a vote against the big media companies...and while we have made significant strides in reforming our campaign funding laws up here, lobbyists still have a disproportionate amount of clout with the major political parties in Ottawa.

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    5. Re:No Surprise by DeathFlame · · Score: 2, Informative

      Again from wiki:

      Senators are entitled to prefix "The Honourable" to their names for life. The annual salary of each senator, as of 2005, is $119,100; members may receive additional salaries in right of other offices they hold (for instance, the Speakership). Senators rank immediately above Members of Parliament in the order of precedence.

  2. So what happened? by Compact+Dick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought Canada was all for fair use? Such a concept would vanish should this come into force.

  3. Drat. by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well crap. Here I was hoping I could move to Canada whenever it got too bad here.

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    1. Re:Drat. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Informative


      I'm thinking about applying for Sealand citizenship, myself...

      ^_^

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    2. Re:Drat. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because, of course, things get better when folks just cry and run away rather than staying and fighting.

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    3. Re:Drat. by EvilStein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you wanted to, could you? I've always wondered that.. since so many Mexicans come up here, could things go the other direction at all? ;)

  4. this will pass without anyone noticing by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful


    They'll only be talking about gay marriage in the news, a bill that is also scheduled to pass before summer break.

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  5. Canadians and their laws and taxes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First they implement a tax that specifically redresses copyright violations... then they outlaw what the tax was supposed to pay for.

    You think that media tax will go away despite becoming superfluous?

    1. Re:Canadians and their laws and taxes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Belgium the same things are happening.

      We have high taxes on blank media (1 euro for a blank DVD) to compensate copyright owners but at the same time the local RIAA (IFPI) equivalent is crying wolf. We even had idiotic local high profile musicians that insisted that blank media are sold for the same price as an audio cd to discourages copying.

      Your right to make a home copy ? How when they are stuffing everything with DRM so that the consumer can't make use of that right.

      And yes that also mean that when you buy a blank cdr for burning the last debian, recordcompany's do get a small percentage of the price you paid... .

  6. Ooh, that sucks. by LegendOfLink · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry Canadian brothers, but that's one less thing you can use when trying to make the poor argument to us Americans that we suck.

    Don't feel bad, we have DMCA, the Bush Administration, and The Bachelor, three things so bad that most of the time we feel the need to heavily drink.

    Better luck next time.

    1. Re:Ooh, that sucks. by VShael · · Score: 3, Funny

      "feel the need to heavily drink"

      You've also got American beer. So that's FOUR reasons your country sucks. :)

  7. and...? by brickballs · · Score: 3, Funny

    Canada To Introduce Copyright Law Next Week
    don't they already have one?
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  8. Greetings Canada! by crimoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, welcome to the club.

  9. Time to use that stationery you got for christmas by Stavr0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    click on Find your Member of Parliament using your Postal Code
    Input your postal code
    Write letter (no postage necessary)

  10. How do we protest? by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can a knowledgable slashdotter help me identify what the best way to protest this legislation will be?

    I want to know about:
    a) What party(s) oppose this legislation?
    b) What formal protest groups exist to thwart this? Are any activities planned?


    I haven't protested since university, but I would make an appearance in a rally for this. I will make donations to well organised groups opposing this legislation.

    Its best to defeat the law before it gets into law, fortunately we have 3 readings to defeat it.

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    1. Re:How do we protest? by qualico · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In apathetic Canada we do not protest.

      It's best to just drink beer and let your criminal Prime Minister steal money from you while passing laws that are hopless to enforce yet generate tons of paper as a justification to raise your taxes.

      Seriously, you can't call what we have here a government.
      There is so much corruption and boondoggles, that the average Canadian just does not care about politics anymore, cause they know that any protest falls on deaf ears and the government will continue to do whatever it wants.

    2. Re:How do we protest? by roju · · Score: 4, Informative

      digital-copyright.ca is a meeting place for people concerned about this. The Petition for User Rights was presented to parliament recently. The mailing list is active, with draft letters, media analysis, etc.

    3. Re:How do we protest? by kwandar · · Score: 2, Informative

      In case no one has mentioned it, take a look at the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. Information, action items and petitions on copyright reform.

  11. Re:Canadian Recording Industry, eh? by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Funny

    *Shudder* Bryan Adams *Shudder*

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  12. Big fat hairy deal by Bullfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The CRIA and RIAA are suffering from the same flawed thinking, that is:

    (1) Coerce/buy anti-copying/downloading/sharing rules from the government
    (2) Consumers will be forced to buy your product
    (3) Profit!

    Well, as DCMA and lawsuits hasn't stopped filesharing in the US, I suspect that any provisions trying to stop it in Canada will have about the same effect. Better and new anonymous methods of downloading will come, and on and on it will go. However, even if they did succeed in stopping sharing etc, the result would more likely be:

    (1) Tougher laws brought in
    (2) Public apathy towards the industry products continues including lack of sales, save the odd star wars type blockbuster (music will always exist, but the days of the mega-star is over)
    (3) Continued financial decline and disinterest!

    The media industries will cry foul over the latest downloading tactic etc, while the public at large continues to not care.

    If you think about it, outside of forums like these, the general public hasn't cared about these issues since the napster days. I don't see that changing.

  13. Not all that bad by jscharla · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although the new legislation will prevent circumventing digital locks, it still allows copying for personal use. Personally, I don't see this as a big deal. The digital lock thing I can completely understand - as long as they don't take away my rights to use what's mine everything seems to be good.

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    1. Re:Not all that bad by TheGavster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Seeings as to exercise your right to make a copy for personal use, you usually have to defeat some half-hearted digital lock (though the actual level of protection is more akin to packing twine). Sure you've got fair use rights, but the recording industry can make you have to break other laws to exercise them.

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  14. My MP ignored this so far since March 25 by saskboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please write your MP to stop this bad new law.

    DMCA for Canada

    Please write your MP on this matter. Use my letter below if you don't want to write your own.
    Send your letter for free (no postage necessary when parliament is in session), to your MP at the following address:
    [your MP's name] M.P.
    House of Commons
    Ottawa ON K1A 0A6

    Find their email address, but write by paper mail too. http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/hou se/PostalCode.asp?lang=E

    Dear Mr. Breitkreuz
    To summarize the issues in this letter:
    1. Internet Service Providers should not be required to keep extensive logs of private and legal online communications.

    2. The government must not stop Canadian citizens from making personal-use copies of their legally purchased software, music, and movie media.

    Background:
    http://pch.gc.ca/progs/ac-ca/progs/pda-cpb/reform/ statement_e.cfm

    Here is the reasoning:
    The purpose of the Copyright Act is to support creativity and innovation in the arts and culture. To design a new Act on the failed and draconian Digital Millenium Copyright Act of the United States of America, would be a disaster for Canadian culture, and innovation. Also our court system could become clogged with law abiding citizens who make personal use copies of their music, software, and movie collections for no personal financial gain. An implementation of the proposed changes to the Copyright Act would unleash another "Gun Registry boondoggle" onto the Canadian people - creating criminals out of law abiding citizens at the expense of Canadian taxpayers.

    Internet Service Providers like Sasktel should not be made to keep extensive client usage logs for possible future prosecution by various copyright-based industries. I don't want to pay for that system to be put into effect, and I don't think most people do. The phone companies are not forced by the government to record the content of phone conversations, only police can do that with a proper warrant. ISP logs are going to be equivalent to phone-taps, and that's a violation of my privacy. It's doing the job of the police, and is for the sole benefit of an industry basing its profits on an outdated business model that is no longer realistic for the Canadian government to protect.
    It is completely unfair to be paying a levy to artists organizations for purchasing blank CD media to make home-use private copies of legal CD music, and now to also be unable to legally copy the music I've paid for off of Digital Rights Managed CDs. If copying CD music is going to be illegal, why is the government collecting money from the product for an illegal activity? I'm satisfied that the current levy is helping to compensate artists from illegitimate copying, and no new law is required to prevent me and other people from making sensible backups of our legal music, software, and movie collections.

    Your representation in the House of Commons on this matter is greatly appreciated by me, and other supporters of personal liberty and innovation in the arts. I look forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely,
    my name

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  15. Fair Use Alive and Well by webzombie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fair use is alive and well in Canada.

    I pay for the RIGHT to copy what ever the fuck I want on to whatever media I've been taxed on.

    That IS my RIGHT and I could give a shit how many hairs they split. Sharing MY music with my GLOBAL friends is NO different then sahring with my friends down the street. The fact that they claim a physical product must change hands to be considered legitimate sharing is just splitting legal hairs. IMFO

    And according to these same laws, every school in Canada should be charged under the same act they want to charge file sharers with whenever they play "records" at their school dances! Oh yeah... get your check books out kids! No more sock hops! Fuckin' idiots!

    http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/copy_gd _protect-e.html#6

    Examples of infringement

    Infringement:

    - reprinting an article without the copyright owner's permission;

    - playing records at a dance without the copyright owners' permission;

    - giving a public performance of a play without permission;

    - photocopying articles for a class of students without permission; and

    - taping your favourite band at a music concert without permission.

    Not infringement:

    - quoting a few lines of the article in a research paper (fair dealing);

    - playing records at home;

    - giving a public performance of a play by Shakespeare (no copyright exists/public domain);

    - obtaining permission from the author and paying a fee to him or her (if requested) in order to use an article; and

    - borrowing a musical tape from a friend to copy onto a blank tape for private use (a royalty payment to the owner of the song rights has been paid when the blank tape was purchased).

    So FUCK THEM and my Karma! It shows how far behind these folks are... they still refer to music on tapes!

    1. Re:Fair Use Alive and Well by djmurdoch · · Score: 2, Informative

      That said, was that last section in boldface (copying your friend's tape) part of your current Copyright Law? Yes, it is. From the Copyright Act:
      80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of
      (a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,
      (b) a performer's performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or
      (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer's performance of a musical work, is embodied
      onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer's performance or the sound recording.

  16. Re:So what can Canadians do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You write to them, and CC the person who will be running against them

    Let them know that not only is this a big issue for you, but that the person they're campaigning against also knows it.

    CC'ing the heritage minister is a good idea as well.

  17. Re:Your getting what you deserve. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Yes, It's sarchasm."

    Main Entry: sar-chasm
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Canadian, mainly the Second City cuicuit
    Definition: A state of being where someone has used so much sarcasm for such an extended period of time, they can now only talk in a sarcastic mode. Ex: "I've fallen into a sarchasm, and I can't get up!"
    Plural: sarchasii
    Related words: sar-cough-agus

  18. RTFA, people by KillerBob · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA. It's a *bill*, not a *law*. It's nowhere near passing, it's being introduced to parliament for debate.

    Writing to your MP is a good thing at this point. But let me explain something about Canadian politics: just because a bill gets introduced to parliament does not mean that it actually passes into law. More than that, Parliament breaks up for the summer and any bills that are still on the dock at breakup usually end up getting forgotten for a while when Parliament returns to session and has to deal with important stuff again. On more than one occasion in the past, bills have been forgotten completely and never revisited after the summer break.

    No, I'm not worried. I'm interested in the outcome because I run a website which has been the target of CRIA's advances before, but even if they're ever able to launch a lawsuit, there's absolutely no way they'd win the way the laws currently stand. Even under the US laws they wouldn't win....

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    1. Re:RTFA, people by Chirs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep...however this bill has been in the making for a couple years now. The CRIA is pushing for it, it's part of WIPO ratification, etc.

      I doubt they're going to forget about it over the summer.

  19. Relax - It won't pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The odds aren't good of any bill making it into law if this late in a parliamentary cycle. If the government survives the summer (looking more likely than it did) then we've been promised an election 30 days after the Gomery enquiry reports, an event expected in late fall.

    When the writ is dropped and the house dissolves for an election, all bills die on the order paper.

    It's not particularly likely that a new bill--particularly a contentious new bill--will make it through thrid reading in the house and through the senate before that time.

  20. My only complaint by Mithrandir86 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the article: "The new legislation will contain rules that will make it illegal to hack or break into the digital locks often used to prevent the copying of movies and software -- although it will remain perfectly legal in Canada to copy a CD for personal use."

    That's the most offensive portion.

    If they're going to make it illegal to share files, they have to repeal those blank media taxes.

  21. Typical inflammatory response by kypper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mod parent -1 Flamebait.
    The US got quite a few of its brighter people back when Carter forgave the many who draft-dodged to Canada.

    It's not "crying and running away" to leave a country where 52% of the country voted for someone who stands against the environment, social change and encouraging peaceful, FAIR trade. The only crying anyone does is when their house is ransacked by the FBI without a warrant and family members are trucked to Guantanamo Bay to rot without a fair trial.

    When the majority of your country has fundamental belief differences, don't you believe it's time to move onto a place where you are accepted, respected and supported? Do you stay in a family that constantly berates and abuses you? I suppose... if you're an idiot.

    It takes far more conviction to choose your morals and your beliefs over your country. Blind patriotism to a country that holds all of your values in opposition is the saddest form of ignorance a person can possess

  22. Re:the laws need reform by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well the first problem is that I think your entire story is a big fat made up lie.

    But granting that this --really-- happened.

    You face a lot bigger problems than p2p. Walmart sells the same CD's that you do at a fraction of the cost and your big buddies give walmart a better price break than they do you. The price walmart charges for CD's is below the price you PAY wholesale for your CD's.

    Then there is amazon and other similar services. I buy most of my dvd's and crap like that online now. The product is delivered to my door and it is STILL cheaper than buying it in your store.

    But there's more. 12 years ago, there were maybe 40 tv stations, no real dvd's to watch, a lot less videogames, etc. I listened to music a couple hours a week more then than I do now.

    But there's still more. The music they put out these days is generic crap. It all sounds the same- most of the artists can't sing their own material in concert- and it doesn't have anything to say. I listen to new songs a couple times on the radio and have no interest in purchasingthem.

    But there's still more. The price of CD's is SO expensive compared to the physical cost to make them that it just pisses me off and I wouldn't buy a new CD even if I DID like the music. I'll record it off the radio, buy a used cd, buy it off "Allofmp3.com", etc.

    CD sales and profits are UP. WAY UP. So while your poor mythical store is suffering someone is selling a hell of a lot of CD's somewhere.

    Next time you might also add how you are supporting your old feeble grandmother and a young child. That's what politicians always do when they want to pass another onerous law.

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  23. Call your MP today. Don't just write. Call. by Bahumat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Put a voice to the words.

    Use http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/hou se/PostalCode.asp?lang=E&source=sm/this link to look up your MP by postal code, and then phone them.

    Be polite, be courteous, but be firm. State, be it via voice mail or directly, that you are in opposition to the upcoming copyright legislation, and hope that your MP will vote in opposition to it.

    (Whatever you do, don't state that "Although I didn't vote for your party...").

    Indicate to them whether or not this is an issue your future vote will hinge on; that will get their attention, guaranteed.

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  24. Can't have it both ways... by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting articles. The one thing that I found to be the most intersting is how this is going to work with the legislated media tax that is already in place.

    When it first came out I thought it was wrong, but the government caved to pressure (presumably from the recording industry). Basically if you by CD-R's or writable DVD's you pay a 'media tax' on top of the purchace price (it is included in the price you see, they used to break it down for the consumer). However this is a very stupid tax as the limits are retaded (tax size is based up media storage capacity!), as this also includes things like ipods, and the like. Are CD players, nope. Is general memory, nope. But if a device is basically a big memory stick or HD that plays music, it is taxed. The real evil part of this tax is that it ASSUMES that everyone is a Buccaneer (Yar!). You could buy CD-R's for nothing more than stright data, yet you would be paying a media tax as they assume that they will be used to copy music or something. I am not sure about USB drives, but it would not surprise me if they are taxed as well. Very evil stuff considering out legal system and the whole innocent before proven guilty etc...

    In a slightly unrealted note, this errosion has been happing in Canada for sometime now, under the guise or reasoning that the courts cannot handle the volume. Or that it is too expensive to try every case. An example of this is giving the powers to cities to write parking tickets, which most use maninly as a revune stream (not its intention I don't think). I got a parking ticket in Ottawa about a year ago (not where I live). The short version of the story is: I was never issued a ticket! I get a letter in the mail, saying I owe 40$ for parking tickets. I call the city and try to explain to the the issue, they do not care. Their response is that if I had a problem with it I COULD fight it in court. However, I would have to drive 250km on a work day in the middle of the week at least once, at the cost of at least 400$. Or I could pay the ticket. They warn me if I do not I will not be able to register my car when it comes up. So I can pay 400$ and fight it, or just pay the (and therefore pleading guilty of the offence) ticket of 40$. I paid the ticket, even though it was wrong. Most definitions I read would say this is stright up extortion, but whatever. Just thinking about this whole affair again boils my balls. Anyway enough of this rant. Back to regular programming.

    Civil liberities aside what is really interesting is the recording industry cannot have it both ways. If legislation is passed making downloading and copying music illegal, then they cannot justify having a "media tax" anymore as I see it. You cannot tax an illegal activity (as that legitimizes it). Thats like making the crack dealer, pay tax (or even more funny in Canada, making his crackheads pay GST on their spank). Why not just tax murder while your at it, 10$ a head I say! However once a tax is in place it is VERY hard to get rid of it (GST anyone!), I bet you anything they will what to have both worlds.

    Another of my favorite examples of this lunacy is I once heard a story about a Canadian that got caught selling cocain in Vietnam. The government there, sentanced her to death by firing squad, AND fined her 100,000$. The big joke eveyone was saying was "if I were her, I wouldn't pay the fine". The only differenace here is in Canada, IF they keep both the tax and pass the coyright bill it will be like eveytime you buy media, they convict you, and fine you, and if someday that ACTUALLY catch you doing it, they will try to convict you and fine and/or jail you. So in esasnce its like Canadians paying a mandatory tax on cocain, then if they are caught, fined. So in this case you cannot help but pay.

    Anyway my rant is now very long and makes little sense even to me anymore. I am not sure why I picked all the drug referances, only that they are illegal.

    Anyway thats my 2 cents (or twenty bucks as the case may be)

  25. Ugh, this is so frustrating... by jcdick1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is so frustrating to me to see so many governments getting the intent of copyright and patent completely backwards. The power of these two concepts to drive innovation is in their *expiration* and not in their original issue. The idea behind these concpets is that if the creator wants to continue his nice exclusive income, he darn well better come up with something new and cool before the old income dries up.

    Grrr...

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  26. Radio? by RoadkillBunny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How come radio is free to share music? How is downloading MP3's from internet any different? If the radio station pays royalities (I think they do) then I can pay royalities myself and start a P2P site. The revenue I generate from ads would go to the music companies and the users can download music for free! Would that be legal?

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  27. Nothing is good enough for the content industry by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the music industry had its way, we'd have to pay every time we hear a song. E.g., on the radio, every time we hum a song, and every time we even think of a song to ourselves.

    Heck, even DJs would be obligated to pay, as they shouldn't be allowed to hear the music for free.

    And double heck, anyone listening to you humming would be obligated to pay too.

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    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  28. Why The CRIA Suddenly Wants More by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a simple reason why the CRIA wants even tougher language now - Graham Henderson.

    When the CRIA first started pushing for copyright reform and DMCA-like provisions, Brian Robertson was at the helm. However, Brian left about a year ago, and Graham left his VP job at Universal to take over.

    I've known Graham casually since his Universal days, and since he became head of the CRIA I've heard him speak a few times...and let me tell you, he's crazy. Graham's main points are usually:

    - the CD is still the future of music
    - digital music is not important at all
    - Technology will be able to put the genie back into the bottle
    - Legislation will put the genie back into the bottle

    And my favourite Graham Henderson argument:

    - People pay $3 for a ringtone because it's a closed technology and you can't pirate music on it. Therefore, we need to lock down all digital music, and charge at least $3 a song, since that's what the ringtone business tells us it's worth.

    Now, anyone who knows anything about the (digital) music industry knows that every single one of those points is a complete load of crap. EVERY SINGLE ONE. He's delusional. But this is what he sticks to, because he really doesn't understand the business and where the industry is going.

    Get rid of Graham and put someone with some understanding in there, and things will get more reasonable.

    (identity withheld to protect the innoc...uhh, me.)

  29. stereotype by Master+Ben · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If a father or mother gets a notice from their ISP that they might be sued because of the activities of their teenaged son or daughter, you could be pretty well assured that that activity is going to change," said Jay Thomson of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers.

    As if it's just kids that do it.

  30. Re:Time to use that stationery you got for christm by davecb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My letter to the Hon. Jim Peterson, ny MP:

    Subject: Copying levy versus the proposed copyright bill

    I'm writing again about proposed changes in copyright law,
    strongly urged by our American neighbors and the record
    publishing industry.

    I was pleased to hear your opinion on the US-like
    misuse of protection measures, and wonder if we're
    going to follow our previous policy of using copying levies
    instead of prohibitions on copying CDs we legally
    own.

    The record industry seems to confuse this with
    indiscriminate file sharing, and is urging amendments
    that would make innocent copiers as liable as persons
    who illegally publish other's works on the internet.

    I urge you to support our successful policy of
    copying levies on CDs, DVDs and extend the
    levies to removable disks ("pen drives") and other
    iPod-like devices), instead of reducing the
    consumer's right to copy their own property under
    the copyright act.

    --dave

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    davecb@spamcop.net
  31. Re:Canadian Recording Industry, eh? by leoxx · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Barenaked Ladies, Blue Rodeo, The Canadian Brass, The Crash Test Dummies, Moe Koffman, Natalie MacMaster, Sarah McLachlan, Nickelback, Prairie Oyster Band, Oscar Peterson, Rush, Paul Shaffer, Stoppin Tom Conners, The Band, The Sam Roberts Band, The Guess Who, Tragically Hip, Holly Cole, The Cowboy Junkies, Glenn Gould, kd lang, Daniel Lanois, Ashley MacIsaac, Joni Mitchell, Anne Murray, Our Lady Peace, Jon Kimura Parker, The Tea Party, Shania Twain, Neil Young, Hot Hot Heat, Be Good Tanyas, Jane Sibbery, Mary Margaret O'Hara, The Inbreds, Diana Krall, Broken Social Scene, Bran Van 3000, Michael Bublé, Paul Anka, Buck 65, Leonard Cohen, David Foster, Nelly Furtado, Great Big Sea, Choclair, Ben Heppner, The Headstones, Huevos Rancheros, Gordon Lightfoot, Maestro Fresh Wes, Matthew Good Band, Men Without Hats, Moxy Fruvous, The New Pornographers, The Nylons, Our Lady Peace, Platinum Blonde, Prozzak, Dayglo Abortions, Rankin Family, Robbie Robertson, Stan Rogers, Ron Sexsmith, Skinny Puppy, Sloan, Spirit of the West, Kinnie Starr, Superfriendz, Sum 41, Tegan and Sara, Roch Voisine, among many others.

  32. Re:the laws need reform by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Have any of you guys at any part of the record business considered that you're selling crap. You know, I can pick any year from about 1925 onward and have damn fine music. Jazz, blues, classical, big band, and later swing and rock-and-roll, up into experimental rock, even some decent easy listening, grand hard rock, heavy metal, punk and new wave.

    And then you guys started hawking hair metal bands, boy bands, crappy Christian rock (have you actually listend to that garbage), teeny-bopper singers who probably made more money with their K-mart clothing lines than on singles, and the final abuse of a second generation of boy bands and female "stars" so f**king bad that their thin voices had to be run through masses of digital processing (not to mention layers of backing vocals and build up the crap voice).

    Jonie Mitchel was right when she said that record executives were always crooks, but at least they used to be crooks who liked music. CDs were priced beyond all reason, and the record companies reaped vast rewards from the vast supply of one-off crap artists who they didn't have to spend much time grooming and could drop as quick as could be for the next set of talentless beautiful people who had big t*ts or muscular physiques. As the late, great George Harrison said of the Spice Girls (and it applies to the likes of Brittney Spears), they were just as good with the sound turned off.

    So you know what, the whole lot of you, from the small record stores to the big mega-giant record companies are reaping the rewards. Gazillions were made, artists were ripped off (look at Levon Helm, one of the greatest vocalists in rock history, suing Robbie Robertson and the Band's record company because the all conspired to screw everyone else in the Band, or Bo Diddley who recorded some of the best music ever put to vinyl). What the whole record industry deserves is to have its decades of abuse of consumers and artists put out in the open, and when it pays for its sins, then it can start talking about how it's been abused.

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  33. Sample letter: by visgoth · · Score: 2
    Dear Asshole,

    I'm tired of voting for people who are supposed to be my representative in the House of Commons, yet end up doing whatever the fuck they please.

    Therefore, you will do as I say, or I will come by your house (which, in fact, is mine, as my taxes likely paid for a good portion of the bloody thing) and proceed to kick your dog, set fire to your mailbox, and generally dispense great misery unto you and yours.

    Sincerely,

    Someone who's tired of self serving, tow the party line, weenie politicians.

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    My patience is infinite, my time is not.
  34. Re:Time to use that stationery you got for christm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And what would you write?

    Dear Mr. Big-Politics-Guy
    I really like getting stuff for free. Can we please keep doing that?


    How about:

    "Dear Mr. Big-Politics-Guy

    I really like getting to speak and act freely. Can we please keep doing that?"

    I don't care about "free music". I wish all the file sharers would get caught, so we can focus on the real issue: free speech.

    Copyright monopolies take away my right to create a related product, just because I didn't invent the first model. They stiffle innovation as much as they reward it, by preventing creators from building on previous knowledge and work. It's hard to make progress when you're forced to reinvent the wheel all the time.

    Let's say I want to scan in a map of my neighhourhood, and cross reference it with the ads in the phone book, so that I can tell at a glance what's nearby. That's illegal, because it requires scanning in a copyrighted map, and copyrighted ads. Doing in manually is legal, because humans aren't considered copying devices, but computers are. So, copyright law is in the way here, as it is in many cases.

    Did you ever buy a poster, but found it too big for the frame? Pause before you cut it to make it fit; that might infringe the moral rights of the author! The copyright act states that putting a picture in a new frame is explictly legal;but any more drastic changes to your own poster may be illegal! The Eaton's centre was sued for moving pieces of a mobile that were about to fall on it's customer's heads, because the artist didn't like how the safe version looked. Copyright means you don't have all the rights to the property you've bought outright.

    Ever see a statue in bronze, and think it would look better in gold? Don't try to comission a better version; that would be illegal under copyright law! You need to get the copyright holder to permit you do make your own statues; after all, they made one, first.

    Don't try to write down the plot to your dreams after watching late night TV; you see, someone owns the rights to talk about those characters. You don't get free speech rights to other people's ideas; you don't get re-cast anyone's previous works in new and interesting ways, because that kind of incremental innovation is illegal.

    But don't worry: copyrights expire. In fact, my copyright to this message will probably expire in just under a century, if I live my grandfather's age. Then again, Canada is less than 150 years old as a country; so that's not saying much.

    Some people want copyrights never to expire. I guess they want the guy who owns the circle to be able to forbid everyone else from building anything with wheels; and the guy who owns the square from preventing anyone from building anything like a building or a house.

    Then again, some of these ideas fall under "Industrial Design" in Canada: but the distinction is nebulous at best.

    If I make 20 ornate goblets, they're protected for 100 years under the Copyright Act. If I make another 40, the same 20 goblets suddenly fall under the Industrial Design act, and are only protected for 10 years. If it's the same "innovation", then why add 90 years of monopoly protection in the one case, but not in the other?

    So, yes, some of us want copyrights to be restricted because of important reasons like freedom of speech and creative expression. I don't give a damn about free music; I don't download it, because it's illegal.

    I do want to be able to create derivative works, and improve upon our designs at a rate much faster than one change every century. I don't think that's such an unfair thing to ask for.
    --
    AC

  35. Re:End a tax? In Canada? BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!! by Rhipf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just to clarify a point for you. There was a resent court decision that now makes it legal to own a non-Canadian satelite system. In fact on a recent trip to Winnipeg I actually saw a sign on the roadside advertising DirecTV hookups.

  36. Here's my letter to my MP by wgadmin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dear Hon. MP:

    I am deeply concerned about the copyright legislation your government intends to introduce. It's all over the Internet. I find it interesting that the international community is also discussing the consequences of this Canadian bill. Please see this link, for a thorough discussion:

    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/09/12 3234&tid=123&tid=141&tid=97&tid=155

    As far as most voting individuals are concerned, the entire entertainment industry (especially the movie and music divisions) is, pure and simple, an institution of greed. They grossly overestimate their total contribution to society. They especially overestimate the value of their products. And, what's worse, they gravely underestimate, and consequently insult, the intelligence of their consumers.

    As such, I have absolutely no intention of increasing neither their economic subsidy nor political support. And I am not at all interested in seeing this legislation go forward. It's bad enough that every time my company purchases a package of blank CDs or DVDs, your government assumes I intent to use them to pirate movies and music, and I am subsequently taxed for this blanket misconception. Just maybe we are using this media to archive the one and only asset which keeps my company in business -- that is to say, DATA. Our data. Which has, to the astonishment of the entertainment industry, nothing to do with them.

    In closing, I ask you this: if this legislation passes, will your government repeal the blank CD/DVD tax? I am betting that you will not.

    Please, I ask you to consider defeating this legislation. There are so many more important problems which deserve your immediate and full attention. The entertainment industry, regardless of the size and wealth of its many powerful lobbies, simply shouldn't rank in comparison.

    Thank you very much for your attention,
    --

  37. A fine point on it by jhantin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slagging the incumbent administration is fine, indeed, the American Way. Slagging the nation itself, on the other hand, is a sure way to draw hostility.

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    ...when you're writing a game...tweak the difficulty of "Easy" to something [your mother] can cope with. -- onion2k