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Kutaragi Thumbs Nose At Other Consoles
Ken Kutaragi thinks very highly of the PS3. So much so, that he is once again badmouthing his competitors in the press. From the article: "This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why [Xbox 360] became like that". And by "that", he probably means crappy. I'm just guessing.
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Summary : company slags rivals.
The actual article is devoid of any real news.
The article is flaimbait, ( it's written in that tone too) to stir up game console discussion before each is released.
That guy goes on about how you can compare the PS3 to the XBOX 360 on specs, and how we should ahve seen the E3 presentation, but...didnt they had to do those with computer hardware cause the real hardware is still not finished?
These people should really shut up and start badmouthing themselves once they actually have some real product to gloat about...
From the article: "We're not sure we completely understand what he's on about, in all honesty, but it's clear that the emphasis is on calculators." No?! Really, they use math in computer games?! WOW this must be the REAL thing! What a revolution this will be!
"I hate temporal mechanics." -- Miles O'Brien, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
...just keep hyping yours and putting others down, that way you'll get press and people start believing you.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
To be fair, I don't think any of the next gen consoles are going to use dedicated sound processors. Maybe the Revolution, but I'm pretty sure the 360 isn't.
All he's trying to do is delay your decision so insted of 'must have xbox in september' you say 'I'm going to wait for the PS3 to come out too, and then decide which one to get'.
If he can do that, he's done his job...
And by what I've been hearing people say, he's suceeded. If there is a shadow of doubt come xbox's launch in your mind, he's done what he needs to do.
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And this:
But what did they get to see? I didn't go to E3, but from what I've read it seems Sony mostly showed pre-rendered footage.Ken comes off as a guy who cares about winning and is ready to say anything to help make that happen. What's not to like about that? Speaking for myself, an American, I think winning is more fun than just about anything not required for continuation of the human race.
I'm an Xbox fan. I have all three consoles, but I feed more games to my Xbox than the other two consoles combined. I like the games that come out, I like the graphics and I like (love) the sounds (I bought my first DVD player way back when to get Dolby Digital; letterboxed movies were a secondary consideration). I went so far as to wait for its Xbox release before playing the latest GTA game - I've had to fight off some withdrawal-type symptoms, but I made it.
All the above being true, I want to hear MORE Xbox 360 slams from Mr. Kutaragi. He makes me smile...and not in an ironic, "oh look at the silly monkey" way. No, he entertains me the same way one of the aforementioned Xbox-playing sports stars does when he goes crazy and guarantees a win or puts down an opposing team. It's just plain fun.
Even his incoherent ramblings about the PS3 and Cell are a blast. I mean, come on: "However, if you look closely, the difference between things that are being calculated and things that are simply being changed and moved is clear." I, for one, will be less than a foot from my TV screen when I eventually hook up a PS3 just to see the amazing differences between motion capture and the magical Cell real-time calculations. I LOVE IT!
Ken, you're out of your mind and I can't get enough. Go, man, go!
PS- I get similar tingles when one of the Nintendo nuts goes on and on about their magical gameplay. You know, because giving Mario a water cannon revolutionized (apologies) gaming. :)
His entire sales pitch is to show off pre-rendered movies, on the basis that the real game might look nothing like this but might feature this is a rendered cut scene. And slag off the opposition rather than extolling the (as yet non-existant) qualities of your own (as yet non-existant) hardware.
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Christ last time I heard that line of arguments was in a school playground (before they allowed guns
J Allard (and Nintendos equiv) has been much more mature, raising the profile of thier own machines. Selling their machines, not slagging off competitors
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The whole next-gen console war is so overblown. Every company takes themselves so seriously and resorts to insulting each other like a group of jealous seventh grade girls fighting over boy band members. Somehow, I get the feeling that these consoles are not going to revolutionize the living room and provide a fully synergistic entertainment experience like they all claim to be doing. I guess the console market has always been a bit juvenile (recall the Genesis' "blast processing" claims). I guess since I am much older now, I see these squabbles as mere publicity stunts.
MS or Nintendo didn't have actual hardware at their demos, so surely the comment applies to all 3?
Microsoft uses its cash reserves to keep the console going in case of bad sales?
Which, I understand, is kind of their job. But why can't they praise themselves - and provide actual evidence to justify that praise - instead?
What it comes off like is they're running scared. It feels like they've got nothing but pre-rendered stuff and a past track-record of overpromising and underdelivering and now they keep on just saying shit like "ours is sooooooo much better. Reeeeeeealllly better. Soooooooo. Muuuuuuuuch. Beeeeeeeeeter!" and waving their hands around nonsense numbers and specs.
Personally, this amount of hot air and handwaving with *zero* real data to back it up at this point is making me think there are some real problems with the PS3 that they're hoping they can hype over.
Of course, everyone's hyping their stuff - but, in the case of the original XBox, I really feel that they lived up to what they promised and delivered a damn fine system - so (ironic, isn't it?) I guess I trust them a little more than Sony who lied their asses off, didn't live up to what they promised, even if they did deliver a nice console.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
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WBT1 - Yo homes, for real!
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Pigs! Pigs, I say, slopping at the trough that is pop culture! I will buy the system with the gaming soul. The other do can do whatever they please over there.
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I'd be curious to know how the xbox 360 could be aiming for the ps2 when the xbox was suprior in terms of performance and graphics (thats not a stab at sony. The xbox came out quite a lot later. It would be suprising if it wasn't)
But of course remember, the playstation 3 will have REALISTIC EMOTIONS! using it's emotion engine and be able to RENDER TOY STORY IN REAL TIME! and be a SUPER COMPUTER!
Wait.. that was the PS2 wasn't it?
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That's what the hype claims. Problem is, all of that means you need to get more data into and out off the CPU, and that means less bandwidth for other stuff.
And I have yet to see a CPU that can handle sound processing better than a DSP. That's what they are for.
Ken Kutaragi is just a Sony fanboy and therefore must be ignored like any console specific fanboy on any internet forum.
Here's one for you.
http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_hu ddy_ati/1.html
Interview with Richard Huddy of ATI. In a nutshell he basically says that CPU power of the PS3 will face a bottle neck with it's GPU. Pretty interesting
This time around, they don't have the architecture and we do, so they have to knock it and say it isn't worthwhile. But in the future, they'll market themselves out of this corner, claiming that they've cracked how to do it best. But RSX isn't unified, and this is why I think PS3 will almost certainly be slower and less powerful.
Not all of its cores are full blown processors - many are just glorified vector units. That doesn't mean it'll perform poorly, but you should not expect the performance multiple you would from, say, a 5-cored Athlon 64 - and there's still a finite limit on its resources.
The simple fact of the matter is that a good DSP handles sound very well, and wouldn't add much to the cost. They're certainly not the only way to go, but just because a system uses a cell processor doesn't mean that you won't ever need another, specialized processor in the system.
There has already been comments on Cell-Core vs Cell-SPE so I'll be brief.
The problem (and this is a very real problem for all processors, not just Cell or consoles) is getting data into and out of the processor in a timely fasion. If a processor (core/SPE/whatever) doesn't have input data or if it's unable to send data out of the chip then it stalls. If it stalls then that processor part can't get any work done until this block is resolved. This is why it's important to manage input and output of the CPU in order to keep the processor working as much as possible.
Besides this little misunderstanding you can't have "2 running the data", a processor (of any kind) doesn't work that way. The processor itself loads data from memory as part of the operations it executes. So each of them "runs their data" on their own just fine.
And the Cell doesn't have 5 of anything, it has one core and 8 SPE (vector units). Finally if you have 3 actions (data, sound, graphics) and 5 cores to execute them on that gives you 243 different combinations. (And this is counting many duplicates as sound-sound-gfx is calculated separately from sound-gfx-sound.) In any case it's pretty far from an infinate amount of combinations.
"Hannibal" over at ArsTechnica has some great no-nonsense articles (1 and 2) on both the Cell and the X360. I recommend that you read them as he tends to dispell the hype and misunderstandings quite well.
'guns blazing?'
This is Nintendo...
More like: 'With a giant bag of fairy dust to sprinkle on all the good boys and girls in rainbow land.'
No reason to lie.